Gallup: Clinton most "acceptable" as a candidate in Democratic field

[wyldwolf]

Clinton has maintained a solid lead over her competitors for the Democratic nomination in Gallup's polls throughout the year. However, about as many Democrats say they would find Obama (78%) or Edwards (77%) as acceptable choices for the 2008 Democratic presidential nominee as say this about Clinton (82%). Former Vice President Al Gore, who may yet enter the race, would be acceptable to 72% of Democrats.

Most Democrats have shown little or no gain in their acceptability ratings compared with last year. The exceptions are Clinton, whose ratings have increased 11 percentage points, and Edwards, with an 8-percentage point increase. Gallup did not test Obama, who began pursuing a presidential bid in the fall, in last year's poll.

June 2007 (June

New York Senator, Hillary Clinton

Acceptable: 82% Unacceptable: 17%

Illinois Senator, Barack Obama

Acceptable: 78% Unacceptable: 19%

Former North Carolina Senator, John Edwards

Acceptable: 77% Unacceptable 21%

http://www.galluppoll.com/content/?ci=28162

[Forkboy]

1. "Every one in the margin of error."

- SaveElmer 7-18-07

[wyldwolf]

4. which is why the excerpt I posted said "about as many."

[ShortnFiery]

7. Hello learned opponent, how 'bout posting the truth instead? *Statistical Dead Heat* nt

[wyldwolf]

9. mere semantics

The article quoted said "about as many." The stats show that to be the case. That is the same as saying "statistical dead heat."

[ShortnFiery]

6. Lies, Damn Lies, and that from the HRC fronted - Frank Luntz School of Smarmy Statistical Analysis.

:thumbsdown:



I would ask HRC's supporters if they had *no shame,* but the PAT answer is way too obvious. :eyes:

[wyldwolf]

11. so Gallup has been "infiltrated?"

[ShortnFiery]

13. No, it's not Gallup but those who choose to *skew* dead heat results into victory for HRC. :-)

That's the problem: Those who take polls that are within the margin of error and formulate a skewed headline ... when in actuality - every Democratic Contender is equally viable. But Shh! Don't let the fact get in the way of erroneously influencing the public. ;)

[wyldwolf]

14. "about as many" = "statistical dead heat."

[ShortnFiery]

41. The "about as many" which is NOT = "statistical dead heat" is conveniently missing from VISIBILITY.....

within the thread title. Oh, I'm sure that was just a INNOCENT oversight. :eyes: :(

The slimes that pattern themselves after a cross between KKKarl Rove and Frank Luntz would be so proud of you. ;)

[wyldwolf]

51. are you blind?

My post clearly has "about as many" in it. Further, a statistical dead heat means a difference is mere percentage points. "About as many" clearly meets the definition of "mere percentage points."

This new meme among "progressives" that people are trying to fool them by not including parts of LINKED TO articles and not high lighting words THEY THINK should be high lighted is almost freeperish.

[ShortnFiery]

54. Come on and admit it ... you LIED and MISLEAD with the visible portion of your thread title? nt

[wyldwolf]

60. c'mon, admit it. You see black helicoptors buzzing your house every night

[ShortnFiery]

62. Nope, but I've been trained by the govt to determine what represents volitional disinformation.

I've also been hired to analyze polling results by government agencies. Therefore, I'm well aware of how "a little bit" of information is used to misinform the public. You and I both know that is exactly what you have done WITHIN the visible portion of your thread title. :evilgrin:

Face it learned political opponent: This time you've been FULLY busted. ;)

[wyldwolf]

71. LOL! Oh, that's rich!

I've been trained by the govt to determine what represents volitional disinformation... I've also been hired to analyze polling results by government agencies.

:rofl:

Ya know, I've seen people on DU make wild claims about their qualifications in the past, but this is the most over the top one I've seen!

[ShortnFiery]

74. You can't verify it but I did work for NPRDC during the 1980s as a Graduate Teaching Assistant ...

assigned from San Diego State University.

Of course - I fully concur that everything is amorphous and NOT verifiable in Cyberland. However, I'm a person who has no motivation to be anything but genuine with my posting here on DU. Why? I'm waiting another year for my children to be grown up or in High School before applying for full time employment.

I peruse and post here for FUN, not financial gain.

