Harry Reid Cringe?

[Joz]

I didn't like him anyway, but has Harry Reid had anyone else cringing lately when you've heard him use the fair "up or down vote" phrase?.. Just reminds me so much of Bill Frist and the days of the nuclear option. I hoped he'd be better than to use that sort of stupid rhetoric.

[NYCGirl]

1. No, I'm quite proud of him lately. NT

[Captain Hilts]

2. He's just throwin' their crap back at them. 'Social reciprocity' it's called. nt

[Joz]

3. I'm more of a fan of "don't stoop to their level" n/t

[Harper_is_Bush]

7. How is he stooping to their level? n/t

[Joz]

8. Cause he's using bill frist's exact same argument, in the same type of situation

of which he was so highly critical when he was in the minority. Using republican dumbed-down rhetoric. "Up or down vote, you should be able to have an up or down vote"... where before he was arguing about how this is the senate and thats not how it works here.

[Harper_is_Bush]

9. It's a phrase, not an "argument".

I think you're being a little overly critical of something quite innocuous.

[Joz]

11. Sorry man, just turning on the radio and hearing him say that lame old line..

made me grit my teeth. I'm sure nobody here would enjoy Obama/Hillary/Edwards as president saying "we're gonna smoke him out". I always thought it was a lame argument/phrase. Just heard it, was wondering if anybody else cringed, thats all.

[Harper_is_Bush]

12. Hardly the same. But again, I just think you're being too judgemental.

No need to apologize though.

[Harper_is_Bush]

4. Is that particular phrase your only complaint, or are there other things about him you cringe at? nt

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[Harper_is_Bush]

15. "he's got that pussy way about him". Maybe you need to work on yourself.

Sorry man, that's just how I see it.

Give Americans more credit and don't buy into the Republican "we're men, they're not" bs.

Harry Reid isn't acting like a macho man (like Bush), but that's OK because the macho men are the ones who've gotten the USA so fucked up. He comes accross as a thinking man, and if that makes him seem like a "pussy" to you then ok...but consider that perhaps YOU are the one with a problem, not him.

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[Harper_is_Bush]

17. sounds like you need new friends. n/t

[Joz]

18. Again, why? I described my friends, they are called "normal men".

[Harper_is_Bush]

20. Uh huh, right. Spare me the anecdotes about your friends.

It's not really relavent.

I could just as easily say that all my friends think Reid is smart/cunning/brave. It means nothing.

[Joz]

21. It is completely relevant

You are not seeing the big picture or answering my questions. You COULD say that about your friends, but you haven't, and are your friends the regular male?

I'm asserting to you that men in the majority have voted republican in the last couple presidential elections and asked you why that is? Your response was that my friends are irrelevant, even though they represent the exact reason that the standard male american has not been voting democrat.

[Harper_is_Bush]

25. You said your friends voted Dem in '04. Why?

Why did all those regular guys vote for a party with so many pussies running around?

You're arguing that the Democratic party should attempt to become superficial in order to appease the superficial desires of an electorate. You fail to give any credit to Americans to un-dumb-down themselves after the experiences they've endured for the last 6+ years.

Instead of assuming that Americans will continue to be idiots and complain that a Democratic leader doesn't strike you as manly enough, why not look for the positive and the worthy attributes in the man and talk to your friends about them?

Don't participate in the dumbing down of America, as you've done with this thread.

[Joz]

27. Because they're actually smart.

My friends, I suppose I should correct, are "typical well educated men". The people that put bush back into office are the ones who are not so well educated, the less educated typical male. It's the same issue of being able to respect a man, just that when you have a moron like bush in office and you are smart, you vote for the other guy regardless.

[Harper_is_Bush]

36. Well, if your friends are.....as you say.....

A. Normal males/typical swing voters. and....
B. typical well educated men, not likely to put people BACK in office who are not so well educated.

then we really don't have anything to worry about, do we?

Harry Reid can enjoy a level of "pussiness" and we don't have to fear that well educated swing voters like your friends will be so glarinly stupid as to put Republicans back in the white house after they've proven themselfs "not so well educated".

Or are your friends not smart enough to place more importance on ability than a perception of machoism?

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[Harper_is_Bush]

63. "my well educated friends see the democrats as a bunch of pussies"

I think you're on the wrong forum tough guy.

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[Harper_is_Bush]

19. And by the way, John Kerry was not "too scared to talk back to the sbvt"

It speaks volumes about the narrow and shallow way you're seeing people for you to say that.

John Kerry made a political calculation - a bad one that he was advised to make - not to answer those shitbags.

People need to be who they are. That's what voters expect and respect. Harry Reid is doing just fine.

And Howard Dean and Barrack Obama are not "macho men". They're geniune men, with strength and ability....like Harry Reid.

[Joz]

24. Which is exactly the problem

He won't say what's in his gut, he'll go and make a politically calculated decision instead, which isn't even made by him.. thats the kind of guy we can all look up to! Man, i wanna vote for him!! He really knows how to stick up for himself and defend himself, and he'll do a great job defending all of us. *pulls lever for bush* That is what happened. (not by me of course, because I follow politics).

