Hillary, Opinion Research Corp & CNN

[Indy_Dem_Defender]

A major fundraiser for Bill and Hillary Clinton is in a position to possibly influence the outcome of the democratic primary election by owning the company that is in partnership with CNN on conducting polls.

Time line

1995 Fortune Magazine- Article about Vinod Gupta's company American Business Information
http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/1995/02/06/201835/index.htm

December 2006 Reuters - InfoUSA (formerly ABI) completes Acquisition of Opinion Research Corporation
http://today.reuters.com/news/articleinvesting.aspx?view=PR&symbol=IUSA.O&storyID=230639+04-Dec-2006+BW

January 2007 Reuters - CNN and Opinion Research Announce Formal Polling Partnership
http://today.reuters.com/news/articleinvesting.aspx?view=PR&symbol=IUSA&storyID=118732+12-Jan-2007+BW&type=qcna

May 2007 New York Times - Suit Sheds Light on Clintons' Ties to a Benefactor.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/26/us/politics/26clinton.html?ex=1337832000&en=2c41543c11f9b7da&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss

Finally please check out the bar graph along with paragraph directly below it on lower right corner of CNN's Election center page
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008

I'm not pointing in any fingers here, but this is the kind of information that should rightfully raise some eyebrows.

[Diane R]

1. Now I know why she leads in the polls, even though I don't know anyone who wants to vote for her.

[Totally Committed]

14. It's yet another instance of the corporate media endeavoring to "choose" our candidate for us

... or, should I say, shove her down our throats?

I dunno, it all stinks. She has a "consultant" to her campaign who is an employee of CNN (Carville), and now this. "Unfair advantage" may be understaing the problem.

TC

[bvar22]

19. Hillary has more than one campaigner on CNN.

Robert Zimmerman (Cobra eyed slimeball) openly endorses Hillary, and yet he is featured as the CNN expert "Democratic Strategist" to provide the counterpoint to the Republican Party spokesperson......only he doesn't provide the "Democratic" counterpoint, he provides the "Hillary Campaign" talking points.

Robert Zimmerman should have been FIRED from CNN as soon as he endorsed Hillary, or at least be billed as a "Clinton spokesperson"...NOT a "Democratic Party strategist".
Man, Hillary has a scary BIG CORPO machine pushing her on us.

[wyldwolf]

15. how about these people?

[Name removed]

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[Diane R]

2. duplicate

[peacebird]

3. hmmmm........

:popcorn:

gotta go feed the chickens, but i'll be back to check on this thread..... could get interesting!

(fwiw - i agree with response #1)

[JTFrog]

4. My eyebrows are and have been

raised.

:popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:

I'm sure the cavalry will be in soon to tell us what we really think and how it really is.

[wyldwolf]

5. All ya got is a conspiracy theory.

Let's just ASSUME for the sake of argument that this influences the CNN poll. No evidence to support it, but we'll assume it for now. What about the other polls that state the same thing???

CNN is NOT the most influential poll. Pew, Gallup, NBC, CBS, ABC, Rasmussen, FOX News, Newsweek, etc., etc., don't follow CNN's lead. They arrive at their poll numbers independent of CNN.

So, nice try. All ya got is a conspiracy theory.

[Indy_Dem_Defender]

28. All ya got is a conspiracy theory

Ok :sarcasm:

That's usually the response the right wing gives to anyone on the left when they question anything the Bush Administration has done.

Notice I said, POSSIBLY in my post, I didn't accuse anyone of doing anything wrong, Your obviously a Clinton supporter so your going to go to great lengths to defend your candidate. If you saw this information about another candidate would you not have a raised eyebrow? Exactly I thought so, you would.

My motivation to post this info, is simply when the primaries are finished and the democratic presidential nominee is chosen is there anyone on this board who wants the possibility that the candidate got the nod on artificially inflated poll numbers? This goes for any candidate, if their base is estimated to higher then it actually is, isn't that just handing a victory to the republican candidate.

I simply haven't seen with my own two eyes that large of a base support for Hillary that is indicated by polls. For the past 5 months I've been going grassroots volunteering for the Obama campaign at various events that draw in the democratic demographic of voters. I'm sure about now all the Hillary supporters who are reading this will discredit anything written beyond this sentence. That's ok, I don't care I'm not writing a hit piece against her, I'm just writing what I've experience and why I have a raise eyebrow.

The events I've attended have been centered around causes or groups like LGBT, Anti-war/peace, Families and Hispanics in the Indianapolis area. Contrary to popular belief Indiana isn't a red state it's purple, Last year Indiana picked up a couple of house seats for the democrats in the election that help win back the control of the house. More to the point the City of Indianapolis is blue, we have a democrat as mayor, a African American who is a democrat as sheriff, and most of the city is apart of the only congressional district in the US that has a majority of the population being white being represented by a democrat who is african american. Kind of blows the stereotype of the whole state of Indiana being associated with the KKK due to it's past history and the cry Indiana lacks diversity. Any questions regarding a lack of democrats in Indiana should be answered.