In other words, sure I can be full of sh*t and hidden agendas ... but I'm not. :-) :hi:

[wyldwolf]

77. that's true. I can't be verified and, based on your posting history, it isn't believable

[wyldwolf]

81. "It" can't be verified.

[Captain Hilts]

2. People don't really know the candidates all that much yet. nt

[Totally Committed]

3. Oh, please.

At this point, it's name recognition or crooked polling. Or both.

Who knows? But, most acceptable to whom, exactly? -- That is the question.

TC

[illinoisprogressive]

5. she has the highest negatives and repukes are praying she is the nominee

[draft_mario_cuomo]

47. So why is Republican Wall Street lining up behind Obama, not HRC (a DLC leader)?

[hot_for_hillary]

8. The more people see of her, the more they will like her.

Everyone thought that there would be Clinton fatigue or whatever, I think the opposite is happening. After Bush and all the corruption and nastiness of the past 6 years, I think people are ready for change. She brings alot to the table with her intelligence and experience, but I think her personality and her demeanor are underestimated, if not mischaracterized. Her debate performances have been outstanding.

[Larkspur]

10. The more I see Hillary the more I'm convinced she's a corporate whore

[hot_for_hillary]

12. OK, let me know when Kucinich is electable.

I'd rather have Hillary a thousand times, than another republican.

[ShortnFiery]

17. That makes one of us, for if the DLC's darling scores the WH, we will, in essence, be left with

another republican. Yes, a milder and gentler form is still "fascism" and increasing power for the recycled group of "Bill's Boys and Girls" who will truly function as The Unitary Executive Branch. :scared:

I want no more Bush or Clinton surnames for our American Presidents. Most people would concur. It's a shame that the DLC has to learn a THIRD TIME that their darling centrist selections are NOT capable of winning the Presidency.

Let's not forget, there's only one "Big Dawg" and many are getting tired of his same old tricks and foibles. Further, it's the 2008 election, not 1992. You can never go back. :shrug:

[wyldwolf]

18. ShortnFiery, let's see if you have the "knowledge" to back your rhetoric

What policies and beliefs makes one a "Republican?" (sources and examples.)
What policies and beliefs does Hillary have that separates her from other Dems and puts her in the "Republican" category? (sources and examples.)

Gut feelings don't count.

[Totally Committed]

22. Ditto.

You can't improve upon perfection, so just ditto.

TC

[draft_mario_cuomo]

50. HRC is DLC so let's vote for a DLCer who is even more popular with corporate America?

:shrug:

[Larkspur]

19. Hillary is a republican in practice

Bill and Hillary saw themselves as Eisenhower Republicans during Bill's term in the White House.

[wyldwolf]

21. let's see if YOU have the knowledge to match your rhetoric

What policies and beliefs makes one a "Republican?" (sources and examples.)
What policies and beliefs does Hillary have that separates her from other Dems and puts her in the "Republican" category? (sources and examples.)

Gut feelings don't count.

Bill and Hillary saw themselves as Eisenhower Republicans during Bill's term in the White House.

Link?

[Larkspur]

29. "We're Eisenhower Republicans here," Bill Clinton reflected, shortly after being elected president.

"We're Eisenhower Republicans here," Bill Clinton reflected, shortly after being elected president. "We stand for low deficits, free trade, and the bond market."

Notice he didn't say he'd stand for working Americans.

It's in the 2nd to last paragraph in this article Revive the Republican Way of War

[wyldwolf]

36. that was taken from a book by James MacGregor Burns...

... Clinton was creating an analogy between his policies and that of Reagan and Bush. The exact quote is "I hope you're all aware we're all Eisenhower Republicans. We're Eisenhower Republicans here, and we are fighting Reagan Republicans."

If you want to believe Clinton actually thought he was an Eisenhower Republican and wasn't just making a comparison of his philosophy with that of Reagan Bush, that's fine. I won't argue that small point. Everyone knows Eisenhower was a non-partisan almost convinced to run as a Democrat and once said, "Should any political party attempt to abolish social security, unemployment insurance, and eliminate labor laws and farm programs, you would not hear of that party again in our political history." Spoke out against the military industrial complex, etc.

I'm more concerned with the meat of my request of you. Duck and dodge?

