New Zogby Poll: Clinton and Obama beat all GOPers!!!

[rinsd]

The telephone survey of likely voters has the former First Lady and New York senator leading all of the top four GOP contenders in prospective races, a significant improvement for her over the last Zogby poll to test such contests in mid–May. Democrat Barack Obama continues to lead those same four contenders – Giuliani, McCain, former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney and candidate–in–waiting Fred Thompson, the former senator from Tennessee – as he did in Zogby’s May survey.

The poll, conducted July 12–14, 2007, included 1,012 likely voters nationwide, and carries a margin of error of +/– 3.1 percentage points.

Clinton’s move over the past two months has been dramatic. Against Giuliani, Clinton has moved from a five–point deficit (Giuliani 48%–Clinton 43%) to a six–point lead, 47%–41%. Among moderates, Clinton expanded a six–point lead in May (48%–42%) to a massive 24–point edge, now leading Giuliani by a 55% to 31% edge. Against McCain, she went from a 49%–45% deficit among moderates to a strapping 52% to 35% lead – and this against the two moderate Republican leaders in the presidential race.

Her move to shore up female support is just as dramatic. For instance, in the contest against Giuliani in May, the two were tied among women at 45%. Now, Clinton leads, 54% to 35%. Against McCain, she expanded her lead from 7% to 10%, edging the Arizona senator, 51% to 41%.

Among independents, she moved from a 47%–39% deficit against McCain to a 46%–36% lead over him. Against Giuliani, Clinton moved from a one–point deficit among independents to a five–point lead.

Sorry forgot the link - http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1338

[SaveElmer]

1. The more voters see Hilllary...

The more they like her...

[Tom Joad]

3. Reagan was loved also.

[Tom Joad]

2. link?

[jackbourassa]

4. What were Obama's numbers?

Another dishonest Clinton post.

I bet he did better, or you would've been all over the fact that she does better.

[ronnykmarshall]

5. Here ya go ....

[jackbourassa]

6. So I guess he did...

lol. Thanks for the confirmation.

[SaveElmer]

9. Pretty clear who has the momentum...and it ain't Obama...

Every race with 2 points...statistically meaningless

Obama is no stronger in a General than Hillary...

[draft_mario_cuomo]

14. Those numbers suggest HRC is stronger in the GE than Obama

Why? HRC is a known quantity. Her numbers will not change much from now until November. Obama, on the other hand, is a blank slate to most of America. As Republicans and the media begin to attack him his unfavorables would rise. If he is only 2 points better than HRC right now it is hard to see an Obama who would have to go through 7-8 months of daily attacks from the right-wing being a better GE candidate than HRC by November.

[Laurab]

20. I think Obama's favorables will go up as people get to know him

and so far, he has been quite good in answering the RW attacks. IMO Hillary will stay basically the same, and his numbers will rise, because, as you said - he is a blank slate to most of America. I think he has far greater repug crossover potential than Hillary, who doesn't have a chance in hell with repukes.

For me, it's easy to see an Obama going through 7-8 months of attacks and coming out strong, and I'm not so sure the attacks against him will be anywhere near the attacks on Hillary who is as hated by the right as * is on the left. She doesn't deserve it, but it's really fact, and that is why I am afraid of her winning the primary. She would be the best get-out-the-vote candidate - unfortunately, for the wrong party.

[SaveElmer]

25. Doubtful...in fact his negatives have been increasing...

As Republicans and right leaning indies realize he is a Democrat...

[Laurab]

34. Time will tell...

You may be right, but I don't think so. The repugs don't seem to like any of their candidates, but I'm pretty sure they already know Obama is a dem - a lot are even backing off from their party. I don't think Hillary has the same crossover appeal - she doesn't deserve the hate she gets from the right, but I do compare it to the exact same way I feel about *. It's there, whether she deserves it or not.

I think Obama will get stronger as time goes on - he's a fast learner, and very, very smart. Hillary is very, very smart, too, but she doesn't have the charisma that her husband, and Obama, share.

I still think we'll see Obama's numbers go up as time goes on. People do need to get to know him, and it's so very early in the process.

Either way it should be interesting.

[ronnykmarshall]

10. Look at the link ..

There are both about the same.

[rinsd]

16. In all fairness I had forgotten to include the link in the OP

[SaveElmer]

18. He was pretty quick to accuse you of dishonesty though...

Not that that was at all unusual

[rinsd]

19. Of course he was. Projection is funny that way.

:hi:

[SaveElmer]

7. I'm sure rinsd will accept your apology...nt

[rinsd]

8. Someone call the whambulance.

I forgot to include the link which is now in the OP.

"I bet he did better, or you would've been all over the fact that she does better.

Right now his advantage over McCain is 1 pt better, his advantage over Giuliani is 1 pt worse, his advantage over Romney is 4pts better and his advantage over Thompson is 2 pts better.

