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Heath Hatcher Donating Member (394 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 11:43 PM
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Reid pulls Department of Defense bill
Well this is very interesting move by our leader:


Reid pulls the DoD bill
By Manu Raju and Elana Schor
July 19, 2007
Senate Democrats pulled a major defense bill from the floor yesterday over bitter Republican protests, prompting a meltdown of relations and further clouding prospects for bipartisan accord on Iraq.

Signaling a growing rift between Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) and Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.), the two could not agree which measure to consider next after Democrats’ abrupt decision to set aside the fiscal 2008 defense authorization bill.

Republicans first blocked proceeding to a $38 billion homeland-security spending bill, forcing Reid to file the 44th cloture motion of this Congress to move on to the bill early next week. Democrats then were barely able to bring up a popular student loan bill, approving by a one-vote margin a motion to proceed to the measure. The Senate was only able to move to that bill because of budget rules prohibiting filibusters on the measure.

“At the risk of sounding like a broken record, this is extraordinarily discouraging,” Reid said on the floor.

“The Senate is spiraling into the ground to a degree that I have never seen before, and I’ve been here a long time,” said Minority Whip Trent Lott (R-Miss.). “All modicum of courtesy has gone out the window.”

But Democrats said Republican threats to filibuster Iraq-related amendments indicate that McConnell is worried that more and more Republicans are moving toward the Democratic position.

“I understand McConnell’s position. He’s losing control of his caucus on this matter,” said Majority Whip Dick Durbin (D-Ill.) “He’s trying to protect the president.”

The procedural jostling came after a rare overnight session in which Democrats sought to dramatize overwhelming Republican opposition to an amendment, offered by Sens. Carl Levin (Mich.) and Jack Reed (R.I.), which would have required most troops to leave Iraq by next April. Republicans blocked a vote on that amendment, 52-47, falling short of the 60 votes needed to shut down debate and move toward final passage.

Four Republicans voted for the cloture motion to end the debate, including Susan Collins, the Maine Republican up for reelection who is facing intense backlash in her home state. The senior senator from Maine, Republican Olympia Snowe, who co-sponsored the amendment, also voted for cloture, as did anti-war Republican Chuck Hagel of Nebraska and Gordon Smith, a co-sponsor who faces a tough reelection battle in Oregon.

But Collins does not support the amendment itself, and said she only voted for cloture because of her opposition to a Republican filibuster blocking the measure from receiving an up-or-down vote.

Collins, who has sponsored an amendment with Nebraska Democrat Ben Nelson to call for a change in course in Iraq with a “goal” of withdrawing troops by next March, joined her Republican colleagues in lambasting Reid for setting the measure aside.

“I think Senator Reid’s position is completely inconsistent,” Collins said. “On the one hand, he chastises Republicans for not allowing the vote, but he’s the one who’s pulling the bill from the floor and thus precluding further consideration of all of the Iraq amendments that we have pending.”

McConnell, who at the beginning of the year highlighted his tight relations with Reid, said he was informed of the decision to remove the bill from the floor only moments before the majority leader announced that plan.

Other moderate Republican senators joined in the fray, but on a more personal level. Sen. Arlen Specter (R-Pa.) said Reid was interrupting him on the floor, calling him “rude, to say the minimum.”

Sen. Lamar Alexander (R-Tenn.) said Reid was not working “hard enough” at achieving consensus, and he condemned the majority leader for not giving consideration to a bipartisan measure that he cosponsored with 13 other senators to implement the 2006 Iraq Study Group recommendations.

But Democrats were defiant, criticizing Republicans for siding with President Bush’s failing war policy rather than helping troops get out of harm’s way. They said they would bring the bill back to the floor but only after Republicans agree to a timeline for a troop withdrawal, throwing into question whether any bipartisan consensus could be reached by the Senate.

“Anything short of a timetable is interesting, but not effective,” said Durbin.

But the prospect of the defense bill’s collapse may increase Republican unity against a key amendment of the student-loan measure, which is currently on the floor.

Many in the student-loan industry were eyeing Nelson, whose state is home to lending giant Nelnet, for a possible vote against starting the reconciliation clock. While Nelson voted with his party, he and Sen. Richard Burr (R-N.C.) plan to offer an amendment to temper the bill’s effect on private banks that offer student loans.

The student-loan bill, which reconciliation rules shield from a filibuster, would increase the maximum Pell Grant while capping loan payments to 15 percent of a borrower’s income. To pay for those benefits, the bill would trim more than $17 billion in student-loan subsidies for banks — a frightening scenario for an industry that was hit even harder in the House version.

Nelson and Burr would go easier on for-profit lending companies by having the bill’s cuts apply equally to non-profit and for-profit lenders. Burr predicted a “very, very close vote” on the amendment, and Nelson said his vote on the reconciliation bill is “very much contingent” on his amendment passing.

