Clinton presents plan to end Iraq war (within 60 days of taking office)

[babylonsister]

:eyes: How 'bout sooner than that, just in case you don't take office?:eyes:

http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/clinton-presents-plan-to-end-iraq-war-2007-07-10.html

Clinton presents plan to end Iraq war
By Klaus Marre
July 10, 2007

Democratic presidential front-runner Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (N.Y.) Tuesday unveiled her plan to bring U.S. troops home from Iraq within 60 days of taking office.

Clinton wants President Bush to end the war, but has said she would bring the troops home if the current administration fails to act.

“The right strategy before the surge and post-escalation is the same: Start bringing home America’s troops now,” Clinton said in Iowa. “We have heard for years now that as the Iraqis stand up, our troops will stand down. Every year, we hear about how next year they may start coming home. Now we are hearing a new version of that yet again from the president as he has more troops in Iraq than ever and the Iraqi government is more fractured and ineffective than ever.”


Clinton promised to initiate phased redeployment as soon as she takes office. However, as part of her plan, specialized forces would remain to fight terrorists.

With the absence of U.S. troops, the senator hopes to stabilize the country by focusing on aid efforts that put money in the hands of the Iraqi people.

In addition, Clinton plans to bring together U.S. allies, global powers and Iraq’s neighbors to stabilize the country.

[whistle]

1. Not acceptable, Hillary needs to work on ending the war now

[rinsd]

Clinton and Byrd are seeking to deauthorize the war.

[movonne]

2. I was just about to write the same thing....

[KoKo]

3. I wish her luck with what she says...but we were promised that with Vietnam

and the war went on and on. Time to stop it is now!

[IndianaGreen]

4. 60 days? April 2009, for a phased (however long) withdrawal?

What's wrong with ordering the troops home right after she takes the oath of office? Oh, I see... that wouldn't jive with what she said about keeping troops and bases in Iraq to protect the oil, fight Al-Qaeda, and protect Israel.

How is Hillary's plan different from Nixon's "peace with honour?"

[rinsd]

6. Read the article again

"Clinton promised to initiate phased redeployment as soon as she takes office"

[renaissanceguy]

9. This is much better than

the original reports of her doing this in her *second* term.


http://www.cafepress.com/liberalissues/454063

[rinsd]

11. Her position on this is changing for the better (nt)

[IndianaGreen]

17. Hillary is bullshitting us again. In the next sentence she talks of a residual force, an occupation

Like Bush, Hillary fails to notice that the only reason there is an Al-Qaeda in Iraq is because we invaded that country. We are in Iraq because of the oil and Israel, according to Hillary, which is probably the most truthful statement she has ever made!

The United States’ security would be undermined if parts of Iraq turned into a failed state that serves as a petri dish for insurgents and Al Qaeda. It is right in the heart of the oil region. It is directly in opposition to our interests, to the interests of regimes, to Israel’s interests.

-- Hillary Clinton

Published on Thursday, March 15, 2007 by the New York Times

If Elected... Clinton Says Some G.I.’s in Iraq Would Remain

by Michael R. Gordon and Patrick Healy

WASHINGTON — Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton foresees a “remaining military as well as political mission” in Iraq, and says that if elected president, she would keep a reduced military force there to fight Al Qaeda, deter Iranian aggression, protect the Kurds and possibly support the Iraqi military.

In a half-hour interview on Tuesday in her Senate office, Mrs. Clinton said the scaled-down American military force that she would maintain would stay off the streets in Baghdad and would no longer try to protect Iraqis from sectarian violence — even if it descended into ethnic cleansing.

In outlining how she would handle Iraq as commander in chief, Mrs. Clinton articulated a more nuanced position than the one she has provided at her campaign events, where she has backed the goal of “bringing the troops home.”

She said in the interview that there were “remaining vital national security interests in Iraq” that would require a continuing deployment of American troops.

The United States’ security would be undermined if parts of Iraq turned into a failed state “that serves as a petri dish for insurgents and Al Qaeda,” she said. “It is right in the heart of the oil region,” she said. “It is directly in opposition to our interests, to the interests of regimes, to Israel’s interests.”

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines07/0315-02.htm

[Faryn Balyncd]

20. HRC's plan is a __ PLAN __ FOR __ PERMANENT __ OCCUPATION _ disguised as a plan for ending the war!!

Those who control the language control society.

"... the whole aim of Newspeak is to narrow the range of thought. In the end we shall make thoughtcrime literally impossible, because there will be no words in which to express it.. ."