I would be way nervous talking crap to Dean or Obama. Harry Reid is a librarian.

[LittleClarkie]

74. "He won't say what's in his gut" Horsehockey.

There were times he calculated. There were times he exploded. There were times he was near tears. If you think he never speaks from his gut then you don't pay attention to him much, which is a problem.

Meanwhile, Harry Reid took on the mob in his own state. If you think he's a "pussy" that's your problem. I assure you he's not.

[Blue_In_AK]

5. I appreciate him using that term...

The Rs need to be reminded of how often they used that phrase when they were the majority.

[frogcycle]

6. I laugh when he uses that term

because of a great joke built around it

[ShortnFiery]

10. Is Reid's wife still an functioning Lobbyist? If "yes" then why is he our Majority Leader?

All I see are CORRUPT politicians and their families at the Government money trough. :grr: :(

[paulk]

23. do you have any proof Harry Reid is "corrupt"?

or do you just post accusations about elected Democrats

well...

just because?

[ShortnFiery]

32. Oh stop, ole' Harry Reid made sure that his wife, et. al. were grandfathered - that is corrupt. nt

[paulk]

38. do you have any proof that Harry Reid is "corrupt"?

No, really.

If you're going to post accusations like that you need to lay out the case.

In detail.


Otherwise -

well... people might begin to suspect your motivations on this board...

making unfounded charges of corruption against elected Democrats and all.

[Alexander]

14. Well, the Republicans DID eventually get their "up or down votes"...

So it's only fair that we should get ours.

He's pointing out their hypocrisy. That's all.

[Tarheel_Dem]

22. Most offensive post of the night....n/t

[Joz]

26. Oh I'm sorry, did I step on your daisy?

Wow, this is the most offensive post of the night!? Wow.. I didn't like what harry reid said, time to cuddle up in a ball and start rocking.

[brook]

28. Anybody know what's the best

fertilizer to use on astro-turf? I'm thinking of growing my own ball park.

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[Joz]

35. I didn't mean to stir.

I don't come around to stir up, I didn't even intend to do that, I thought I was going to get some "yeah, that was lame" responses honestly. I didn't know harry reid was the champion democrat and I guess we cannot criticize any democrats and instead should be worshiping them all.

Well it is quite ridiculous that me saying I didn't like something harry reid said was the most offensive post to you of the evening. Yeah that guy sounds pretty on point actually that you referred to. Maybe me and him will get together and get some true liberals in office, so that the dems can find their balls and stop going along with what bush wants and declaring it a victory. Thanks for the referral, hope you'll be able to get over all the offense my post has caused you.

[Tarheel_Dem]

44. Oh so you assumed that every post would be in agreement with

your OP? Oh I see, because i disagree with your verbage, calling Harry Reid a "pussy"...I mean that's over the line. I know you guys wish you could dust off "The Duke" and prop his dead ass up in the WH, but that ain't gonna happen. You've got your preconceived notions of what a "man" should be, and I've got mine.

If your posts in this thread are any indication, sounds as if you've got some issues of your own.

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[Harper_is_Bush]

75. Defending Bush now!

Soon, we will be rid of your nonsense. You're too much man for DU. :)

[Harper_is_Bush]

31. step on his daisy? What is your malfunction?

Are you taking steroids or something?

Maybe turn off your computer and go curl up in a ball with your pillow and sleep it off.

[Joz]

37. No roids. They shrink your balls, or is it just the wee-wee?

My malfunction? I said i didn't like something harry reid said, and somebody was extremely offended by that, who has the malfunction here?

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[Joz]

52. Everything you said is exactly true

Yeah I agree 100% with your message here.

But you are wrong about your subject. In my ORIGINAL POST, which is what I said, I came said that I didn't like something Harry Reid said. Thats the truth.

[Harper_is_Bush]

71. So you're not accountable for everything you said beyond your original post?

You're evading and pussy-footing around what you've said. A man faces his words and his actions.

You attempting to judge the manliness of a man like Harry Reid is a sad irony.

[Bonobo]

29. I disagree. I'm never offended by ignorance, just saddened.

[ShortnFiery]

33. There's no ignorance. Both Reid and Pelosi are gutless! Nothing is changing.

Why do you think that Congress has a lower approval rating than even Dear Leader?

Yes, it's because they are GUTLESS!

[Joz]

39. Thank-you! n/t

[Tarheel_Dem]

50. See told ya...you'd finally get someone to agree with you...

[Joz]

53. ;-) Good to see there are true patriots in the party. nt

[Tarheel_Dem]

58. I've got another name for the two of you.....n/t

but it'd get deleted.

[Joz]

61. I have a question for you.

Is Jon Stewart offensive to you, have you written him letters about how he is offensive?

[Tarheel_Dem]

70. At times yes, he too can be offensive to me....

but the number of times you've used words like "balls", "pussy", "manhood" in this one thread just speaks volumes about you. I agree with another poster in this thread that if you're as unhappy as you sound, maybe it's time you reconciled with your "former" party.

