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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 10:05 PM
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"Democrats are increasingly moving toward a full-throated populist critique of the current economy."
NYT: New Populism Spurs Democrats on the Economy
By ROBIN TONER
Published: July 16, 2007

WASHINGTON, July 15 — On Capitol Hill and on the presidential campaign trail, Democrats are increasingly moving toward a full-throated populist critique of the current economy.

Clearly influenced by some of their most successful candidates in last year’s Congressional elections, Democrats are talking more and more about the anemic growth in American wages and the negative effects of trade and a globalized economy on American jobs and communities. They deplore what they call a growing gap between the middle class, which is struggling to adjust to a changing job market, and the affluent elites who have prospered in the new economy. Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton, Democrat of New York, calls it “trickle-down economics without the trickle.”

Populism is hardly new in the Democratic Party. Al Gore vowed to fight for “the people versus the powerful” in his presidential campaign seven years ago, and Republicans have long accused the Democrats of practicing “class warfare.”

But the latest populist resurgence is deeply rooted in a view that current economic conditions are difficult and deteriorating for many people, analysts say, and it is now framing debates over tax policy, education, trade, energy and health care. Last week, Senate Democrats held hearings on proposals to raise taxes on some of the highest fliers on Wall Street, the people at the top of private equity and hedge fund firms.

In the House, Representative Barney Frank, the Massachusetts Democrat who is chairman of the Financial Services Committee, convened party leaders and economists for a searching discussion of “globalization, outsourcing and the American worker — what should government do?” Speaker Nancy Pelosi, Democrat of California, offered the participants some blunt marching orders: “The American people want to know what we’re doing about their economic security.”

Their language, and to some degree their proposals, reflect a striking contrast with the approach taken by Democrats during much of the 1990s, when President Bill Clinton asserted that trade would create American jobs and that paying attention to the concerns of Wall Street would help the economy by lowering interest rates....

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/16/us/politics/16populist.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 10:13 PM
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1. umm. I am liking this mood they are in.
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Iris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 12:10 PM
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23. It's about damn time. n/t
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Dolcissiomo Donating Member (5 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 10:15 PM
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2. Please don't tamper with the economy.
The DOW is doing great and unemployment is very low. Badmouth it all you want in full campaign mode. Fine. We understand. Just please don't mess with it once you get there.
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sutz12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 10:19 PM
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4. Screw that attitude....that's how we got where we are
I have a feeling the Dow is a house of cards holding on by a fingernail. One big crunch and it'll all go south. The only things propping it up are executive salaries and blind faith. There isn't much behind any of the numbers other than creative accounting.
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Manifestor_of_Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 11:04 PM
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8. True. Nobody with any sense believes the gov't numbers.
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Captain Angry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 10:25 PM
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5. You forgot your sarcasm tag.

1: Unemployment, as it is measured and reported, seems low. However, when it doesn't count people who haven't found a job after the unemployment program runs out, it's not accurate. Or in my case, when it doesn't count the fact that I'm working for 80% less than I used to make because an executive's bonus would be larger after sending my job out of the country, it's not an accurate sign to point to.

And the Dow means nothing. An index that is adjusted to ensure it's always pointing up, and isn't inflation indexed is not a way to judge the economy either.

Consumer debt load is high.
Inflation is increasing. Check the price of milk, bread or gas lately? I paid $13.00 for a gallon of milk, a loaf of bread and a jar of spaghetti sauce tonight. Fantastico. I could have gone cheaper by buying fat laden milk, or non-whole-wheat bread, or non-sugared sauce, but I do want to attempt to be healthy.

The economy seriously needs to be messed with. The fake profits from insider money, naked short trades, dark pools, etc., need to be wrung out of the system.

The false appraisals that shot house prices out of reach for normal people, the fake loans that snagged a lot of people that didn't know they were being screwed, etc.

All of these things have lined up to ensure the economy sucks for the majority of Americans.

