Im sorry - but this is pure arrogance

[Jillian]

Clinton: 'I'm winning' the presidential race
JENNIFER JACOBS
REGISTER STAFF WRITER


July 20, 2007
6 Comments



Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton said she’s confident that, at the moment, she’s winning in the presidential race.

“I would say I am winning,” she said today during a meeting with Des Moines Register reporters and editors when she was asked about her electability.

“If you look at the polls that are being taken — I personally think they’re snapshots in time — but as opposed to talking hypothetically if you talk based on the information that we have, I am winning. I am winning. I am beating the Republicans.”

Clinton said that if she’s elected, Gov. Tom Vilsack and his wife, who have campaigned for her across Iowa and across the country, could have a job in the White House.

“I would hope to have him involved in my administration — both he and Christie, to whatever extent they thought appropriate,” Clinton said.


http://desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070720/NEWS/70720054/1001

Hillary - did anyone ever tell you not to count your chickens before they've hatched???

[YDogg]

1. at the moment

she's probably correct.

[LetsThink]

128. Oh, Let's Make Repu/NeoCons happy-- squabble, squabble...

...knock each other out!!

She's just stating the recent polls: She's BEATING THE REPUBLICANS.

[LaurenG]

2. Well, I think it's OK because it's just politics and she said

"I am winning. I am winning. I am beating the Republicans.” Which in the end can only be good. :hi:

[TeamJordan23]

3. Arrogance is nothing new with the Clintons...I wonder if Vilsack will be her VP if she wins.

[rinsd]

5. Probably not VP, but a potential cabinet member.

[rinsd]

4. Umm she is winning at this time.

Other candidates and their supporters may not like to be reminded of that fact but right now that is the way it is.

[Jillian]

8. I guess I appreciate people that are humble, nt

[Tanuki]

9. Have you noticed that humble people usually don't run for, or get elected to, the presidency? n/t

[rinsd]

10. Humble and candidacy for President of the United States are non-compatible.

I have no problem with candidates talking about themselves and how well they are doing or how great they are. That's campaigning.

[Jillian]

14. I thought she was suppose to be toning down her harsh image?

Overly confident comes off a little crass.

[rinsd]

15. How is it overly confident?

She didn't mention any of her opponents and indeed made a point about beating the GOP.

And it was in response to a question posed about her electability.

Its not like she offered it up unprompted.

Every single candidate talks about their administration and what it would look like.

"I thought she was suppose to be toning down her harsh image?"

How did any of that come off as harsh?

Perhaps you are looking at it thru a jaundiced eye?

[rinsd]

17. Let me ask you something Jillian

If Biden was aksed about his low poll numbers and he began to talk about how much support he has received and how optimistic he is at making an impact in the race would that be arrogance or confidence?

[Jillian]

23. I'm not trying to start anything here, I'm just saying

that I hope these words don't come back to bite her.

Btw - Biden has talked about his low poll numbers
http://www.altoonaherald.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070713/NEWS/70713022

[rinsd]

24. Fair enough.

And thanks for sharing that bit about Joe.

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[LeFleur1]

90. Over Confident?

I think it's called optimism.

[KalicoKitty]

126. Being confident is not being harsh!

Better get used to her...she will be elected.

[Clark2008]

141. Not as president.

[LetsThink]

133. Hillary Clinton, the Mother, Caregiver....

...she has been a loving caregiver to her mother and a mother herself, in addition to working for her living.

This kind of attack only serves to take us all away from a discussion of the ISSUES and factual record of achievement.

[emilyg]

31. Exactly.!!!

[LetsThink]

129. Hillary IS HUMBLE.......

in my opinion... Given her experience, her incredible track record of achievement- She has improved the lives of millions and millions of people, here in the US and around the world! Let's remember she has been struggling for women, to provide women with opportunities for her entire professional life. And... more than for women, she, her actions have given all of us years of prosperity, peace and higher standard of living, in the United States in particular.

Please think back over her entire history; look at the results of her policies, her actions in the many roles she has had in her life and, the positive impact all those actions have had on our lives and on the lives of millions and millions around the globe, too.

Please let me close by suggesting that all those helped outside the U.S., by improved access to basic health and medicines, etc. could also be viewed as friends and partners in a more peaceful world.