Your posts literally ooze with contempt for Democrats, especially male Democrats.

[Harper_is_Bush]

73. "True patriots" huh. that sounds like the Bush rhetoric you railed against earlier.

[Harper_is_Bush]

41. What do you know about the reasons for that poll number?

Nothing.

[Heath Hatcher]

45. Gutless?

Yeah okay.Just keep telling yourself that and i'll keep telling you there decent leaders;) ;) . As for Reid's corruption, the only shady things that come to mind was some news stories that were reported last year with some land deal and Reid accepting boxing tickets but besides that I don't know.

[ShortnFiery]

49. Oh I forgot the complete title they live down to so far: make that GUTLESS WONDERS!

:evilgrin:

Lord knows that I'd love to be proven wrong ... just once. :shrug:

[Heath Hatcher]

54. Well if you don't like our leaders

Then just leave the party. Sorry to be rude but were in a position that we need all our voters on board for 2008 and if you don't like how the party is being runned and you think our leaders our "gutless wonders" then leave and become an indy because your either with us or againist us.

[Harper_is_Bush]

57. Exactly. It's fine for people to disagree with leadership, but that kind of insultive condemnation

is indicitive of a broken relationship. The poster should join the macho/manly/gutsiness of the Republican party.

[Joz]

67. Exactly what we said man

We both said why can't we have both, and you've completely shown yourself to be a fake. You just stated that macho/manly/gutsy guys should join the Republican party when one minute ago you apparently put a fake face on and said we could be both. Nice job, I'm done wasting my time arguing with someone so narrow minded, goodbye!

[Heath Hatcher]

72. IDW Joz

I think the Democrats are finally trying to appeal to the mainly/macho type men as we saw in the 2006 election. I mean look in the Senate with Jon Tester and Jim Webb and Brad Ellsworth, Joe Donnelly and Heath Shuler, would you consider those type of Democrats that can reach out to the manly macho men type voters?

[Joz]

59. What a great attitude

Yeah lets just leave the party cause we don't like harry reid and how the party is being "runned", that'll fix the country.

[ShortnFiery]

62. No, let's change the party by Voting the Bums Out? nt

[Heath Hatcher]

64. How bout no

There's nothing wrong with the party although your kinda of right cause there are a couple of Dems I would like to see get thrown out for improvement like Dianne Feinstein and Joe Lieberman for example but not Harry Reid.

[Heath Hatcher]

66. Isn't it a great attitude?

I like it.

[Harper_is_Bush]

55. And you're a well of worthless insults. Yee ha.

[Tarheel_Dem]

34. Judging from the OP's responses in this hideous thread....

he fancies himself (and his "FRIENDS") as some sort of "he-men"; either that or they're attracted to "he-men". But that's the Republican party for you...always looking for a Daddy.

[Joz]

40. Right..

So I suppose your goal is to have any guys that have an ounce of manhood leave the party and go to the republicans? Or rather, keep them all there and assemble a party exclusively of hippies, tree-huggers, and pacifists? Good luck winning elections with that huge group. Narrow-f'in-minded.

[Harper_is_Bush]

42. You paint other posters in such a dishonest way.

You did the same "I suppose you want...." thing to me.

Answer this....you refer to this "manhood" thing.

We get to choose, according to you, between "hippies, tree-huggers, and pacifists" and people (actually, "guys") with "manhood".

Simply put, you're fucked. I won't even bother explaining to you anymore why that is, because it's not getting through. Good luck.

[Joz]

46. And why do we have to choose?

This is exactly my point, you seem to be drawing some sort of line between the two, where thats NOT what the party is about. Why should we not have hippies, tree-huggers, pacifists, as well as military men, tough guys, harley owners, and people of all walks of life in the party? It's like that lame mentality of some dems that are like "OMG, you can't own a gun and be a democrat!" Ridiculous.

[Harper_is_Bush]

51. Why can't hippies, tree-huggers, and pacifists also be manly?

I am called a tree-hugger by people, because I'm concerned about the environment.

I'm also a tough nut. I'm BOTH, understand?

And I'm not unique.

So, maybe - just maybe - you need to consider a wider understanding of the people in this world. You seem to have what you described as a "dumbed-down" impression of reality.

[Joz]

56. Uhmmm, so am I

I am a tree hugger too. I'm a tough nut to. I'm BOTH also. I totally understand, that was my point wasn't it, why can't we have both, or be both? I was trying to get the poster on this particular thread to get a wider understanding. You hoped in here and took over for some reason, even though you agree with what I'm saying.

[Harper_is_Bush]

65. post 42 clearly made the point that they're mutually exclusive.

You've been hoisted on your own peetard.

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[ShortnFiery]

69. Oh so the patriots of "The Boston Tea Party" didn't kiss the British Asses ... wow!

I guess if folks with your attitude were in their place back then, we'd be playing "God Save The Queen?" :eyes: