"I'm the kind of guy who believes he can win a rigged game"

[eleny]

Good for you, Kucinich!!!

[goodhue]

1. He did good

[eleny]

2. Sure did. I had to grab that statement for my sig line!

[sallyseven]

3. He doesn't stand one chance in hell

of winning the nomination. He is a petty little whiner. Go away mr.

[jillan]

4. Wow - you must have magical powers.

[durrrty libby]

9. You nailed him. He is desperate for attention and would

use any means to get a few minutes of me time

What a moran

[Tellurian]

28. Dennis doesn't care who he steps on to rise to the top!

Edwards makes a good point, nonetheless..

[John Q. Citizen]

21. Hillary fan, eh? Or is it Edwards? My my, you doth protesteth too much..

Is it his bill to impeach Chaney you hate?

Or is it his bill to cover all Americans with single payer health insurance? The one Michael Moore supports?

Is it his bill for paper ballots you can't stand?

Or is it his bill to withdraw all (as in every last ) American troop from iraq that you don't like?

Is it that Bill Clinton suggested he run for congress and he did and won a seat that had been held by the Repos for years in a year the Dems lost big everywhere else? (1994)

Just what is it that would cause such viterol, such seething hate? Perhaps you will fill us in? Thanks!

[Tellurian]

30. Mr. Do Nothing is on the Katrina Committee, too bad he's forgotten about them.

[John Q. Citizen]

32. What a strange thing to say. Why would you think that? I think you protesteth too much also.

Dennis didn't give your candidate Hillary a bloody nose. It was a self inflicted wound.

Although I can certainly understand why Dennis spoke up against the collusion by Hillary and Edwards to try to sanitize the "debates" of any real substantive policy differences raised by other candidates.

[bluedog]

5. what does he mean "rigged"

[GreenPartyVoter]

10. The people with the money win. That's the rigged game.

[John Q. Citizen]

23. Money wins about 95% of the time in America. People often forget that.

They don't realize that the best money wins.

[GreenPartyVoter]

25. Sadly true. Want a politician, buy one. Want a political office? Buy one.

[Selatius]

6. I'm just frustrated right now, but to that statement, my honest reaction is "Then you're naive."

You can only win if you compromise. Politics is the art of compromise. He wants single-payer health care. Naturally, in negotiations with middle-of-the-road Democrats and corporatist Republicans, you will end up with Massachusetts' answer to the situation:

A mandatory health insurance law where the poorest who can't pay for it are dumped into a high risk pool administered by the lowest bidder who offers crap for coverage to save costs and pockets the remaining money as a profit margin.

There is a reason why health care in America is crap, why it's only two places better than Cuba according to the WHO, and it's the same reason behind every major fundamental problem facing America today: The people who own all the important corporations and all the important land and infrastructure also own the politicians. They got the advantage in fundraising. They've long since bought out the House and Senate and the White House. They've got judges in their back pockets. They even own the major news outlets, so they can influence what you learn and fill your brain full of useless junk instead of real news.

[eleny]

8. I think a statement of confidence is a good thing

Kucinich was able to surmount strong obstacles in Ohio. So, I took his assertion as hearkening back to those days.

He doesn't strike me as naive. But to each his own observation.

I'd like to see him debate Edwards and Clinton on health care.

[Selatius]

11. He wins on health care against both Clinton and Edwards, but he loses on money/visibility

He doesn't have access to the corporate news media like Clinton does. Edwards suffers from a similar problem with media access, but Kucinich suffers it worse.

Kucinich's plan is the most easy to comprehend for average voters and likely will save the most per capita spent on health care. We need only examine Medicare and its incredibly low operating costs vs. private insurance, but I hardly expect CNN to repeat that fact 24/7.

[eleny]

12. I agree

[John Q. Citizen]

24. Yes, a debate would be good.

[PATRICK]

13. There are different ways of winning

If you get what you want regardless of personal advancement or credit which are not necessary if your goals come before yourself then he is doing well in keeping the debate moving left and in the ppropeor direction, lending synamism toward single payer etc. Of course the dilemma here is that if he was a stronger candidate his ideas would have more clout and seeing stronger candidates with weaker ideas in order to retain political advantage for SOME progressive gains the value would be undeniable. This is all hope based politics. Reality based politcs has never been more unreal, but it only rewards the sickening goons the GOP foists on the glamor scene. Kucinich flies in the face of all false realities and there is no compromise or balance accorded to him- yey. But reality, not the human moral balance, is relentlessly, threateningly progressive beyond our politics. Modest proposals seem the handmaiden of madness.

DK is right to make his stand and make it as boldly as he humanly can. Joining the chorus of media imps is hardly necessary and the exercise of the lowest most destructive fantasy. Compromise has its limits, need anyone consider obvious examples? DK provides movement toward the best. Compromise doesn't mean giving up- in its entirety- what is right and necessary for a permanent fallback line of accomodation with crime and insufficiency.

[EVDebs]

14. EV Debs' socialist party platforms for example. Debs never 'won' an election

but the other parties HAD to adopt his platform items in order to be pragmatic. Pragmatism is an inherent political trait that all surviving political parties adopt. The GOP are slow learners.

[PATRICK]

27. The GOP leads in

exemplifying backward leaning ignorance which they devoutly wish upon all the masses they would comfortably rule.

They indeed would lead by example and promote the necessary madness it takes for decent people to follow.