[SaveElmer]

6. What's arrogant about pointing out fact...

As she says, polls are a snapshot in time, and right now they show she is winning...as she says...

[beaconess]

139. Because girls are supposed to be seen and not heard?

[Ethelk2044]

7. Like I said before she bought his endorsement.

[rinsd]

11. And like before it is little more than your feelings....

Ignoring a long time relationship between the Clintons and Vilsacks both polticially and personally.

[monktonman]

13. Yeah thats it, arrogant just like that.

Little aggressive aren't we?
geeeeze.

[rinsd]

29. Huh?

So I should just sit here while Ethel insults my candidate with a smear?

[monktonman]

125. More like an opinion than a smear

But, who's counting.
I mean, god forbid someone critisizes YOUR candidate by asking questions.

These Hillary people are a really starting to turn me off. Although I dont want to, I'll vote for her
if she's our candidate. Lately though, I've been thinking these hillary people may be no better than the Neo-cons.

[patricia92243]

12. Interesting how people see the exact same situation differently - I call it confidence.

[rinsd]

16. Especially since it was in response to a question about her electability.

[DURHAM D]

18. That damn uppity woman! eom

[LetsThink]

130. Thank Goodness for Hillary Clinton!!

She is a force for positive, for good and for more peaceful, more prosperous times ahead!

[barack4prez]

19. She has

absolutely no sense. If she does not understand that arrogance is detrimental, she either needs new advisors or a new brain.

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[barack4prez]

30. I am right

she's a woman pretending to inspire all women, but who succeeded only because of her husband's success. She's a lawyer who never practiced law and failed the DC bar exam. She's a fake. Get on board.

[DURHAM D]

34. Could you make some more false assertions -

they are highly entertaining.

By the way - your candidate's ears are too big. I think he is disqualified for that reason alone.

[barack4prez]

48. Sure

Whitewater
Red Bone commodities trading
Failed attempt to socialize the medical system
Voted for IWR
Supported war in 2007
Did not want the war in 2007
Failed DC bar exam

Do you think the GOP won't bring this stuff up? I do think your "ears" argument persuasive, though. Keep it up.

[CTyankee]

106. What exactly did she do wrong in Whitewater? Are you aware that

Ken Starr investigated the Whitewater deal extensively and even with all his money, all his time, and all his power, failed to find ONE THING to nail the Clintons on. If you read the report, which I believe is now called the Ray Report (Robert Ray took over the dying embers of Starr's investigation after Starr left to become a law professor).

It helps to get your facts straight.

[MonkeyFunk]

68. she never practiced law?

Then how was she named - TWICE - as one of the 100 most influential lawyers in America by the National Law Journal?

[ShortnFiery]

70. Links please? nt

[MonkeyFunk]

73. surely

you don't believe that Clinton never practiced law?!?!?!


http://hillary2008.com/biography.htm

[ShortnFiery]

75. No, not HRC's tainted biography, show the ORIGINAL citings? nt

[MonkeyFunk]

76. No

if you think Hillary Clinton never practiced law, and never received those awards - which were touted back in the 90s - then you're just too off-kilter to continue discussing this with.

If you think she made up such a blatant and easily-checked lie on her own biography page, then you're just too off-kilter to continue discussing this with.

There are myriad citations out there. Go find 'em yourself.

[ShortnFiery]

78. I never typed that ... you're getting blunt with the wrong party. However, if I don't see it

referenced within the original source document (National Law Journal), I'm not taking it as FACT. Especially when it's in HRC's "love me - elect me" Biography within her DLC sponsored Campaign 2008 website.

Again, I am not the one who claims that she never practiced law. I only hope she chooses to remain a Senator from NY, mostly because I don't want to see "the same suspects" (Bill's boys and girls from his administration) rotate back in. That would make for a true coup - Unitary Executive.

I have no special love for any of the Presidential Candidates, although I favor Obama over Edwards, almost any Democrat who doesn't have the surname "Clinton" would make an excellent President. In essence, I fear a THIRD Clinton term would "seal the deal" for the unwarranted powers of The Executive Branch. We need to lessen it's stranglehold on the other two branches of Government, not strengthen it. By brining in the lion's share of FORMER cronies, we are encouraging the maintenances of an ALL-POWERFUL Unitary Executive. At least with Obama or Edwards, we will ALSO bring new blood into these Cabinet positions, thus discouraging *abuses of power.* :shrug:

[MonkeyFunk]

79. well you need a subscription to

read the NLJ's back issues.