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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 10:35 PM
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7. There are two economies--the one Americans aspire to (the one you refer to) and the
Edited on Sun Jul-15-07 10:36 PM by blondeatlast
one most of them exist in.
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tkmorris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 11:24 PM
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9. You think the economy is doing just great huh?
I really don't know what to say to that one. I also see that you dislike Hillary Clinton, despise trial lawyers, don't believe the Catholic Church should be sued, and this next one blew my socks clean off, think JOE LIEBERMAN is the conscience of the Senate. You are one interestin' fella, you are.

:beer: :popcorn:
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 11:37 PM
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11. the dow is not an indicator of a healthy economy, nor is unemployment nt
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 09:00 AM
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14. Unemployment is low on the books, but in reality there are a lot of people not
even on the rolls. And many families who are employed work multiple jobs and have little relaxation time.

So no, the economy is not good at least not in terms of quality of life for your average person.
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 09:13 AM
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16. Unemployment is not very low
even Smirk's new way of calculating it can't hide the fact that millions more are out of work than ten years ago. When you add in underemployment and benefit-free employment, we're at a crisis stage, no matter what your hate radio hosts say.

The Dow is not a measure of how the economy is doing - just how well the owning class is doing. A health insurers's stock price goes up every time they deny a claim. This is great for the board of directors, no so much for their insurees.

Turn off Cabal "News" and hate radio for awhile - you might learn something
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 09:35 AM
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19. "unemployment is very low"
Yeah...I'm working two and a half jobs to make ends meet.

Bullshit. Go back to FReeperland and tout the wonderful Republican economy all you goddamn want there.
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kenny blankenship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 11:33 AM
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22. The Dow is a measure mainly of how much money is being printed
and funneled into speculation, not of the supposed good health of the underlying economy.
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sutz12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 10:16 PM
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3. This had better gather some steam...
Most of our candidates have yet to really address these issues.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 10:32 PM
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6. WAIT!!! As Gravel points out: "Democrats gave us NAFTA"!!!!
And while I wasn't watching that closely, did the Republicans overturn all of the New Deal restrictions on capital on their own??????

No -- Clinton . . . on advice from Gore . . . overturned 60 plus years of Welfare guarantees!!!!

Republicans have been eating away at the New Deal regulations on Capital which make them less than organized crime since FDR introduced them.

Keep in mind that Social Security used to be paid 2/3rds by the employer and 1/3rd by the employee.
Sometime around Carter's administration the change was made to a 50%/50% deal.
This put a huge new burden on the employee.
Meanwhile, Social Security surplusses have been constantly borrowed and if returned would make Social Security infinitely viable.

Same thing with unemployment insurance. It used to be paid 100% by the employer.
Now . . what is it? You can't even be sure that unemployment insurance will carry you along while you are unemployed.

S&L theft and embezzlements resulted from overturning New Deal regulations --
NY Times over the past decades has been constantly full of what you would call "Business Crime."

Many of our scandals -- mortages now -- all trace back to the overturning of New Deal regulations.

Capitalism itself -- Brettonwoods Accords overturned. Capital can now cross borders -- labor cannot.

Americans need to begin to discuss capitalism among themselves in a free understand that capitalism has NOTHING to do with democracy -- and that unregulated capitalism is merely organized crime.

It's also a "ridiculous King-of-the-Hill" system --
and it has failed repeated.
FDR saved capitalism when he took office . . . by regulating it.






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Fearless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 11:31 PM
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10. NAFTA/WTO etc.
See all these free trade ideas would work in theory. That is "would" work, if the field were balanced. If all nations involved had comparative minimum wage and worker's rights laws. Unfortunately, the foolhearty of us didn't realize this. To quote Homer Simpson, if I may. "In theory, in 'theory' communism works. In theory."
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 08:46 AM
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12. Story is front-page, lead, in today's NYT print edition. nt
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 08:56 AM
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13. The Republicans say the economy is good. But they've been saying that for seven straight years.
Edited on Mon Jul-16-07 08:58 AM by Perry Logan
It's like "1984"--all the numbers are great, and have always been great.