George Orwell's inquisitor "O'Brien"

[rinsd]

23. Because her position hasn't evolved on this at all.

:eyes:

[Faryn Balyncd]

24. Correct.. what HRC & the Lugar Republicans are "coming around" to is the ORIGINAL NEOCON GOAL of ...

a PERMANENT U.S. military presence in Iraq ......


"Ending the surge" by "drawing down" the number of troops to a somewhat smaller "residual" force is now being spun by the corporate media as "withdrawal".......

But this accepts the immoral and illegal neocon goal of pursuing these objectives with military force despite the fact that these objectives meet NO just war criteria, and the ostensible reason for the original invasion was false.

We are now seeing a coalescing of the Democratic and Republican antiwar factions into a consensus that accepts the original neocon premise that the U.S. has the right to occupy the middle east with a "residual" (permanent) force.

We must not allow this perverse spin on reality and morality to prevail.

[jillan]

5. I hope there is more to her plan than that -n/t

[Lerkfish]

7. ok, but this seems to imply its quid pro quo thing: does she mean she won't

fight for this if she's not elected?

almost sounds like extortion: vote for me or the troops don't come home.

I'm really HOPING that's not how she means it.

[rinsd]

8. Its the power of the Presidency vs the power of a Jr. Senator.

She has co-sponsored a bill with Robert Byrd seeking to deauthorize the war.

And she did vote against the last funding measure under pressure from the base.

[welshTerrier2]

10. "specialized forces would remain" ?????????

i assume she means, of course, that "specialized forces would remain" only if requested by the sovereign Iraqi government.

otherwise, she would be, how should I say, an invader. is that, you know, in keeping with international law?

[babylonsister]

12. Someone has to man the green zone and the new embassy. nt

[More Than A Feeling]

14. and those permanent bases, no doubt!

[IndianaGreen]

16. It's what Hillary told NY Times, a residual force to protect the oil and Israel

and to fight Al-Qaeda, never mind that the reason Al-Qaeda is in Iraq in the first place is because we invaded that country.

Hillary = more occupation of Iraq, more occupation of Palestine, status quo in the Middle East.

[madrchsod]

13. to late....way to late

[MasonJar]

15. How refreshing...a politician who listens to the people. Contrast that with

the "Commander guy," who unfortunately is also "the Decider."

[IndianaGreen]

18. Hillary is bullshitting, just as Bush does. Hillary still believes in the war!

The United States’ security would be undermined if parts of Iraq turned into a failed state that serves as a petri dish for insurgents and Al Qaeda. It is right in the heart of the oil region. It is directly in opposition to our interests, to the interests of regimes, to Israel’s interests.

-- Hillary Clinton

Published on Thursday, March 15, 2007 by the New York Times

If Elected... Clinton Says Some G.I.’s in Iraq Would Remain

by Michael R. Gordon and Patrick Healy

WASHINGTON — Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton foresees a “remaining military as well as political mission” in Iraq, and says that if elected president, she would keep a reduced military force there to fight Al Qaeda, deter Iranian aggression, protect the Kurds and possibly support the Iraqi military.

In a half-hour interview on Tuesday in her Senate office, Mrs. Clinton said the scaled-down American military force that she would maintain would stay off the streets in Baghdad and would no longer try to protect Iraqis from sectarian violence — even if it descended into ethnic cleansing.

In outlining how she would handle Iraq as commander in chief, Mrs. Clinton articulated a more nuanced position than the one she has provided at her campaign events, where she has backed the goal of “bringing the troops home.”

She said in the interview that there were “remaining vital national security interests in Iraq” that would require a continuing deployment of American troops.

The United States’ security would be undermined if parts of Iraq turned into a failed state “that serves as a petri dish for insurgents and Al Qaeda,” she said. “It is right in the heart of the oil region,” she said. “It is directly in opposition to our interests, to the interests of regimes, to Israel’s interests.”

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines07/0315-02.htm

[rainy]

19. She is full of s#@t. She once said we would be in Iraq for a long time.

She is a fake politician who drifts with the wind. Same old same old. We need some passionate heroic leaders now. The time is at hand for change. We are in the information age and old way are falling to the wayside and new insightful leaders will begin to emerge. (Gore)

[here_is_to_hope]

21. Seriously, does she know that the occupation will

still be in place if/when she is sworn?
Hmmm...I am hoping for a little more now, not in 2009 thanks.

[bvar22]

22. Typical Triangulation.

Hillary will bring some troops home at some time in the future if conditions permit.
Some troops will stay in Iraq and continue the WAR.

Hillary will End the War by Continuing the War!

Pure, 100%, DLC, Triangulating WEASEL SHIT!!!