But Senate Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Committee Chairman Edward Kennedy (D-Mass.) is likely to whip against the amendment, counting on a coalition of Democrats and centrist Republicans to bring it down.

“We’ve heard the arguments from the big lenders,” Kennedy said. “They claim that if Congress reduces their subsides … they’ll be forced to reduce the benefits they offer to borrowers on student loans. But the grant aid in this bill dwarfs any
benefit a lender could offer on a loan.”

The reconciliation bill has become a hotbed of anxiety for stock market watchers. Wall Street watched in horror last week as the private-equity firm planning to take over Sallie Mae — the country’s biggest student-loan company — said Congress may torpedo the buyout deal by approving steep subsidy cuts.


Roxana Tiron contributed to this story.

http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/reid-pulls-the-dod-bill-2007-07-19.html

I kinda agree with what the GOP were saying that in the past he was flip-flopping his position in Iraq but I think all that changed when he went out and said: "The war is lost". I don't know really what to say about this.

Thoughts?
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Kagemusha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 12:07 AM
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1. Uh what are Republicans upset about?... They won, didn't they?
The filibuster succeeded, they busted the Democrats up, they carried the day... where did all this whining come from? What bothers them about this? I mean, I expected posturing and lording it over the Democrats but.. what, there's something more to it than that?
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 12:16 AM
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2. No worries, I'm sure Reid or Durbin will apologize for it tomorrow.
:eyes:

Since Dear Leader was SELECTED, I've not ever seen ANY Democratic Senator put themselves "on the line" without either fully backing down and/or apologizing profusely. :( ... Heaven forbid they not get re-elected because that's all that's seemingly important in "their little world." :grr:
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Heath Hatcher Donating Member (394 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 12:19 AM
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3. Is that all you do
Critize our leaders on everything they do, your like a broken record..jesus.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 12:38 AM
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4. No, Jesus has nothing to do with this. We have no TRUE leaders in Reid or Pelosi.
Nothing productive is being accomplished - if they do not take FIRM STANDS - pull out all the stops (Mr. Smith Goes to Washington Style), we should vote all the Democratic "leadership" out to their next primary contender ... REGARDLESS of their Seniority.

I don't know if you have noticed but we are in a FIVE STAR - Constitutional Crisis ***** ... right here! ... right now!

The Congress has bottomed out in approval ratings because they are NOT doing the will of their constituents but being "paid off" by Pentagon and K Street interests.

IMO, they either do their damn jobs OR they lose their seats to their next Democratic Challengers.

Yes, the democratic "leadership" is GUTLESS! We all know it and we MUST hold them accountable for their cowardice.
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Heath Hatcher Donating Member (394 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 12:42 AM
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5. Well if you don't like our leaders
Then just leave the party because your either with us or againist us. Politics is always gonna be alittle dirty, there's no perfect way to say that but it's true. I think our leaders are doing a decent job and thats all what matters.

And since you can't reason with me on this, i'm done talking to you..good bye.
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 12:45 AM
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7. Why are some people so quick to kick
people out of this mythical thing called "the Party"???

All one has to do to be a member is to register as a "Democrat"...

Or is there a requirement to conform to the diktat of some "purity police" before one can register "Democrat"...

I don't remember being vetted down at the Motor Vehicles Division when I "signed up"...
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Heath Hatcher Donating Member (394 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 12:47 AM
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9. Sorry Proud dad
When I mean "The Party" I mean the Democratic Party. what I should say is: "If you don't like how the Democratic Party is runned then leave it, your eith with us or againist."

Think I cleared that up Proud Dad?
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 12:46 AM
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8. "your either with us or againist us" - hum? who else gives such ultimatums?
;) Nice. But this is America and The Democratic, not Nazi Party. Therefore, I'll work within The Democratic Party to vote out all these GUTLESS WONDERS ... No, I'm here and part of the party - the part that the DLC despises: A liberal democrat. :-) :hi:
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silverojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 01:32 AM
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12. I'm a moderate Democrat
And I'm sure the DLC hates me, too. ;)

As Tip O'Neill once said (and I'm paraphrasing here), if the Democratic Party were in Europe, it would be SEVERAL parties. We don't march in lockstep with our leaders. We leave that to the Repukes.
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Heath Hatcher Donating Member (394 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 01:42 AM
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13. Well if your gonna go after quote on quote
"Gutless wonders" might I start suggesting going after Sens. Joe Lieberman, Dianne Feinstein and possibly Bill Nelson, those people can go under the term "gutless wonders". And there's nothing wrong with the phrase "either with us or againist us" it's a good phrase that I use quite often
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silverojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 01:30 AM
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10. You're either with us or against us???
The last time I heard somebody say that, his name was George W. Bush. :mad:

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Heath Hatcher Donating Member (394 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 01:32 AM
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11. I'll be honest with you
I hate Dubya to death but that quote really stuck with me afterwards.
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 12:42 AM
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6. Kinda cool
let 'em twist in the wind...
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