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Bullet1987 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 04:15 PM
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Clinton's first misstep?
Edited on Fri Jul-13-07 04:23 PM by Bullet1987
Is this a misstep for Clinton? I don't see how you can't say it's not...though I doubt it's going to end up badly for her. Mainly because I don't see the media taking the side of Kucinich against Clinton. Not gonna happen...but misstep nonetheless.
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 04:20 PM
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1. As CNN pointed out in their panel on the issue - cutting the number of debators in
the races for Presidential candidates is always, always talked about. So this is not new. There is always a discussion of how many people should make it to the stage.
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Bullet1987 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 04:23 PM
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2. CNN is full of sh*t and didn't even mention what Kucinich said
MSNBC just now did a much better job.
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ccpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 04:23 PM
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3. that's true
in the 10 years I've been following politics and Presidential Debates, there's always discussion about how many to include and what, exactly, just the percentage be -- as in the latest polling numbers -- to determine who can take part. At some point, honestly, you do need to cut the number because some of the candidates -- no matter how much we personally enjoy them and support their policy plans -- just don't have the support or interest of the American People. The more people on stage -- and the limited response time that engenders --, the more it becomes a challenge to get complete answers on important questions. I mean, who wants to watch a 4 hour debate?!
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 06:05 PM
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23. I think the Dems should cede the big tent to the Repos. The quicker the Dems cut,
the better the larger field on the Repo side will look like diversity.

But who cares about that, as long as the cuts help our top tier feel more secure.

The issue shouldn't be the issues after all. The earlier the so called "not serious" candidates are cut before the first vote is ever cast by a voter,the better off the voters will be, because our top tier is looking out for you!

Also, since there seems to be no definative policy differences between any of the top tier on any issue, it will result in far less embarrassment for the top tier to do it as fast as possible.
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 04:23 PM
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4. CNN is pro-Hillary.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 04:26 PM
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5. Her FIRST misstep???
What campaign have you been watching?
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 04:28 PM
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6. we do not evern know what the 'misstep" is----do we?---Is there one?
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wavesofeuphoria Donating Member (204 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 04:29 PM
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7. what about this ...
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 04:31 PM
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8. She didn't misstep, Edwards did
He started talking to her. He walked over and started whispering in her ear. This was his discussion initiated by him. I don't get how Edwards slithers off the hook. But I thought the Geffen thing was a legitimate Clinton campaign misstep.
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Bullet1987 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 04:32 PM
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9. She agreed and supported his ideas...so yes it is a misstep for her
And if it wasn't a misstep, the campaign wouldn't be trying to distance themselves from it in the way they are.
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 04:39 PM
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"We've got to cut the number" ... "they're not serious."
Straight and audibly, right out of Hillary's mouth.

She's busted. The question is whether she will publicly own up to her "private" position.
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 04:39 PM
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11. Self delete. Sorry.
Edited on Fri Jul-13-07 04:40 PM by jefferson_dem
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 04:33 PM
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10. Besides. Everyone already knows she's a ruthless political cut-thoat artist.
Not so much with Edwards.
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 04:41 PM
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12. "Not so much with Edwards."
Well, I hope everyone knows now.
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Ethelk2044 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 06:04 PM
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22. She screwed up
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 04:44 PM
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13. Going by what happened last year in the New York State Primary,
Edited on Fri Jul-13-07 04:50 PM by hedgehog
Hillary won't willingly debate anyone who is posting 9% or less in the polls, especially when they are calling her out on her stand on the war, health care or gay marriage! That worked out pretty good for her last year in the 2006 NYS Primary. By refusing to debate Jonathan Tasini, she made sure most New Yorkers didn't know he existed even though he represented the opinions of most New York Democrats more than she did. BTW, he ended up with 17% on election day.



http://www.commondreams.org/views06/0911-30.htm
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 04:45 PM
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14. We do not even know the story yet----so keep cool
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TeamJordan23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 05:45 PM
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15. Well she basically blamed Edwards. Edwards said he wants to reduce number of debators
into two groups.
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paulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 05:48 PM
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16. if it's even what they were talking about
she and Edwards have alienated, what? Kucinich and Gravel supporters? Together, I doubt those two make up 2% of the Dem. electorate. And if DU is any indicator, half of those people have already promised to vote for a 3rd party candidate next year anyway. I don't see how this can hurt either of them.
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hijinx87 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 05:52 PM
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17. if there are fewer debaters

there is more camera time for those that remain.

this is media management 101.

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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 05:59 PM
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18. PRIDE GOES BEFORE A FALL?
Edited on Fri Jul-13-07 05:59 PM by ShortnFiery
IMO, it seemed as if HRC & Edwards were - in the moment - as their own independent and exclusive club? :shrug:
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cui bono Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 06:00 PM
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19. And we needed another thread on this because...
why?

:eyes:

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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 06:00 PM
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20. Well its a non story that a few have themselves whipped up into a frenzy over
As soon as statements come out about it (Edwards already has one) it will be a non issue.

Dennis will get his five minutes as he willfully is used once again to bash other Democrats.

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hijinx87 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 06:08 PM
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24. an outstanding point

giving national air time to someone to bash other democrats, one
of whom WILL be our nominee, is unproductive relative to the big
picture.

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TeamJordan23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 06:01 PM
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21. I think its worse that she puts blame on Edwards IMO. nt.
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