What is the deal with Kucinich"not voting" on Iraq withrawal?

[saracat]

I suspect Dennis might be making a "staement" about it not being immediate, which is a stupid thing to do at this point.
Edit Conyers did vote with the Dems.I misread it!

[MonkeyFunk]

1. huh?

Kucinich voted no
Conyers voted yes

[Robbien]

3. Are you sure? Weren't both of them at the NAACP forum in Detroit

WaPo's tracker said Dennis was there.
http://projects.washingtonpost.com/2008-presidential-candidates/tracker/dates/2007/jul/12/2014/

[saracat]

4. Kucinich didn't vote but you are correct Conyers voted "yes".

[MonkeyFunk]

5. just looked it up

re-re-reedit.. lol

Here's the roll call - Kucinich voted no.

http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2007/roll624.xml

[bigwillq]

6. I thought I read that Conyers

Did not vote...let me find the link



edit to add link

http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2007/roll624.xml

This says Conyers did not vote

[MonkeyFunk]

7. yeah, this is confusing

there was a related resolution, and Conyers voted on that but evidently not on the bill itself.

And in the other one, Kucinich didn't vote, but Conyers voted Aye.

Here's the procedural vote:

http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2007/roll622.xml

[bigwillq]

8. Thanks for that link

Yeah, it is confusing.

[Posteritatis]

2. I think Kucinich wants an immediate withdrawl or none at all

Can anyone correct me on/corroborate that?

As for Conyers, I'm bereft of clue.

[LoZoccolo]

9. I wonder when this happened, this idea...

...that because in a democracy a person gets a vote, or can have any opinion they want, that they are entitled to always getting what they want, and if they make a stubborn enough display, it will happen eventually. And if the stubborn display ends up screwing things up more, it's completely everyone else's fault. I wonder when that idea crept in. It's like a spoiled brat version of democracy.

[MonkeyFunk]

10. But don't you see?

Kucinich voted No, but for good reasons.

All the rotten Republicans voted No, but for bad reasons.

The outcome is exactly the same - he sided with the Republicans, but the action was noble when DK did it, but venal when the Repubs did it.

At least, that's how it appears to people who have no clue about politics. A no vote is a no vote - regardless of reasons.

[SaveElmer]

14. "Hail Mary" Democrats...

Go for the long touchdown on every play...too impatient for a ground game...

When's the last time you saw a football team win a game going for the endzone on every play?

[Bryan]

11. The bill still passed, though

If Kucinich had been the deciding vote, I might feel differently, but I'd recommend letting him have his numinous integrity on this one. I didn't vilify Kerry for his IWR vote, I don't feel inclined to wail on Dennis over this. One vote doesn't erase a consistent record of correct decisions.

[LoZoccolo]

12. Now I wonder if he still would have sat out...

...if it didn't have enough votes to pass hmmmmmmmm?

[MonkeyFunk]

15. well he didn't sit out

he voted No.

[MonkeyFunk]

13. then you have to give a pass

to every individual Republican who voted against it, too. Regardless of motive, a no vote is a no vote. Kucinich voted with the republicans.