[Larkspur]

68. Unlike you some of us have real jobs so can't monitor DU 24/7

[ShortnFiery]

69. You got that right !

This MOM and WIFE needs to drive her husband to work in downtown D.C. today. Lord knows with the heat, the trains (Amtrak/Metro) are far too OFTEN not running on time. However, we could have a better mass transit and highway system, but the resident "beltway bandits" do not want to pay a penny more in taxes for *the common good.* :thumbsdown:

Yes, some of us have "other duties" that we must attend to. :hi:

[wyldwolf]

73. you ducked and dodged the question, too

What policies and beliefs makes one a "Republican?" (sources and examples.)
What policies and beliefs does Hillary have that separates her from other Dems and puts her in the "Republican" category? (sources and examples.)

Gut feelings don't count.

[ShortnFiery]

75. No, there's absolutely no ducking and dodging here when you throw up a ...

I'd love to stay and banter with you but I must drive hubby up north and then visit a friend.

Catch ya later tonight or tomorrow bud! :hi:

[wyldwolf]

76. you're the one claiming the Clintons and the DLC are Republicans. You can't explain why?

They didn't teach you to be articulate in military psy-ops?

[wyldwolf]

72. well, you've certainly found tme to reply here and elsewhere... duck and dodge

What policies and beliefs makes one a "Republican?" (sources and examples.)
What policies and beliefs does Hillary have that separates her from other Dems and puts her in the "Republican" category? (sources and examples.)

Gut feelings don't count.

[wyldwolf]

15. lakespur just LOVES that term "corporate whore."

Too bad she has yet to find a candidate who isn't one based on her criteria.

[Larkspur]

20. The term fits Hillary like a condom does Bill's private parts

[wyldwolf]

23. too bad you've yet to pick a candidate who isn't one based on your criteria.

[Larkspur]

25. You don't know what my criteria is

You pretend to think you know.

[wyldwolf]

28. I'll rephrase it then and see if you still duck and dodge

You've yet to endorse a candidate in the current field (or the 2004 field) who did not accept large sums of corporate cash.

[Larkspur]

30. Nope, wrong as always

[wyldwolf]

31. who, then?

[draft_mario_cuomo]

48. So why is she being crushed by Obama almost 2-to-1 on Wall Street?

That must mean Obama is even better for corporate America. ;)

[Tellurian]

64. Better for the Republican agenda.. Obama voted Condi into her Cab apt.

[Forkboy]

16. She's been around for almost two decades.

How much more is there to see? :shrug:

[hot_for_hillary]

24. Not in the context of a presidential candidate

She was in the background. People are being re-introduced to her.

[Forkboy]

26. Well,I disagree that she was that much in the background.

She was the most upfront and visible first lady I've ever seen.She was at the forefront quite often.Kind of the Anti-Pickles,if you will. :)

[hot_for_hillary]

33. She may have been visible, but as a first lady.

Now she needs to be viewed in a new way.

[ShortnFiery]

55. I've not known a person to date who pads their resume with the line "I was married to the boss."

:thumbsdown: She was "the boss's wife" who would not ever been elected as a NY State Senator without the support of her husband. There's absolutely NOTHING liberal nor progressive about HRC. It's all about OLD networking connections and the continued corporate takeover of our government. Say "no" to a THIRD TERM Clinton Presidency. :-)

[Tellurian]

65. Mrs. Springsteen?

:rofl:

[wyldwolf]

78. Paddding resumes? Was Obama a Professor or a lecturer?

:rofl:

[RaleighNCDUer]

27. If she was just this person in the background

where did she get all the experience that her supporters are touting her for?

So is she an insider, with a world of experience? Or is she a neophyte from the background who needs to be introduced to the public?

[hot_for_hillary]

32. I didn't say she is a neophyte, she is considered the former first lady

People need to be exposed to her in a new light. Why is that so hard for you to understand?

[RaleighNCDUer]

38. So, she's a candidate who has had one term in the senate.

That makes her equal to Edwards, and way behind Obama for practical experience dealing with the electorate. "Former First Lady" is not a job qualification. If it was, we'd be seeing Pickles running in '08.

Why is THAT hard to understand?

[brentspeak]

37. And the closer we get to the primaries, the more we'll see paid-posters popping up on DU

:thumbsdown:

Thankfully, this particular troll got nipped in the bud.

