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jackbourassa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-12-07 03:16 PM
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Rasmussen: Hillary has a net positive rating of 6% --- lowest among Dems
Hillary has a pathetic 52% approval rating and a disapproval rating of 46% (highest of all candidates Democrats and Republicans). Despite being known by nearly all Americans and the severe unpopularity of the Republican Party and President George W. Bush, she only ties Guiliani and Thompson.

God help us!

www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/clinton_44_giuliani_43
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-12-07 03:17 PM
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1. Hillary has a net positive rating?
:wow:
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Tandalayo_Scheisskopf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-12-07 03:25 PM
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2. I loves me...
Some conures.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-12-07 03:28 PM
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4. Cool! Check this out
http://homepage.mac.com/jgraz/BirdPics/PhotoAlbum9.html

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Tandalayo_Scheisskopf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-12-07 03:30 PM
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5. I worked at a pet store for a while.
They had a Blue Crown that they found on their door, in a plastic bag, on a cold winter's day. she got NO attention.

By the time I left there I had that bird as affectionate as can be.

I loves me some conures. My first bird was a Cherry Head.
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jackbourassa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-12-07 03:27 PM
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3. shocking...
I know. But with 46% disapproving of her, I can't imagine why we should nominate this woman.
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Maribelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-12-07 03:38 PM
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7. If you're basing your opinion on the polls ...

then polls are saying Hillary beats every candidate, both Republican and Democratic. If she continues to beat them all, then perhaps that might be a reason she will win the nomination.
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Maribelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-12-07 03:35 PM
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6. Sorry, but I cannot find your "net positive" quote in the link.

And what exactly does "net positiv" mean? Is this news?

Previous Rasmussen polls have heavily favored Republicans, however.
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-12-07 03:41 PM
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8. Given how much she's been dumped on by the media, those scores are superb.
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seasat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-12-07 03:55 PM
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9. Here's the full run down.
Edited on Thu Jul-12-07 03:56 PM by seasat
Rasmussen puts up a chart with match ups, favorable/unfavorable, and conservative/moderate/liberal rankings. I've been following it and it actually looks good for Hillary. First, it seems that once a candidate starts to become nationally known, they automatically get an unfavorable number of around 40%. That is probably because of the Repug and R leaners are not going to approve of most Democrats and they're about 40% of the population. Secondly, the spread between her favorable/unfavorable numbers were even higher earlier in these polls. It looks like she's starting to bring folks over to her side. Obama though is the real amazing story. Even as he's become nationally known, his spread has stayed pretty high. He has a 16 point advantage to the positive.
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dmallind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-12-07 04:00 PM
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10. Yet that very same infallible group says
"Hillary is viewed as the most liberal of the Democratic candidates".

Obviously using overall voter surveys creates some obviously incorrect and skewed results.

Note that 40% of the population at the very least will absolutely NOT vote for any Democrat. Whether they say they oppose Hillary or Edwards or Obama now is almost entirely name recognition. Since hers is so much higher than any of the others amongst the politically apathetic, and since as can be seen above the poliically apathetic view her as the most extreme left wing (yes I know that's a strange combination of amusing and incredible here), then of course her negatives will be higher.

However given the full attention of the RW smear machine, whcih I might had she has endured for 15 years, those negatives would be normal for ANY Dem nominee.

Quite illuminating is that her positive/negative amongst Democrats in the same survey was 84/13. Since on DU I suspect it's much closer to the reverse, this should tell us to be cautious about extrapolating the ire on here into the larger population of Democrats, let alone the larger population of voters who could potentially vote Democratic. The population of voters who would NOT vote Democcratic is irrelevant and makes up the vast majority of her negatives. You may have noticed the Newseek poll that gives her only a 1% "don't know enough to have an opinion" when Edwrds was IIRC about 30%.

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seasat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-12-07 04:39 PM
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15. The "liberal" rating is another point I noticed.
Edwards had much higher conservative and moderate rankings earlier this year based Rasmussen. That was probably based on his moderate stances back in 2004. He also had lower unfavorables. I've noticed that his unfavorables have increased as his liberal rating has increased. He's now up to 43% unfavorable and 42% liberal.
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-12-07 04:16 PM
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11. Nice try...as you no doubt know...or perhaps don't since your research skill seem limited...
This is a large net improvement for Hillary with the pollster that has consistently shown her with the highest negs...