[Imagevision]

7. Kucinich is starting to look like an excellant candidate with each passing week!!

[draft_mario_cuomo]

15. I hope DK stands against rigging the game against 11 sileneced Dem prez candidates

I am sure he feels it is wrong that they are excluded from debates and forums by the corporate media. Warren Ashe deserves the same right as Hillary Clinton to express his views.

Warren Ashe (D-Virginia)
Randy Crow (D-North Carolina)
Laura Davis-Aaron (D-Tennessee)
Michael Forrester (D-Colorado)
Dan Francis (D-New York)
Alfonzo Jones (D-California)
John Joseph Kennedy (D-Georgia)
Karl Krueger (D-South Dakota)
Sal Mohamed (D-Iowa)
James Prattas (D-Hawaii)
Ole Savior (D-Minnesota)

http://www.politics1.com/p2008.htm

[checks-n-balances]

16. At first, I took the "he" to mean some GOP candidate

that he must've been talking about. I could only guess since I didn't see the clip or hear it in context. I think if you have the broader quote, you should post it and maybe that would clarify things a bit.

[eleny]

22. I'll remember to check for this in the future

Thanks.

It's too late for me to edit my OP now. :blush:

[bvar22]

17. Everybody Knows

"Everybody knows that the dice are loaded
Everybody rolls with their fingers crossed
Everybody knows that the war is over
Everybody knows the good guys lost
Everybody knows the fight was fixed
The poor stay poor, the rich get rich
That's how it goes
Everybody knows
Everybody knows that the boat is leaking
Everybody knows that the captain lied
Everybody got this broken feeling
Like their father or their dog just died

Everybody talking to their pockets
Everybody wants a box of chocolates
And a long stem rose
Everybody knows

Everybody knows that you love me baby
Everybody knows that you really do
Everybody knows that you've been faithful
Ah give or take a night or two
Everybody knows you've been discreet
But there were so many people you just had to meet
Without your clothes
And everybody knows

Everybody knows, everybody knows
That's how it goes
Everybody knows

Everybody knows, everybody knows
That's how it goes
Everybody knows

And everybody knows that it's now or never
Everybody knows that it's me or you
And everybody knows that you live forever
Ah when you've done a line or two
Everybody knows the deal is rotten
Old Black Joe's still pickin' cotton
For your ribbons and bows
And everybody knows

And everybody knows that the Plague is coming
Everybody knows that it's moving fast
Everybody knows that the naked man and woman
Are just a shining artifact of the past
Everybody knows the scene is dead
But there's gonna be a meter on your bed
That will disclose
What everybody knows

And everybody knows that you're in trouble
Everybody knows what you've been through
From the bloody cross on top of Calvary
To the beach of Malibu
Everybody knows it's coming apart
Take one last look at this Sacred Heart
Before it blows
And everybody knows

Everybody knows, everybody knows
That's how it goes
Everybody knows

Oh everybody knows, everybody knows
That's how it goes
Everybody knows

Everybody knows"---Leonard Cohen

DK is the ONLY candidate that has a CLEAR and CONSISTENT stand on the major issues.
Unlike the "top tier" candidates, DK also has a voting record to back it up.

"Redeploying" some troops at some time in the future depending on conditions in Iraq is a PRO-WAR position.

[Rydz777]

18. Dennis Kucinich is articulate, principled, and even at 5'6" he has

charisma. I like him a lot. The MSM has tried to paint him as some kind of marginalized zero, but every time he has a chance to speak for himself he comes across as confident, well-spoken, and in command of the issues. The odds are sure against him but as he said in his interview with Mike Barnacle he has real differences with the platforms of the front-runners. I want him in the debates.

[glitch]

19. That kind of idealism is awe-inspiring. Because the game is rigged from hell to Sunday and back.nt

[TeamJordan23]

20. If I was Edwards, I would debate him. And try to bring Hillary into it also.

If he does well, it can help mvoe his campaign up.

[illinoisprogressive]

26. I liked that response.

[SaveElmer]

29. He isn't gonna win anything...and his criticisms of Edwards were uncalled for...

He is the last one that should be talking about someone else's integrity...

Just blowing hot air...it is becoming pretty clear now what Edwards and Clinton had in mind...a series of smaller debates with different candidates...

Kucinich is trying to ride a non-story to jump start his "campaign"...

[John Q. Citizen]

33. Yes, Dennis certainly did win this round. Of course the bloody noses Hillary and

Edwards recieved were clearly self inflicted.

Your ability to rationalize is amazing. Hillary and Edward's collusion to attempt to eliminate differing points of views from the debates is bad enough.

Then they compounded their problems by lying about it.

This is clear to everyone except the blind faithful followers of the two bloody nosed candidates. I doubt you will find many objective viewers who will buy your convoluted rationals.

[SaveElmer]

36. Youa re doing exactly what you accuse Hillary and Edwards of doing...

Making assumptions with no more info than what was overheard...

I know you want your version to be the case, but the fact is, you have no more evidence for that assertion than anyone else...

[Alamom]

34. Absolutely and now, I'm wondering if there is more to this.........

Why has no one even tried to clean the tape up? I think in most cases, background noise or loud noise can be isolated....different frequencies can be isolated, to some degree.

If Faux does not have the technology to do this, some company should have and if so, why does someone not do it.....this seems so very suspicious to me.

[BornagainDUer]

31. K&R. Dennis you should keep reminding people that it is a riggec

game every time you address the Public.

[Totally Committed]

35. At least he realizes that's what this election is, at this point.

Good for him.

TC

[Perry Logan]

37. Republicans wrote the book on winning rigged games.