But if you think she wasn't actually named one of the most 100 influential lawyers in america in 1988 and 1991, you're too off-kilter to discuss this with.

[ShortnFiery]

81. Who knows for sure. As a researcher, I never ass-u-me anything but the original source

is to be depended on.

Yes, I'll give you that HRC's Biography has been gone over with a fine tooth comb. YET, if you want confirmation 100%, you can't depend on a political candidate's Biography. :-)

Sure, I believe that she's been deemed as such. However, I would not assume this with local figures.

Yes, your serve and I'll give you that point. ;)

[MonkeyFunk]

99. Sweet Jesus on a muffin....

you're a researcher?

Perhaps you could use your skills to dig around and find out who won the 1996 election.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3390685#3391503


Let me know what you find out, Sherlock.

[Forrest Greene]

108. It's So Easy

...to be brave on the phone.

[ShortnFiery]

143. I stand corrected. Make that the last 2 elections.

I was in error. I can admit a mistake without loss of self-regard because I'm not too proud (or arrogant?) to value truth over lies.

I hope that you are somewhat satisfied now, genius? :eyes:

[LetsThink]

131. Please Review Hillary's Incredible Track Record of ACHIEVEMENTS....

....to state factual achievements is not arrogance. Perhaps your statement is a kind of compliment? Hillary has truly achieved amazing things during her lifetime! And we have all benefited.

[illinoisprogressive]

22. clinton is full of arrogance. One of her big downfalls is that she projects it

[durrrty libby]

28. Clearly, Hillary is the big winner this week, because all

the bad sports and cry babies are out in droves

:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

[Lucinda]

25. Good grief! Shouldn't they ALL have that point of view about their own campaigns?

And in her case, at THIS moment, it appears to be the case.

I would HOPE that each and every one of the candidates, every single day, feel that they are winning or have the potential to do so....

[roody]

26. She must have something going with Diebold.

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[ShortnFiery]

32. Demonstrations of shamelessness & arrogance by the USA's Ruling Classes never fails to disappoint.

:thumbsdown:

[asjr]

33. Did you expect her to say

I'm losing, I'm losing?

[polichick]

35. Reminds me of this quote...

“If it's a woman it's caustic, if it's a man it's authority. If it's a woman it's too pushy, if it's a man it's aggressive in the best sense of the word.” Barbara Walters

I guess we could add: If it's a woman it's arrogant, if it's a man it's confident.

[ShortnFiery]

37. No, don't play the gender card. HRC's self-righteous arrogance is an embarrassment to women. n/t

[polichick]

39. I think it's more embarrassing to women when...

...other women trash her for things they wouldn't trash men for.

[ShortnFiery]

41. Oh stop seemingly playing the hapless victim. IMO, it is unbecoming of us all to get that weird. :(

[polichick]

43. You don't make sense to me. nt

[Jade Fox]

53. Crap. Stop speaking for all women.....n/t

[MonkeyFunk]

69. nonsense

she IS winning, and she said so. That's not arrogance, and if it had been a man, nobody would even think to start a discussion on the topic.

[DURHAM D]

36. UPPITY WOMEN UNITE ! EOM

[polichick]

38. Girl power!

BEAUTY~HEART~POWER

<>

<http://www.cafepress.com/powerboutique>

[ShortnFiery]

40. My 12 year old daughter and I are ashamed that HRC is the best that women can do.

If being self-righteous beyond belief is what it takes for a woman to be President today, I suggest that women, in general, are better off NOT electing a women President in the near future.

I don't want a woman who swaggers and plays "cut throat" like a connected or made-man. That's not a GOOD role model behavior to hold up for our young daughters to emulate. :thumbsdown:

[polichick]

42. Why is it self-righteous for a woman to be sure of herself...

And appropriately confident for a man to be sure of himself?

[ShortnFiery]

44. HRC exudes arrogance and her husband's star power is falling fast.

That's all she's got. Her name and her "cut throat" and "take no prisoner's arrogance."