Obama's leads were larger in May though only by a few points.

[ronnykmarshall]

11. In other words ....

they both are leading about the same.

Good god!

We don't need a whambulance .... we need a whole damn hospital.

[SaveElmer]

22. He thinks by starting a new thread...

He can hide the fact it is Hillary with the momentum here...

[ronnykmarshall]

29. Oh that one's a classic!

And trying to get a little snippy with me? People best know not to fuck with a queen.

[SaveElmer]

12. Look like Edwards is losing his electability talking point...

Loses to Guiliani and ties McCain in this poll..

[draft_mario_cuomo]

13. If other polls back this one up

This is not the first time that Edwards did not do the best in GE matchups. The difference has been that overall Edwards most often fares the best against Republicans. If that changes then the talking point (one that Obama has also used) will no longer be valid.

[rinsd]

15. His Rasmussen numbers dropped last time they did his head to head.

http://rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/giuliani_and_thompson_gain_ground_on_edwards

I want to be clear while I have always argued against the meme that Edwards was the only one electable, he still should beat the GOP. He's even with Rudy and still way ahead of McCain, Romney & Thompson.

(you have to scroll down for Edwards)

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/national.html

[draft_mario_cuomo]

27. I believe all three are electable--just that JE has the best chance

I think the notion that HRC is unelectable has been shattered by recent polling.

[SaveElmer]

17. I suspect...

This parallels his drop in primary numbers...

He is in a precarious position...if one goes up the other should as well...but he needs to get back on track quickly

[draft_mario_cuomo]

31. I agree

This is definitely the nadir thus far for the Edwards campaign. If he is in the same position by Labor Day I will be worried. I hope he makes up some ground by Labor Day and then moves into second place when most people begin paying attention after Labor Day.

One thing that is overlooked in assessments of Edwards polling is that his peak numbers are deceptively high. Why? He received a sympathy bounce after Elizabeth Edwards cancer announcement. His real support was never 18% nationally and 26% in NH. Still, he is below his national averages (albeit not by much) and way below his NH average in recent polls. His NH decline seems to be due to him criticizing HRC and BO during the early June debate in NH. His numbers in NH plummeted after that. I think as memories of that recede and people begin to focus more on the issues he should at least recover to his usual level of support in NH. The question is can he expand beyond that and emerge as a threat to win NH? I am optimistic he can.

[ronnykmarshall]

23. You know what I like about you?

You don't throw a shit fit when someone post a poll that might suggest Edwards not doing well.

I've never seen the Gang of Four (or is it five) Obama supporters that shit on every HRC thread do that.

[draft_mario_cuomo]

32. Thanks

:hi: I like to consider myself a member of the reality-based community. ;)

P.S. I think it is 5. ;)

[ronnykmarshall]

35. yeah there's a new one in the group.

Likes to throw 4th grade insults about erections, viagra. Real classy stuff like that.

[Scriptor Ignotus]

21. this is good news for all Dems... eom

[rinsd]

24. It really is especially combined with other poll info

Such as generic Dems beating generic GOP, undecided being the biggest GOP vote getter, the GOP's astonishing burn rate when they are lagging in fudnraising.

Its not time to rest on our laurels but there is shitload to be optimistic about.

[SaveElmer]

26. Seems Obamatons aren't too happy...

Its like they would rather see Hillary behind than be glad all dems are ahead...

[Scriptor Ignotus]

28. I'm an Obamaton

and would prefer to see him in front, but I do see the bigger picture as well.

[ronnykmarshall]

30. The bigger picture is very PURDY!!

We have a group of fantastic candidates. I'm feeling a major donkey kicking some elephant ass in 2008.

[SaveElmer]

33. Well then you would be classified as an Obamanian...

:-)

[flpoljunkie]

36. All 3 top Dems match up well with the Republicans. There's a reason UNDECIDED came in 1st in recent

AP poll of Republican presidential candidates. They all pretty much stink!

[Ethelk2044]

40. he will be in the lead when it is time.

[Spearman87]

37. I wish they would just stop polling Zombies!

Every other day, its "New Zombie poll out, Hillary wins!", etc, etc.

They're just trying to lull us to sleep! Sure, zombies think this is a done deal, but we know better! We must stay vigilant!!


Opps! That said "Zogby" poll, not Zombie

<<in my best Roseanne, Roseanna Danns voice>>

Never Miiiiiind............

[ronnykmarshall]

38. That's Emily Litella

not RRD.

[Spearman87]

39. Thanks, LOL. I googled that name and sure enough

the Wikepedia entry came up that explains all the Gilda Radner characters. I didn't even know she was supposed to be hard of hearing, and that that was causing the misunderstandings. Of course I was only 13 years when the original cast started work :) ......still my favorite though.