CNN Responds to Michael Moore

[TeamJordan23]

http://www.cnn.com/2007/SHOWBIZ/Movies/07/15/moore.gupta/index.html

CNN's response to Michael Moore

In response to a letter Michael Moore wrote about CNN's reporting on his documentary "SiCKO," a CNN spokesperson released the following statement:

"It's ironic that someone who has made a career out of holding powerful interests accountable is so sensitive to having his own work held up to the light by impartial journalists, as we did in our examination of 'SiCKO,' " the spokesperson said.

"In our original report, we made one mistake, which we apologized for and corrected on air and online six days ago, despite Mr. Moore's claim yesterday in his letter to us. Further, the e-mail Mr. Moore released in an effort to cast doubt on our reporting does no such thing.

"We appreciate Mr. Moore's attention to the important subject of health care and have featured him on CNN four times to discuss his movie and our reporting on it. While Mr. Moore may want to continue the discussion in order to drive publicity to his movie, we have presented the facts and are comfortable letting the viewers judge for themselves.

"We have zero vested interest in shading the numbers to tell a certain story. Suggesting otherwise, of Dr. Gupta or of CNN, just doesn't hold water," the spokesperson concluded.

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[BootinUp]

1. Back in the days of decent news coverage

I don't hardly remember news organizations "making news" like this. Maybe I was too young to remember.

[TeamJordan23]

2. Their desperation for ratings is so blatant. nt

[nolabels]

12. Yet Mike calls them out for the focus on him instead of subject but they persist

The U.S. infrastructure, the establishment and civility crumbles at our feet but somehow corporate media want to focus on Mr. Moore as if by some way they could show it to be his fault. The immaturity of the so called so called establishment and it's responsibility for what it has been helping to produce is now being called in to question. That grand scheme and design of this most perfect model is FAILING. Still they want to push this thing, this failed model, out and over everybody as the model to be used everywhere even after it has being proven it is not workable or sustainable for most of the worlds populations. They don't get it, won't get it and most of all, any change will have to be forced on them. To me that says go around because mostly that confrontation is waste of ones time and effort. The way to succeed is have clear goal and not let greediness or impatience impede the progress.


Hello CNN, Mike is not the problem, you guys are. Other people are doing their thing and your guys are being left in the dust. Wake up and smell the coffee :shrug:

[glowing]

3. There's not much they can do. Everyone wants universal, non-cop.

insurance. It is so easy to understand---a child could tell you how important it is.

[sjeberling]

4. zero vested interest in shading the numbers - lie

with the millions in advertising money invested in CNN. they have become obligated to distort and fudge the facts in their stories..

not sure if I can stomach any more of that..

Freedom for America now!

[MatrixEscape]

5. " ... held up to the light by impartial journalists" - ROTFLMAO! eom

[sutz12]

7. That was the line that jumped out at me....

:rofl:

[LibertyorDeath]

6. "held up to the light by impartial journalists, "

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Now that's hard to "Stomach"

impartial journalists where bring them on

[TheBaldyMan]

8. Where do I begin ...

Point #1 - the obscuring of the ranking of Cuba in the world health tables was dishonest, Mike Moore pointed that out. The implication was that SiCKO tried to obscure it. Just plain untrue. The party who did obscure it was CNN by putting the graphic over part of the screen.

Point #3 - Life expectancy of Cuba vs. US

CNN makes great play of their figures coming from a more recent report - that wasn't available when the film was made (2007 WHO report uses 2005 returns) incidentally the same data sets indicate a longer life expectancy for Cubans if you use the WHO figures for 2004 instead of 2005.

Point #5 Americans have shorter waiting lists

CNN stands by their claim that it is a fair call. I'd say that Mike Moore still floors them with the argument that if you take out all the uninsured you will have shorter waiting times. CNN actually quotes Mike on this but chooses to dismiss it.

Point #6 - The RW shill was completely impartial (honest)

Yeah - right.

Point #7 - everybody will get private health insurance anyway to save them from the horrors of socialised medicine.

According to CNN's rent-a-tard expert, 85% of French people have supplementary insurance, they quote data from 1998 - this from the news corporation that was rubbing MM's nose in his 'old out-of-date' data, even the more modern numbers (a 2000 estimate) puts a suspiciously high proportion - 94% of French people with private health insurance. Definitely worth further investigation of the sources of these data.

Point #8

CNN accuses Mike Moore of mixing and matching the data to suit his case - a case of pot calling the kettle black if ever there was one.


I could go on but let me says this CNN are a bunch of skeezy liars who can't own up to the fact that they are establishment mouthpieces who have been Dubya's prison bitch for the last 7 years. They are not worthy to call themselves journalists, reporters or newsmen. They are apologists and propagandists.

CNN - fuck 'em

:grr:

[Vyan]

10. Technically..

Point #3 - Life expectancy of Cuba vs. US

CNN makes great play of their figures coming from a more recent report - that wasn't availiable when the film was made (2007 WHO report uses 2005 returns) incidently the same data sets indicate a longer life expectancy for Cubans if you use the WHO figures for 2004 instead of 2005.

The issue posited by Gupta wasn't that they had more recent WHO numbers, it was simply that Moore had used UN Human Development numbers. However both of which were nearly identical, with either the U.S. or Cuba having only a miniscule lead of 1/10th a year, easily within any reasonable margin of error.

Point #5 Americans have shorter waiting lists

CNN stands by their claim that it is a fair call. I'd say that Mike Moore still floors them with the argument that if you take out all the uninsured you will have shorter waiting times. CNN actually quotes Mike on this but chooses to dismiss it.

This is true, but it's also true that while America's wait time is shorter than Canada's - it's much longer than Britian, France, New Zealand and Australia all of whom have "everybody in line with you" just like Canada does. Coincidence does not always indicate causality.

Point #8

CNN accuses Mike Moore of mixing and matching the data to suit his case - a case of pot calling the kettle black if ever there was one

More uses more often that not, the most recent information - be it from the UN, WHO or HHS. He doesn't neccesarily pick the information that makes his case and argument stronger as CNN suggests. If he wanted to make America look worse and Cuba look better he could have used the WHO figure of $229 per capita health care costs, but instead he used the higher $251 figure from the UN and BBC.

All of these points I made in detail in this Dkos Diary which was crossposted on my Journal late last week.

Vyan

[TheBaldyMan]

13. thanks for the link

I hope 'the missus' is getting better, I know from personal experience kidney infections are really painful. I also hope she has a full and speedy recovery.

btw I liked your point about the US patient satisfaction with the system might be because they didn't know what they are missing.

[Vyan]

9. CNN is full of it.

There was a lot more than just "one mistake" - they outright lied and accused Moore of manipulating the data to serve an agenda as I've outlined in detail right here.

"Impartial" my ass.

Vyan

[Progressive Friend]

11. CNN = right-wing economics and militarism