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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 12:28 PM Original message |
Bloggers: Obama Has Failed To Distinguish Himself From Clinton on Iraq |
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ORDagnabbit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 12:45 PM Response to Original message |
1. well duh...go with Mike Gravel..... Clinton and Obama are both in the power of the military |
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ludwigb (789 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 12:56 PM Response to Original message |
2. This is Going to Become One of HRC Supporters' Talking Points |
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welshTerrier2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 01:02 PM Response to Original message |
3. and neither has distinguished themself on Iran |
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Forkboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 01:18 PM Response to Reply #3 |
4. I love how some HRC people here and elsewhere keep saying Obama is just like Hillary. |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 04:48 PM Response to Reply #4 |
6. That is because BO supporters paint him as the antithesis to HRC and the DLC |
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Forkboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 05:04 PM Response to Reply #6 |
8. Exactly. |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 05:43 PM Response to Reply #8 |
11. That is why I call them Clobama (borrowed from Studentsmustunite) nt |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 04:47 PM Response to Original message |
5. This is the truth. Look at their votes and their nearly identical plans for Iraq |
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TeamJordan23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 04:59 PM Response to Original message |
7. Maybe you should read this: |
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Alamom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 05:09 PM Response to Reply #7 |
9. 5 years ago? Check his voting record since he's actually been a senator. eom |
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TeamJordan23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 06:36 PM Response to Reply #9 |
18. 5 years ago is when it mattered. nt |
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maximusveritas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 05:12 PM Response to Original message |
10. Wow, so 2 anti-Obama bloggers say something bad about Obama |
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Ethelk2044 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 05:59 PM Response to Original message |
12. He has distinguished himself from her |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 06:03 PM Response to Reply #12 |
13. Exactly--the only real difference between the two on Iraq was half a decade ago |
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Ethelk2044 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 06:21 PM Response to Reply #13 |
15. You need to tell the family members of the men who died that. |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 01:22 AM Response to Reply #15 |
33. If HRC voted against the IWR not a single thing would have occurred differently |
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zulchzulu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 06:18 PM Response to Original message |
14. Precisely... |
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Ethelk2044 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 06:22 PM Response to Reply #14 |
16. I agree it is a Big Difference |
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BeyondGeography (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 06:29 PM Response to Original message |
17. Except she was a long-time defender of the war and Obama was an early and articulate critic |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 07:03 PM Response to Reply #17 |
19. Except Obama snubbed his anti-war stance when he won the Senate |
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TeamJordan23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 07:08 PM Response to Reply #19 |
20. I forgot, has Hillary ever apologized for her Iraq war vote? nm |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 07:19 PM Response to Reply #20 |
24. no, and she won't kiss your ass and grovel at your feet. |
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BeyondGeography (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 07:12 PM Response to Reply #19 |
22. Keep trying...It took guts to say what he said when he said it |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 07:19 PM Response to Reply #22 |
25. hit a nerve, huh? |
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BeyondGeography (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 07:22 PM Response to Reply #25 |
26. Uh, no |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 07:28 PM Response to Reply #26 |
27. Obama: |
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Ethelk2044 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 08:54 PM Response to Reply #27 |
30. You forget she is voting like him. She hangs in the wing and wait till he votes |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 09:08 PM Response to Reply #30 |
31. give me a few examples.... |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 01:29 AM Response to Reply #27 |
35. Don't forget Axlerod, who authors Obama's rhetoric, was part of the package for making that speech |
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Ethelk2044 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 08:49 PM Response to Reply #22 |
28. I agree |
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Kingstree (357 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 09:16 PM Response to Reply #28 |
32. Polls are subjective. |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 01:27 AM Response to Reply #19 |
34. That is hilarious |
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maximusveritas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 07:10 PM Response to Original message |
21. Their major flaw is reading too much into the polls, too early on |
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Ethelk2044 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 07:16 PM Response to Reply #21 |
23. Plus you have to wonder who are they polling. I never get a call |
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illinoisprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 08:54 PM Response to Original message |
29. all the bloggers are big time for Edwards. You must not read other blogs. |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 01:30 AM Response to Reply #29 |
36. lol they are biased against BO? No one is disputing the fact that they are identical on Iraq |
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