Some stats:
Under Clinton we had the lowest poverty rate in 20 years: the poverty rate declined from 15.1 percent to 11.8 percent in 1999--the largest six-year drop in poverty in nearly 30 years

Under GWB: Since 1999 there's been a 22 percent increase in U.S. households in which there was hunger due to poverty during the year. --U.S. Department of Agriculture Economic Research Service

Corporate taxes have dropped 26%, while taxes for average Americans have increased 13%. In the 1950s, taxes from corporations made up 27% of the revenues of the federal government; today that number has dropped to less than 10%.

From 1979 until now, the richest 1% in the country have seen their wages increase by 150%, those of us in the bottom 20% are making $100 less per year (adjusted for inflation) than at the dawn of the Reagan era.

According to the General Accounting Office, those who earn less than $25,000 a year have seen their IRS audits double--while those earning over $100,000 have seen their audits drop by 25%.

2,365,000 jobs have been lost in the private sector since Bush took office (Bureau of Labor Statistics 1/10/03)

2.7 million jobs have been lost since Bush's first, $1.35 trillion tax cut in 2001.

;) Yea, we'll be sure not to mess any of this up when we take over.
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RedEarth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 09:08 AM
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15. Senator Jim Webb has been saying this for a long time..... link
Class Struggle
American workers have a chance to be heard.

BY JIM WEBB
Wednesday, November 15, 2006 12:01 a.m. EST

The most important--and unfortunately the least debated--issue in politics today is our society's steady drift toward a class-based system, the likes of which we have not seen since the 19th century. America's top tier has grown infinitely richer and more removed over the past 25 years. It is not unfair to say that they are literally living in a different country. Few among them send their children to public schools; fewer still send their loved ones to fight our wars. They own most of our stocks, making the stock market an unreliable indicator of the economic health of working people. The top 1% now takes in an astounding 16% of national income, up from 8% in 1980. The tax codes protect them, just as they protect corporate America, through a vast system of loopholes.

Incestuous corporate boards regularly approve compensation packages for chief executives and others that are out of logic's range. As this newspaper has reported, the average CEO of a sizeable corporation makes more than $10 million a year, while the minimum wage for workers amounts to about $10,000 a year, and has not been raised in nearly a decade. When I graduated from college in the 1960s, the average CEO made 20 times what the average worker made. Today, that CEO makes 400 times as much.

In the age of globalization and outsourcing, and with a vast underground labor pool from illegal immigration, the average American worker is seeing a different life and a troubling future. Trickle-down economics didn't happen. Despite the vaunted all-time highs of the stock market, wages and salaries are at all-time lows as a percentage of the national wealth. At the same time, medical costs have risen 73% in the last six years alone. Half of that increase comes from wage-earners' pockets rather than from insurance, and 47 million Americans have no medical insurance at all.

Manufacturing jobs are disappearing. Many earned pension programs have collapsed in the wake of corporate "reorganization." And workers' ability to negotiate their futures has been eviscerated by the twin threats of modern corporate America: If they complain too loudly, their jobs might either be outsourced overseas or given to illegal immigrants.





This ever-widening divide is too often ignored or downplayed by its beneficiaries. A sense of entitlement has set in among elites, bordering on hubris. When I raised this issue with corporate leaders during the recent political campaign, I was met repeatedly with denials, and, from some, an overt lack of concern for those who are falling behind. A troubling arrogance is in the air among the nation's most fortunate. Some shrug off large-scale economic and social dislocations as the inevitable byproducts of the "rough road of capitalism." Others claim that it's the fault of the worker or the public education system, that the average American is simply not up to the international challenge, that our education system fails us, or that our workers have become spoiled by old notions of corporate paternalism.
Still others have gone so far as to argue that these divisions are the natural results of a competitive society. Furthermore, an unspoken insinuation seems to be inundating our national debate: Certain immigrant groups have the "right genetics" and thus are natural entrants to the "overclass," while others, as well as those who come from stock that has been here for 200 years and have not made it to the top, simply don't possess the necessary attributes.

Most Americans reject such notions. But the true challenge is for everyone to understand that the current economic divisions in society are harmful to our future. It should be the first order of business for the new Congress to begin addressing these divisions, and to work to bring true fairness back to economic life. Workers already understand this, as they see stagnant wages and disappearing jobs.

America's elites need to understand this reality in terms of their own self-interest. A recent survey in the Economist warned that globalization was affecting the U.S. differently than other "First World" nations, and that white-collar jobs were in as much danger as the blue-collar positions which have thus far been ravaged by outsourcing and illegal immigration. That survey then warned that "unless a solution is found to sluggish real wages and rising inequality, there is a serious risk of a protectionist backlash" in America that would take us away from what they view to be the "biggest economic stimulus in world history."

More troubling is this: If it remains unchecked, this bifurcation of opportunities and advantages along class lines has the potential to bring a period of political unrest. Up to now, most American workers have simply been worried about their job prospects. Once they understand that there are (and were) clear alternatives to the policies that have dislocated careers and altered futures, they will demand more accountability from the leaders who have failed to protect their interests. The "Wal-Marting" of cheap consumer products brought in from places like China, and the easy money from low-interest home mortgage refinancing, have softened the blows in recent years. But the balance point is tipping in both cases, away from the consumer and away from our national interest.





The politics of the Karl Rove era were designed to distract and divide the very people who would ordinarily be rebelling against the deterioration of their way of life. Working Americans have been repeatedly seduced at the polls by emotional issues such as the predictable mantra of "God, guns, gays, abortion and the flag" while their way of life shifted ineluctably beneath their feet. But this election cycle showed an electorate that intends to hold government leaders accountable for allowing every American a fair opportunity to succeed.
With this new Congress, and heading into an important presidential election in 2008, American workers have a chance to be heard in ways that have eluded them for more than a decade. Nothing is more important for the health of our society than to grant them the validity of their concerns. And our government leaders have no greater duty than to confront the growing unfairness in this age of globalization.

Mr. Webb is the Democratic senator-elect from Virginia.

http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110009246
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 09:42 AM
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20. It's time to reign in the corporations!
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Apollo11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 09:15 AM
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17. Is "full-throated" code for "wild-eyed"?
For some reason, the MSM always refers to economic populism as being "full-throated".

It's like they want us to imagine guys on a picket line - yelling loudly.

Back in 2000, they attacked Al Gore for pushing a "populist" message.

Clark, Edwards and Obama are all saying interesting things about the economy.

Maybe we should call it "economic patriotism" - instead of populism?

:kick:
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chimpymustgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 09:32 AM
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18. "Economic patriotism". Excellent ideal and meme. Edwards uses that in his campaign theme:
Edited on Mon Jul-16-07 09:37 AM by chimpymustgo
that we should be patriotic about more than war. You have stated it perfectly.

Edited to add this from the article:

-snip-

Former Senator John Edwards, another Democratic candidate, staked out similar positions months ago and regularly notes that in the last 20 years, “about half of America’s economic growth has gone to the top 1 percent.” Mr. Edwards praises recent efforts to raise taxes on private equity and hedge funds. His campaign manager, former Representative David E. Bonior, notes that Mr. Edwards has been sounding these themes since his first presidential campaign in 2004.

“John Edwards was there at the beginning of this,” Mr. Bonior said.

-snip-
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hvn_nbr_2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 11:10 AM
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21. It's a codeword, just like "shrill"
If it were only female candidates saying this stuff, then they would be "shrill." Since both male and female Dems are saying it, they're "full-throated."
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 12:37 PM
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24. i think i could love anything with the phrase ''full throated'' in it. n/t
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