At these events I've interacted with about 800 individuals total, the conversations have ranged from 15 seconds to 15 minutes, most last around an average of 30 seconds. It usually involves me with a handing out flyers asking people if they would like to know information regarding Senator Obama's presidential campaign. I get interest in Obama, I meet Obama supporters, I get plain no thanks and I get no thanks and I'm supporting this candidate. I ask the plain no thanks people who they are supporting most tell, a few I don't get an answer. The answers I get by the number of replies, Edwards, Gore, Richardson, Kucinich: I've even gotten a small number of people saying they support Rudy G, Ron Paul and Thompson. The Gore supporters I ask who they would support if he doesn't run, it's a 3 way split, Obama, Edwards or no one except Gore. The people who have interest in Obama I will assume as being undecided, so there is a chance they could turn out to be Hillary supporters in the future, out of these people I've had around 25 say they haven't decide between Hillary or Obama. Other than that I haven't met a single person tell me that they are clearly a Hillary Clinton Supporter. I have in fact met a large number of people who would not support Hillary if she became the nominee.

I'm not saying that Hillary has no supporters in Indianapolis, I'm just saying I haven't met any. I'm surprised by this after interacting with 800 people at events that are magnets for democrats I would expect to meet a few, wouldn't I meet at least one? Either her supporters don't show their support in public, which is hard to believe since supporters of every other candidate have no problem doing it; or there just isn't the base of support for her as portrayed by the media.

[Alamom]

6. WOW!how many of the other 12-15 respected polling agencies is she in cahoots with? (Poll #'s incl.)

Zogby, Rasmussen, Pew, Quinn, Cook, etc.

ABC, Gallup & Newsweek look real suspicious. Their numbers are a lot higher for Hillary than anyone else.

.............HRC - BO
ABC.......42% - 27%
ARG.......39% - 19%
CBS.......39% - 28%
Cook......32% - 22%
Gallup.....53% - 42%
API........33% - 21%
NBC.......39% - 25%
Newswk..51% - 39%
Pew.......34% - 24%
Quinn.....35% - 21%
Time......33% - 26%
Zogby....32% - 22%

Odd that Gupta doesn't join in with the "High Pollers" :)


MORE DIRT: This is really good.

http://www.newsmeat.com/fec/bystate_detail.php?st=NV&la...


Zinod Gupta has given $200,000 + to the DNC, the Dem. Senatorial Committee, Dem. Congressional Committee & supported many democrats at the state level for about 10 years according to Newsmeat.


He supported Al Gore & (very generously) John Kerry for president.

He supported Barack Obama in his 04 Senate Race.


http://www.newsmeat.com/fec/bystate_detail.php?st=CO&la...

http://www.newsmeat.com/fec/bystate_detail.php?st=NE&la...


If the links don't work, the Source is Newsmeat. This story has been duped & duped & so on.




ed to get my lines straight

[wyldwolf]

7. as I implied in post 5, for this conspiracy theory to work...

... ALL the other polls either must be influenced by CNN OR (as you're saying) they must also be in cahoots with the Clintons.

What we're seeing here is the first excuse among many to come being formulated to use when/if Clinton wins the nomination.

[Alamom]

8. I agree completely,

Sorry I didn't see your post before mine.
Your post is clear, concise and correct.
It does seem sometimes, absolute proof in black & white is needed and then that may not be enough.




I had this info from the last time this was posted 2 days ago and it takes a minute to get the lines of numbers straight. :)

[William769]

9. wyldwolf is always "clear, concise and correct."

And then again hit pieces like this one that been been posted and not for the first time are always without merit.

Then we have the usual suspects with the popcorn Icon that it appears have not had a thought on their own since I don't know when. :shrug:

[JTFrog]

10. I think just fine

on my own, thanks.

Which is why I'll never be bullied by people like you :)

[William769]

12. Me a bully?

:rofl:

You so funny. NOT! We will never se substance from you either. :eyes:

[JTFrog]

13. You only see what you want to see.

Of course, we're always refreshed and challenged by your unique point of view.

[JTFrog]

11. But as stated above,

I knew you'd all be along to tell me what I really think or don't think. :)

Thanks.

[rinsd]

20. Wow. You predicted Hillary supporters would respond to an attack on her.

You make Nostradomus look like a novelty act.

:eyes:

[JTFrog]

21. No.

Just that one would come along and tell me what I do or do not think.

Please read my posts and don't put your own spin on them. I know that won't happen, but one can wish. :shrug:

[JTFrog]

22. And before you go on further,

please look at the post that I responded to.

Thank you. :)

[draft_mario_cuomo]

26. I don't always agree with WW but WW is clearly one of the best posters here

WW always has strong arguments backed up by facts. :toast:

[BenDavid]

16. Oh, and I guess all the other

polls which have HRC ahead are bogus too....
I do thank you
Ben David

[William769]

17. What?

[illinoisprogressive]

23. It's just been proven that the polling co. That has Hillary tied with Obama in Ill is tied to HRC

[ShortnFiery]

24. I'm Shocked Shocked I tell ya! All of HRC's people are nothing BUT the epitome of "fair play."

:sarcasm: ;)

[rinsd]

25. Which poll has Hillary and Obama tied in IL? And where is this evidence?

[draft_mario_cuomo]

27. Where is this evidence? nt