[draft_mario_cuomo]

49. I agree. I am an example of this. I used to strongly dislike her

HRC is a known quantity. Obama's numbers are deceptively high. As he becomes defined and becomes more than just a blank slate his unfavorables will rise. We have already seen the same thing happen with Ghouliani, who received 6 years of positive press until this spring.

[ShortnFiery]

57. One thing I know for certain, your hatred of Obama (all the threads you have started) is FOREVER.

Therefore, like myself (for different reasons), you are hardly considered an objective observer. ;)

[draft_mario_cuomo]

59. Sure, I am biased but I laid out why I think that will happen

Only time will tell whether I am right. ;)

[zulchzulu]

34. Well I guess that's it. It's over. Done. Finale. Gonzo.

Clinton's 82% versus Obama's 78% versus Edwards' 77%...

It's Over!

[SaveElmer]

39. It is over...

The notion pushed by Obama and Edwards supporters that their candidates were the only ones electable...which is the point of the OP...

[zulchzulu]

61. Over the top, maybe

If you think I would back a candidate that the Republicans WANT, you have to be out of your mind.

If she is the nominee, it indeed is OVER.

[robcon]

35. Not a big difference between candidates.

They're all acceptable - in the poll, and to me.

[ShortnFiery]

43. Correction - NO STATISTICAL DIFFERENCE between candidates. nt

[SaveElmer]

45. As the OP made very clear...

Despite your falsehoods to the contrary...

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[SaveElmer]

58. And you have a grad degree you say?

Obviously not in English...

[robcon]

66. Except that the OP stated a falsehood...

The headline was " Clinton most "acceptable" as a candidate in Democratic field.

Your post, ShortnFiery, was a two pronged loser...

1. It was incorrect: the OP tried to make the case that Clinton was more acceptable.
2. It was hopelessly pedantic - saying the same thing I said but adding a pseudo-intellectual spin.

[Prophet 451]

40. *sigh*

Let's just say it: At this point, any of the top-tier candidates could viably win.

Hillary would not be my first choice (Get well soon, Dennis) but she'd still be better than any Republican. Any of teh Dem candidates would make a decent president. At this point, we're just trying to figure out which one would be slightly better than the others.

[ShortnFiery]

42. If HRC is elected it will, in essence be, Bill Clinton's THIRD Presidential term as his cronies

will re-inhabit the Executive Branch. We MUST scale back all this unilateral control The Bush Administration has stolen over the past eight years. Given all the social smoozing Bill Clinton and George Bush Senior have done, I shudder to think that a THIRD (3rd) DLC controlled "Clinton Presidency" will be significantly different than that of a Republican. :(

The entire country is screwed if HRC snags the nomination. IMO, it is only a matter of "an extra kiss on the cheek" for the American People as the Corporations take over our Country. :(

[Prophet 451]

44. Both agree and disagree

Yes, I'll agree that the unilateral controls of the presidential dictator must be scaled back in a massive way and I'm no more fond of teh DLC's pro-corporate attitude than you are. However, I think you're straying a little too far into doomsday projections here. The first Clinton term wasn't too bad on the whole.

[CTyankee]

80. Not to flame you, but I just wonder what you would do if HRC indeed

is the Dem nominee? If her Repub opponent is Mitt Romney would you vote for HRC as the lesser of two evils or just not vote?

I'm interested because I voted for a 3rd party candidate (John Anderson, remember him?) and was sorry I did later, not that it would have mattered in that campaign (Reagan and Carter).

[jefferson_dem]

46. Key caveat. She is that "acceptable" among Democrats.

I'm interested in seeing how "acceptable" she is to the American public as a whole - including inds and reps.

[SaveElmer]

52. That this was apoll of Democrats was included in the OP...

Check the recent Zogby for her acceptability among all voters

[Dawgs]

56. Interesting, cause 100% of the Democrats I've asked find her unacceptable.

How is that possible?

[Tellurian]

63. Interesting, 63% say she'll likely be president!

got a link?

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/07/19/opinion/polls/main3076104.shtml?source=RSSattr=Politics_3076104

[eridani]

67. Mainly acceptable to Rupert Murdoch and Wall Street n/t

[wyldwolf]

79. who, Obama?

[Perry Logan]

70. Here's the good news: her Presidency will torture the Right

Many wingers will die when she takes office. I'm so glad she'll have dictatorial powers.

[Lilith Velkor]

82. That's why I support her.

I'd prefer justice, but sometimes you have to settle for revenge.