And oh btw, her positive rating the exact same as Edwards and one point lower than Obama...so "pathetic" is not the word that is appropriate
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-12-07 04:24 PM
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12. Hillary's "pathetic" 52% approval is equal to Edwards and 1 point behind Obama.
"Despite being known by nearly all Americans and the severe unpopularity of the Republican Party and President George W. Bush, she only ties Guiliani and Thompson"

She has now edged ahead of Rudy. And is the only Dem currently beating Rudy according to Rasmussen.
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-12-07 04:34 PM
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13. And all the money Obama just hailed in, hasn't donee him any good.
He's actually slipping in the pols this week.
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-12-07 04:35 PM
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14. I seriously expected a 5 pt bump in Rasmussen so I want to wait till Monday
Edited on Thu Jul-12-07 04:35 PM by rinsd
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jackbourassa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 05:27 PM
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27. What about her disapproval rating?
How does that stack up against the others?
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 05:37 PM
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28. Hillary is at 46%, Edwards is at 43% and Obama is at 37% in Rasmussen (nt)
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jackbourassa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 08:39 AM
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29. So her approval rating is...
Tied with Edwards and her disapproval is three points higher...Obama has an approval rating one point higher and a disapproval rating that is nine points lower.

Clinton has a net positive rating of 6%

Edwards has a net positive rating of 9%

Obama has a net positive rating of 16%

So this thread is misleading how? The title accurately depicts the findings of the poll.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-12-07 04:44 PM
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16. I like Hillary
She'll make a great Secretary of Health and Human Services in the Obama administration.


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TeamJordan23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-12-07 06:45 PM
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17. She has a net favorability rating of 0% among red state voters, Obama at 26%, Edwards at 13% nt.
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jackbourassa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 05:33 AM
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18. Whether you care to admit it or not...
...Hillary remains the most unpopular candidate in the field.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 05:37 AM
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19. only with Republicans and "progressives."
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jackbourassa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 05:49 AM
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20. And independents...
So maybe she'll win a landslide with those 5% of Democratic "centrists."

So she's not popular with Republicans, independents and/or progressives. And you still think she should be nominated?

Want to know what I find funny? Is that you take away the liberals and progressives and what do you have left of the Democratic Party?

That's why you "centrists" are so unpopular...because you can't "bite the hand that feeds you." How many times can you attack the majority of members within your party and expect them to come back for more? Because if we lose the "progressives" and "liberals" what party will we have left?
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 06:12 AM
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21. nope. She leads with Democratic leaning Independents
And she beats GOP contenders in head to head matchups.

She leads in the Democratic field and is the overwhelming second choice among Democrats.



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jackbourassa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 08:27 AM
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22. Nonsense...
But whatelse should I expect from you guys.

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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 08:29 AM
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24. I'll trust the polls over your "gut feelings" any day.
Edited on Fri Jul-13-07 08:33 AM by wyldwolf
Oh, and by the way...

That's why you "centrists" are so unpopular

Centrists won over half the new House seats in 2006. When was the last time a "progressive" won the presidency?

How many times can you attack the majority of members within your party and expect them to come back for more?

"Progressives" are not the majority members of the party - unless you can show some proof of that.

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jackbourassa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 05:26 PM
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26. No....Because everybody knows that...
Democrats are really right-wingers!

It's just common knowledge.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 08:44 AM
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30. are you sure you responded to the correct post?
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churchofreality Donating Member (545 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 08:28 AM
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23. Just wait. It will improve as time goes on, already has.
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dmallind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 01:24 PM
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25. possibly
But I suspect more germane to the issue will be that the negatives for the other candidates will start to rise as more and more people pay attention. All too often political junkies like DU posters forget that we are not "normal", sadly, and that huge swathes of people don;t know enough about even "rock star" Obama to have an opinion yet. The most important point, yet rarely noted, is that HRC has only 1% "don;t know her" responses.

40% negative is the absolute FLOOR for any Dem or Rep by the end of the day. It is not relevant to the primary (and not that relevant to the general, since those votes were never plausibly available) that the Republican/Conservative 40% of the pupulation don't like her.

Yes of course the negative opinions of Democrats or Dem-considering independents is important (and undeniably a small but significant obstacle for Hillary among the very far left of the party - which is of course much more heavily represented on DU than in the general population (or we wouldn't have a majority thinking HRC is the most liberal candidate!!), but we simply have no comparable yardstick for that yet since the vast majority of the non-junkies haven't started paying attention yet. Hillary is just too well known for anyone not to already have an opinion.

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jackbourassa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 03:30 PM
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31. What makes you so sure they will improve?
Her numbers currently fluctuate within the margin of error.

There's a real possibility that her numbers will actually decline.
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