One of the WORST consequences of Clinton's impeachment

[rhiannon55]

is that it cheapened the very idea of impeachment and has made impeachment seem like a political trick rather than a remedy for HIGH CRIMES AND MISDEMEANORS. Will * have to kill someone with his bare hands and eat the entrails on the south lawn of the WH before impeachment will be put back on the table?

[groovedaddy]

1. Hey, Dick shot someone in the face

and nothing happened.

[Orrex]

11. Heh-heh. You said "Dick." And "face."

I'm sure that if VP Gore had blasted a friend in the face, the press would have been just as deferential to him re: his failure to report it to the police in a timely manner, etc...

[ClassWarrior]

2. Nope. We just have to re-re-educate people and our reps.

Visualize it. And...

Never Give Up.

[rhiannon55]

18. Maybe implementing this idea would help us (and Americans, in general) visualize it

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x1293900

[baldguy]

3. That's the way the GOP used it - as political revenge against Clinton

for the high crime of beating their guy twice in a fair & free election.

[Tom Joad]

4. He would have to kill a White person, because it seems congress

is not so interested in the fact that nearly ONE MILLION Iraqis have died in Bush's genocidal war.

[trof]

5. Newt's famous quote: "We did it because we COULD."

[Kagemusha]

6. Pretty much, yes.

I'm sad to say it, but re: your second sentence, pretty much, yes.

[cui bono]

7. This might do the trick...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x6132

[Virginia Dare]

14. Exactly, they need to X Cheney...

that would solve most of our problems, at least the most insidious ones.

[cui bono]

15. LOL. I was talking about the video at the link I posted, but that works too.

I ran across the pic while sorting files on my computer and felt it was even more appropriate than the impeach bush pic I had there before.

[Warpy]

8. I'm convinced they did it to DISGRACE THE PROCESS

because, as we know, Clinton was a fiscal conservative who had handed them many of the things they wanted, from NAFTA and GATT through the horror of a welfare reform bill. Obviously, they weren't trying to rid themselves of an ally.

I think they knew exactly what they were doing when they tried to impeach him over such a tissue of lies. Yes, it was an obvious political witch hunt and yes, it should never have been allowed to proceed.

However, it has provided excellent cover for the treasonous bastards in control now. Because the process of impeachment, itself, got such a bad rap, Congress is loath to repeat it.

It was their plan all along, IMO.

[rhiannon55]

9. In a roundabout way, this is another example

of republicans "framing" the debate, e.g., WE used impeachment for bullshit political reasons, so of course, Democrats MUST want to do it for bullshit political reasons as well.

:eyes:

[Totally Committed]

10. I seriously think they Republicans did that on purpose.

They found the most non-senseical thing to impeach a President on, and they beat us over the head with it for two years, rendering the next half-dozen Presidents (which they planned on being all Republicans) Impeachment-proof.

They counted on it taking at least that long for America to get the bad taste out of their mouths.

That having been said.... The next Democratic POTUS will not be given this sort of "off-the-table" treatment, no matter how soon he or she is elected. Trust me.

TC

[Virginia Dare]

13. In that case, maybe a Hillary Clinton win would be a good thing..

what could they possibly dredge up on her that hasn't already been spun a gazillion times before.

[cui bono]

17. Hm... I wonder what they will try on the next Dem president?

At that point I think they will be so desperate I shudder to think what they'll do.

:scared:

[Totally Committed]

20. I can't go there, with all due respect....

The thought of her as our nominee and/or our POTUS is a thought too black to bear.

We need a TRUE Left-Wing Liberal/Progressive in '08, or this won't be the Democratic Party I grew up wanting it to be any longer.

TC

[rhiannon55]

21. "...the Democratic Party I grew up wanting it to be..."

Sigh. Kind of like "the America I grew up wanting it to be..."

Sometimes our ideals out-pace reality.

[Totally Committed]

23. Isn't that the truth?

I grew up thinking that all I had to do was work hard for the Dems, give as much as I could, and everything they told me would come to pass.

Here we are 45+ yrs. later and there is still no racial or sexual equality. Marriage is still only okay between a man and a woman. Children are still not educated, nurtured, and wanted equally. We are still at war. Choice is disappearing, along with the seperation of Church and State. The gulf between the rich and the poor is widening. We are building walls and digging ditches at our southern border.

As if that were not enough, I still have awful dreams about Katrina, and those poor, desperate people.

And, is this Party going compassionately and humanistically to the Left in response? NO. It is triangulating to the Right to please the corporations and appease the Republicans.

This really isn't the Party I thought it would be.

TC

[Virginia Dare]

24. We certainly are not where we should be..

in terms of equality, but to say that things are no different than they were 45 years ago is simply incorrect in my opinion. We've made strides, however slowly. The Reagan years definitely set us back in terms of race relations, and the Roberts court is certainly looking like it will be troubling to say the least.

Katrina can't be pinned fairly on the Democratic party, that falls squarely in the putrid lap of George W. Bush and his sycophants in Congress, but the Democrats need to make sure that it doesn't happen again, and that we can somehow begin to make things right again in New Orleans.

[Virginia Dare]

22. Unfortunately, a true left wing/progressive can't win the POTUS..

not next year anyway. Look how they eviscerated Howard Dean.

Hell there are places right her in my state where a good number of people wouldn't vote for Hillary because she's a woman, or Obama because he's black. We can keep dreaming though. :(

[Virginia Dare]

12. That's exactly right....

impeaching Clinton was revenge for impeaching Nixon, so now impeaching Bushy II will look like revenge for impeaching Clinton, and so on and so on....It just becomes ever more clear what a filthy piece of crap Newt Gingrich really was.

[sandnsea]

16. Hyde said it was payback,

http://rawstory.com/exclusives/byrne/clinton_impeachment_hyde_abc_yanks_422.htm

It never got much attention, ABC strikes again.

[emulatorloo]

19. Kick and Rec n/t

[LittleClarkie]

25. Pretty much

and exactly.

I started a thread yesterday wondering something similar.