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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 12:38 PM
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Clinton & Edwards Video from ABC and also youtube (Fox)
http://abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=3371185

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKbv5Wj_bzM

The youtube audio is clearer, but if you listen close enough you can hear it on the ABC video as well.

And I do not think Clinton and Edwards were talking about limiting the number of debates in their exchange as has been mentioned here on a few threads.

Edwards "We should try to have a more serious and a smaller group"

Clinton agreed "We've got to cut the number...They're not serious."


And just a reminder of what Kucinich was saying in 2002 and 2003.


Sept. 25, 2002, KUCINICH -- Denounces Pre-Emption
Introduced by anchor Judy Woodfruff on CNN as "one of the most active House opponents to President Bush's proposed resolution on Iraq," Kucinich denounces Bush's policy of pre-emptive war: "Since when do we equate patriotism with going to war? Since when do we equate patriotism with preemptive strikes and with unilateralism?...America's always been a nation that's worked with other nations. And after September 11 of last year, we had the entire world community working with us. Now we're separating ourselves, isolating ourselves from the world community because we want to go it alone."

Sept. 29, 2002, KUCINICH: "There Is No Imminent Threat"
On the same CBS "Face the Nation": "At this point, frankly, the evidence does not suggest that Iraq was connected to 9/11, that there's any connection between Saddam Hussein and al-Qaeda, that there's any connection between Iraq and the anthrax attacks on this country. We don't hear from the CIA that Iraq has any usable weapons of mass destruction that they could deliver to the United States." Kucinich adds: "There's no imminent threat. If I thought there was an imminent threat to this country, I wouldn't hesitate to vote for action. But I have to tell you, there is no imminent threat."

March 20, 2003: Kucinich: "Rep. Dennis Kucinich of Ohio took his presidential campaign to the same newspaper audiences, but he pulled no punches in assailing the president for starting the war. He urged Bush to bring the troops home and focus on problems in America's cities, including unemployment, pollution and failing schools. 'This is a sad day for America, the world community and the people of Iraq,' he said. 'These are offensive, not defensive attacks, and they are in violation of international law.'"

September 7, 2003, KUCINICH -- Get U.S. Out and U.N. In
"The Bush Administration's arrogant occupation of Iraq has harmed the United States' position in the world community, caused the deaths of 289 American soldiers at last count, and diverted tens of billions of dollars from domestic needs. Now the President is asking for another $87 billion. We must allow the UN to take over peacekeeping operations in the country. The UN must take over management, accounting, and distribution to the Iraqi people of Iraq's oil profits. There must be no privatization of the Iraqi oil industry. The UN must handle the awarding of all contracts for the rebuilding of Iraq so that there can be no more sweetheart contracts for companies like Halliburton."

http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/news/iraq/2003/09/030907-kucinich.htm





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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 01:17 PM
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1. Sorry still can't hear it.
Edited on Fri Jul-13-07 01:29 PM by William769
A couple words here and there but thats all. Glad to see Fox has finally got you all drinking the Kool-Aid. :eyes:
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 05:24 PM
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4. Try and blame it on Fox if you like. I've watched both videos
several times and cannot figure out what else they could be talking in this exchange. I cannot hear the word smaller, but Edwards gestures with his hands for an additional clue and then the response from Clinton about "They're not serious" leads me to believe they are talking about the other candidates who are not serious.

Trust Edwards and Clinton who could not see through the marketing of the Iraq invasion to get us out of this mess...I think I'll take a pass on that proposal. So who is really drinking the Kool-Aid?


Edwards "We should try to have a more serious and a smaller group"

Clinton agreed "We've got to cut the number...They're not serious."
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TeamJordan23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 01:28 PM
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2. I heard both versions, Edwards clearly says "they are not Serious"
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 05:28 PM
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5. Yes Edwards does say they are not serious, I've listened
several times.
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Beaverhausen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 01:34 PM
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3. Hearing a few snippets in the middle of a conversation means nothing
there is no way to know what their entire conversation was about. This whole thing is ridiculous.
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 05:31 PM
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7. From what I heard it sure sounds as if they are talking about the
other 'less serious' candidates. Every candidate should have there voices be heard at this point.
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 05:30 PM
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6. The best part of that video is the look on HRC's face when Dennis walks up to her to
shake her hand.:rofl:
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 05:33 PM
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8. This is my fave


Not much gets past the Kooch!
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 05:35 PM
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9. Wow - look at Dennis - you can read his mind from that pic!
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 05:44 PM
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13. You see how he's got his head forward?
Tell me he ain't listening :D
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 05:41 PM
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12. Great picture! n/t
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TeamJordan23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 05:38 PM
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10. Well it seems like Edwards said they were talking about limiting the # of debators afterall.
He says he would like to see them divided into two. If he was referring to limiting the # of debates, he would have said that today when asked about it.

Now at least we know that when they said "They are not serious," we know they were likely referring to people.
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 05:45 PM
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15. "They're not serious" referring to the number of debates makes
no sense to me and Edwards seems to have confirmed that with his statement today. He should have read DU before responding.

Wonder which candidates would get placed in the 'serious' group :)
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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 05:38 PM
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11. Nothing sez fairness like a Fox link
:eyes:

...and a pissed off Kooch.
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welshTerrier2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 05:45 PM
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14. Here's a quote I heard on the ABC video
Hillary to Edwards: "I think there was an effort by our campaign to do that but it got somehow detoured."

This effort didn't begin with yesterday's conversation.
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 05:48 PM
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16. Exactly! There was an effort by our campaigns... n/t
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welshTerrier2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 05:55 PM
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17. NO! not campaigns ... campaign ... SINGULAR!
i listened to the video about 20 times. I'm definitely hearing campaign; not campaigns ...

please give it another listen and see if you agree. thanks ...
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 06:02 PM
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18. WOW! I think you are right...our campaign, not campaigns!
Oh my, I was just thinking last week of a Clinton/Edwards ticket.
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welshTerrier2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 06:30 PM
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19. btw ...
thanks so much for that PM yesterday ... that was very nice of you!!
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 06:40 PM
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20. YW, just some older bookmarks on the subject and I know
enough not to get into all that math :) Off to pack for vacation, I feel so much safer traveling now that Bush has addressed the war on terrorism, or shall we call it a war to create more terrorism :(
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welshTerrier2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 06:59 PM
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21. nice ...
where you off to?
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 07:12 PM
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22. Thanks I feel guilty...
cruise in the Med and then some.
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