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TeamJordan23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 10:33 PM
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Wash Post: Hillary Clinton's Promises, or Lack Thereof
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/campaign-trail/2007/07/clintons_proposal_beyond_plan.html

Clinton's Promises, or Lack Thereof

Before an enthusiastic crowd of at least 500 Planned Parenthood supporters at the Ritz-Carlton on Tuesday, Sen. Hillary Clinton pitched her plans to improve women's health care if elected president.

Yet she left out any mention of universal health care -- a system she has promised to establish if elected. Four months ago, Clinton said, "We're going to have universal health care when I'm president, there's no doubt about that. We're going to get it done."

At the Take Back America Conference in June, Planned Parenthood Federation of America president Cecile Richards described universal health coverage as the "number one domestic issue" facing the nation.

Planned Parenthood endorsed Clinton's bid for the Senate in 2000 but has yet to endorse a candidate seeking election in 2008.

Last night, Clinton acted as if that were not a priority on her agenda, vowing instead to increase funding for Title X, a service that affords lower-income women to receive contraception and fight sexually transmitted diseases, and proposed sending emergency contraception to the armed services.

Meanwhile, just hours before, Sen. Barack Obama offered just the dose of universal health care rhetoric Planned Parenthood supporters may yearn for, vowing to provide universal health care for all Americans by the end of his first term.

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Ethelk2044 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 10:35 PM
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1. Go Obama
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illinoisprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 10:55 PM
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2. I honestly do not think she will do universal healthcare.
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TeamJordan23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 11:09 PM
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3. I am still waiting for her health care plan. Where is the beef? nm
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 04:31 AM
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13. Shw is on a 'listening' tour---wants to find out what the people want before
she sets out a firmer position on health care----she said this when she started her campaign
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sueh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 11:22 PM
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4. I don't think she will, either.
There isn't anything concrete on her website that indicates her plan or proposal to get all Americans covered. Maybe that will come when she officially announces??? :eyes:
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draft_mario_cuomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 11:32 PM
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6. If she doesn't she will not be the first major Dem candidate not to propose universal healthcare
;)

She will unveil her plan later this year. As I have said since the beginning we should reserve judgment until she proposes her plan. For what it's worth, she says she will propose universal health care. Of course, I recall another popular candidate saying his plan would be universal too but then when the actual plan was announced the sad news came that it would leave at least 15 million uninsured. Let's hope HRC proposes universal health care and not a Third Way-type proposal.
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TeamJordan23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 11:35 PM
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7. Another anti-Obama lame assertion. Where was Edward's universal healthcare plan 4 years ago? nt
Edited on Wed Jul-18-07 11:35 PM by TeamJordan23
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draft_mario_cuomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 11:37 PM
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8. How so? What exactly do you disagree with?
Thanks in advance. I look forward to your analysis.

Edwards in 2003-2004? I didn't pay much attention to him then. Why? I supported another candidate.
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TeamJordan23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 11:42 PM
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9. The campaign is on record saying that should it fall short of 100% coverage, they are committed
to do whatever is necessary to achieve 100% coverage.
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draft_mario_cuomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 11:44 PM
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10. LOL
Vote for us and then we'll tell you how we will achieve universal health care. We promise. Honest.

So even you concede he has not proposed universal health care. Yet, you criticize HRC because she has not unveiled her plan for universal health care yet? :rofl:
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TeamJordan23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 11:51 PM
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11. Under their calculations, they cover everyone. One source said they fall short. And Obama haters
like you ran with that. So of course, the campaign has to address it if they get asked questions. That is why they said, if it does fall short, they will make sure that those uninsured are covered.

It's like saying Edward's poverty plan will get XXX amount of people out of poverty. And I'm sure Edwards and his team strongly believe that. But in reality, some things don't ever pan out the way you think, so you gotta be REALISTIC about it.

So Obama (who is not a stupid guy) and his health care policy advisors (who are also not stupid) determine they will cover anyone.

While a media soure (I think it was maybe New Republic - I forgot) thought he would come up short.

I'm sorry, I will take Obama's word over some media story.
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draft_mario_cuomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 12:53 AM
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12. Really? This is news to me...
Edited on Thu Jul-19-07 12:57 AM by draft_mario_cuomo
==Under their calculations, they cover everyone. One source said they fall short. And Obama haters
Posted by TeamJordan23


like you ran with that==

That is very interesting. I posted a thread about his health care plan and included the New Republic analysis of it. Guess what? No Obama supporter debunked the claims in the article. Few, if any, whined about the article. So if you have some information that debunks the TNR analysis please share it. In the article Obama's own advisers are not disputing the basic claim that his proposal is not truly universal...They simply say that under their rosy scenario (and we know how rosy scenarios by politicians often turn out!) they can cover 2/3 of the uninsured and promise to return to the issue and cover the remaining 1/3 after they are given the keys to the White House....

==But there are some differences between what Obama and Edwards have proposed. And by far the biggest, most important one is the fact that Edwards has a "mandate" in his plan: He would require every single American to get insurance. That means his plan is truly "universal." Obama says he, too, is committed to covering everybody by 2012. And he has a mandate that all children get insurance. But there is no similar mandate on adults. There is, in other words, no requirement that every adult American have health insurance. And that means his plan is not universal--at least not in the same sense that Edwards and his advisers mean it.

Why does this matter? Obama's advisers, for what it's worth, think it doesn't. Not much, anyway. They believe that their initiative will help cover most Americans within two or three years. After that, they say, they can come back to the problem and, following through on Obama's promise, cover that relatively small portion of the population that still doesn't have coverage. If that requires passing some sort of mandate then, so be it. They're prepared to do so.

I think they mean it. But can they do it? The best studies out there--by Urban Institute researchers, the RAND Corporation, and MIT economist Jonathan Gruber--suggest that, without a mandate, improving affordability will cover roughly one-third of the people who don't have coverage. Mandating that kids (but not adults) have coverage bumps that up to about a half. Obama's advisers think that, by really loading up on the subsidies--and making enrollment a lot easier by, for example, having an automatic enrollment with voluntary opt-out at your place of work--they can goose that up to two-thirds. But that's getting optimistic--and, even then, you still have around 15 million people who are uninsured.

In other words, the "mop-up" job at the end would quite likely be more than a mop-up. It'd be a substantial task, maybe even a huge one. That's why most health care experts believe you can't get that close to universal coverage without some sort of a mandate.==

http://www.tnr.com/doc.mhtml?i=w070528&s=cohn053107
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jackbourassa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 11:38 AM
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14. Neither do I...
It's like that saying, "Once bitten, twice shy." That'll describe Hillary on Health Care.
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paulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 11:29 PM
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5. kind of a hit piece from the Wash Post
I would say I expect better from them....

but, I don't.
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