The Ultimate Hillary Clinton Question

[Scriptor Ignotus]

I hope the mods don't delete this out of hand...

(this is how I picture myself asking her the ultimate question...)

Hello Senator Clinton. The question I have for you is going to be uncomfortable, but given recent history I ultimately believe it is a fair question.

If you get elected President, and your husband gets caught having another extramarital affair, how will you cope with the subsequent media and political fallout? Do you believe it would destroy any positive achievements your administration might make? Would it destroy the Democratic Party?



--look, I like Bill Clinton. You like Bill Clinton. But I firmly believe that were it not for the Lewinsky affair Al Gore would be our President TODAY. What makes you think Bill's going to keep it in his pants this time around? Now, I really could care less about his affairs, but millions of Americans did have a problem. Surely, the Clintons' political opponents had a problem with it or at least exploited it as such. What's going to happen the next time? It could destroy a HRC Presidency. It could paralyze the nation's domestic and foreign policy agenda. It could emaciate the Democratic party -- our funds, our energy, our optimism. Is everyone here prepared to go through the whole Lewinsky affair all over again?

This line of thinking may seem offensive to some, or in bad taste, but I strongly urge you to reconsider and look at this from a purely unemotional political point of view. Yes, it'd be great to have Bill Clinton back in the white house because of his great experience and leadership skills. But it'd also be a tremendous liability due to his wandering eye. Another affair would cripple every advancement the Democratic party has made since 2000.

I have not seen this topic broached in any other posts. Maybe its verboten here. But I think it's a conversation we should have. I would like to see how DU feels about this issue.

[wtmusic]

1. I know there are more important issues that that

I just know it.

[Scriptor Ignotus]

15. in 2000

there apparently weren't. It's one of the reasons we lost to Bush - Gore didn't or couldn't associate himself with Clinton's otherwise successful Presidency. I don't want to see an iteration of that happen again.

The religious right may be quiet right now, but they didn't disappear.

[rinsd]

2. What if Obama starts doing cocaine again? What if something horrible comes out of Edwards past?

What ifs are bullshit.

You cross that bridge when you come to it.

[Scriptor Ignotus]

13. what if Bush invades Iran

is that bullshit?

Plus the odds of Obama doing coke or Edwards doing something is unpredictable but effictively nil.

Bill Clinton has a multi-decade track record of being unfaithful. I see that as fair game and something worth considering BEFORE Hillary is our nominee.




edited typo

[Gman]

21. What if pigs fly out of Kucinich's butt?

[rinsd]

23. That could be worth 2 points in the polls!

[Truth2Tell]

28. It'd get my vote for sure!

[NoPasaran]

57. Mmmmm! Butt pig!

[jgraz]

3. You left out a word in your subject line

Shouldn't that read "The Ultimate Boneheaded Clinton Question"?

I'm no fan of Shillary, but there are many, many better candidates for "ultimate" Clinton questions than something so useless and cringe-worthy.

[emilyg]

10. Totally stupid question

[AtomicKitten]

4. CORRECTION: Gore isn't president because of a 5:4 coup d'etat.

n/t

[jobycom]

7. Not to mention some ice picks in the back room of some ballot counters.

[AtomicKitten]

12. *

[jobycom]

17. That might have been a better place to use the ice picks.

[AtomicKitten]

30. or a hand grenade (n/t)

[jobycom]

5. With his arteries? C'mon! America'd stand up and cheer if he even COULD. nt

[rinsd]

6. !!!!

:spray:

[LibDemAlways]

8. I've heard more than one Dem talking head say that

the repukes are holding back on any fresh dirt they've dug up on Bill until after Hillary gets the nom. There has to be a reason why the rw slime machine has been so quiet. If they do have anything, if Bill hasn't been 100% faithful since Monica, we'll all hear about it before the last piece of confetti has hit the floor in the convention hall.

[Scriptor Ignotus]

14. yea

I think the RW is salivating over her being our nominee. It's their one last rallying cry.

[eggman67]

22. Absolutely

They've been stumping for her since 2004. They'll get record RW turnout.

[quinnox]

9. Mostly right wing fundie republicans would care about that

and Hillary isn't going to get their vote anyway, nor would any other Democratic candidate.

[Scriptor Ignotus]

19. you don't think the Lewinsky affair

had a negative effect on the Democratic Party? You don't think that was a factor in the 2000 election? I think it's something we should be concerned with as well.

[paulk]

11. Bad, bad Clinton!

[FormerDittoHead]

16. Bill doesn't have to do anything. They'll make the shit up as they did before (Vince Foster, etc)

If a postal worker goes, excuse me, 'postal' in Nebraska, Limbaugh and O'Reilly will be blaming the Clintons for their "culture" problems, and will be fielding calls from people throwing out all kinds of UFO style connections...

[Scriptor Ignotus]

18. thats a whole separate issue

the Right will make up shit about Hillary or Bill, that's a given.

I'm talking about things he was proven to have done and which is likely to happen again - namely have an affair at some point in time over a 4 or 8 year Hillary Presidency.

[Gman]

20. What kind of a friggin' question is that?

You've got a pretty small and narrow view of the world if that's the best question you can ask one of the top 3 Democratic nomination contenders.

[Scriptor Ignotus]

24. would you argue that the Lewinsky affair had no negative

impact on Clinton's presidency (after the scandal blew up) or on the Democratic party?

[Gman]

34. All I know is as the GOP went about impeaching Clinton

his approval rating went astronomically through the roof. I think at the height of the impeachment thing, Bill was at 70%+ approval rating. Does that sound like Lewinsky had a negative impact?

[Gman]

39. And, as a matter of fact

in December 1998, Clinton was at 72% approval rating in the NBC News/Wall Street Journal Poll, 73% in the Gallup/CNN/USA Today Poll, 71% in the Pew Research Center for the People & the Press survey, 73% in the CBS News Poll, and even 69% in the Fox News/Opinion Dynamics Poll. Most other polls had Bill in the mid to high 60's approval rating. Not exactly a negative effect from Lewinsky.

http://www.pollingreport.com/clinton-.htm

[Perry Logan]

25. The "ultimate" Hillary question? More like a cheesy neocon smear.

Since the Right has taken to "pornographizing" the Presidents...let's not forget that George I had a mistress. So he was getting plenty more than Clinton. He was boffing his mistress whiule his white-haired wife sat at home...

Eisenhower had an affair, too, the randy old goat--bending her over the desk while World War II raged.

Talk about not being able to keep it in your pants!

Then there was Jefferson, fathering a child by a black maid. That's why they call him "Brown Sugar" Jefferson. You should never mention Jefferson without making a lewd reference to this fact.

As for the Republican hopefuls--aren't they mostly serial adulterers? Let's remember to mention their private parts when we're talking about them...

See? You can "pornographize" any President--or anyone else--if you care to sink so low.

And all in an effort to smear Hillary. Get help, my friend.

[Scriptor Ignotus]

31. a smear is when you make something up

stating an unpleasant fact about someone's past behavior and its logical extrapolation is not a smear. this was ten years ago, not fifty or two hundred years ago.

yes, the Republicans are cheaters and divorcees. but Clinton has a stigma all his own on this issue. remember the Clenis.

This is a valid issue to discuss, I'm afraid.

[onenote]

26. I suppose if rudy is the candidate she could respond

by asking whether that question has been posed to Rudy.

[Pirate Smile]

48. Good point.

[hijinx87]

27. no one will give a damn what bill does during a Clinton II administration

he isn't president anymore. it would be a total non-issue.

[Scriptor Ignotus]

29. with our media the way it is you believe that?

a total non-issue? man, you are way, way off.

if Laura Bush got caught banging some dude in the WH coat-room tonight are you trying to tell me that wouldn't be front page news for years?

[hijinx87]

32. absolutely

it would be a political non-issue.

and you insist that I am "way, way off" because the truth
is dismissive of your gossipy point.

can we talk about something that matters?

[Scriptor Ignotus]

42. my opinion of the MSM doesn't matter

everyone knows THEY are gossipy. That's the point.

[hijinx87]

56. when I said "gossipy", I wasn't referring to the MSM story

I was referring to your post.

[hijinx87]

58. if laura bush got caught banging the hat-check boy

she would get the nobel "at least I wasn't fucking *" prize.

[Ethelk2044]

35. They will be all over him trying to find out if he is having affairs

[Perry Logan]

33. I must say, I'm disappointed the admins didn't zap this reprehensible thread. Buncha Republicans!

If you aren't familiar with "The Hunting of the President"--which is both a book and a documentary movie--you might check it out. Zillions of dollars went into smearing Clinton--and the sad results are on display here. The same degenerates who outed a CIA agent and made torture national policy wrote the memes you see repeated in this thread.

The book is by Joel Conason and Gene Lyons. Essential information for all Democrats. Find out how the Right took your President away from you. Those wingers can do anything.

[Scriptor Ignotus]

40. the Lewinsky scandal wasn't a smear

that actually happened.

What is a smear is calling me a Rebpulican for stating a historical fact.

[illinoisprogressive]

36. It did cost Gore dearly. I have thought about this with Bill.

Afterall, he will be at loose ends and he has control problems. Especially with women.
and being in the white house without being the real big shot - is he going to need to do something to sooth the manhood.

[Broke Dad]

37. Re: Hillary brought Bill to Iowa

Hillary is getting her ass kicked in Iowa. She brought Bill out here over the 4th of July to try to stop the bleeding.

Bringing Bill out to campaign for her makes his sexual excesses an issue (sigh) again. If you Hillary fans really want to relive the 90s, I suggest that you buy some 90s music on iTunes and throw a Dick Morris toe sucking party. Invite Bill. I'm sure that you will have a good time.

The fact that you Hillary lovers reacted so violently to this thread tells me that you are just as scared as Bill's staff was in 1992 that one of his Arkansas sweeties would derail his nomination.

Hillary Clinton is Richard Nixon in drag.

[Catherine Vincent]

38. No wonder you're broke. n/t

[Scriptor Ignotus]

41. yea

I wasn't sure what to expect after posting this. Of course, some of the responses attacked my Democract bonafides.

[Boojatta]

43. What if Bill runs in some election somewhere as a Republican?

If he wins, then it becomes a Republican problem.

[Pirate Smile]

44. This is an issue and question lurking with some Democrats whether

people want to admit it or not.

It isn't an unreasonable question either based on past behavior but it must be whispered about and not spoken out loud.

I love Bill Clinton and I kind of assumed he was going to be a good boy when he was in the WH the first time. I wouldn't make that assumption again.

[AZBlue]

45. "Ultimate" as in "last"??

Oh God, please, please, pleaseeeeeeeeeeee!!!!

[ShortnFiery]

46. Beyond all else, including the fact that Bill has not been able to remain faithful since the early

years of their Marriage ... beyond all else, I'm SICK of hearing about *any Clinton* and wish they would just go back to New York State. Bill's had his reign and neither the Bush nor Clinton family qualify as *royalty.*

I don't want any more Bush or Clinton Surnames as our President ... EVER! :(

[Indy_Dem_Defender]

47. I feel the ultimate Hillary Clinton Question

Is will we see another Clinton just signing on the dotted line of a Bush pet project as was the case with NAFTA?

[hot_for_hillary]

49. Bullshit, Gore lost not because of Bill Clinton

What were Clintons favorability numbers when he left office?

[hot_for_hillary]

50. 66% job approval at the end of his term

[ripple]

51. Gore didn't lose. n/t

[Scriptor Ignotus]

52. well he didn't win either - nt

[Scriptor Ignotus]

53. not exclusively because of Bill Clinton

of course not. but explain why Gore distanced himself from Clinton during the 2000 campaign?

[Uncle Joe]

54. The biggest irony, I see with Clinton,

is, the same man that "forgot about tomorrow" irregardless of Fleetwood Mac's 92 Democratic Convention theme song, and carried on an affair with an Intern half his age using cigars in a manner I never dreamed up even when I was an active duty Marine, who risked not only the political future of his loyal subordinate but the health of the Earth as well, would be our nation's very first, First Gentleman.

Regardless of your definition of what the word "is" is, what will our future generations' definition of the word "gentleman" be?

[Rosa Luxemburg]

55. IT wouldn't matter even if he did, Hillary would be respected all the more