Sure that's laudable for the republicans who adore KKKarl Rove, but IMO, very unbecoming of a Democratic Politician, much less a member of my gender.

Women can be appropriately aggressive in political campaigns without morphing into a swaggering machisma politician who seemingly exudes more testosterone-like arrogance and bluster than hyper-steroidal men.

HRC lowers her voice and "talks tough" ... I find that so sad. As a former Army Officer, I know for a fact that you can glean respect from men without behaviorally morphing into one. :shrug:

[illinoisprogressive]

46. Yeah, I noticed Bill isn't getting the crowds he use to. been around too long

[polichick]

47. I don't think you have to morph into one either...

But I also think it's wonderful for a woman to be in the race, and it's sad to see other women being so hypercritical towards her. I say, give her a break ~ she's playing the ultimate male game.

[illinoisprogressive]

45. shortandfirey, I am ashamed Hillary is the best we can do.

As a woman I wished we had a real democrat with real ideas and fresh thinking. A woman who is savvy and ethical. A smart and excellent candidate.
Instead we get the establishment, corporate, murdoch smoozing, ethically challenged, divisive, oportunistic and self involved Hillary.
she makes me ashamed for women everywhere.

[ShortnFiery]

49. Exactly! Openly demonstrating one's warmth and compassion for those less fortunate than ourselves

may not be "tough" and "macho" like Tweety, et.al., demands that our USA Politicians must exude from every orifice, but it sure would go far in convincing the American People that there's a glimmer of hope for out country to recapture our Humanitarian Spirit as a nation. :shrug:

Well put IP. :hug: :hi:

[polichick]

50. Should men everywhere be ashamed...

...because of the male establishment candidates? No, they don't do that ~ and neither should women.

[ShortnFiery]

51. Many men should be ashamed...but our society is *unfair* with its culturally defined sex-roles. nt

[polichick]

54. It's up to women to change the rules.

But nobody can force anyone to feel ashamed, and there's no point in feeling ashamed of what other people do.

[ShortnFiery]

59. The covert rules change slowly...this can't be catalyzed. Shameless Arrogance is not what I would

categorizes an laudable androgynous character trait. :shrug:

[polichick]

61. Sorry, but I think you keep playing the gender card...

If a man, say John Edwards, shows his sensitive feminine side it's great, but if Hillary shows there's a little testosterone in her system, it's shameless arrogance. I would guess that the "fiery" in your name expresses a bit of the same spunk. Personally, I love a feisty woman as much as I do a sensitive man ~ imo we're healthiest when we aren't afraid of either side of ourselves.

[ShortnFiery]

67. Now you just don't make sense. You were the one who played the Gender Card. :-)

:crazy: ... Implying that poor HRC is getting picked on. Not true. :-)

[polichick]

83. Not so...

That Barbara Walters quote pointed out the double standard people use when talking about strong assertive women, as some did here. That's a terrible use of the gender card ~ especially when played by other women.

[Clark2008]

142. Actually, Edwards' showing of his feminine side is why he

would never win the race.

Trust me. He may be Southern, but he's not the Southern man's Southern man. Swing Vote Bubba ain't gonna vote for Johnny. And probably not Hillary or Obama, either.

[LetsThink]

132. Hillary Clinton has done more to help ....

...women and men find and realize their potential, as individuals, than any other politician to date. And former President Bill Clinton has also done this to an amazing degree- and continues this work around the world today, as a volunteer, while Hillary is working for many similar policies in the Senate.

They have been a uniquely romantic, professional couple for many, many years. They were the first working couple to show us a new way for professionals to respect one another and continue their professional work while preserving their family life, too. Every prior couple had sacrificed the professional achievements, potential and aspirations of one (the wife) so the other could continue.

Attacks by those within the Dem party on this incredibly giving, historic, visionary couple sadden me-- and, in an election cycle, worry me too.

[SaveElmer]

82. Hillary Clinton will be remembered alongside Susan B. Anthony, Eleanor Roosevelt...

Elizabeth Cady Stanton, Betty Friedan, Gloria Steinem, and Barbara Jordan, as one of the great women in American history....

She has the commitment, intelligence, strength, and values needed to finally break through the highest glass ceiling of all....

On top of all that she has a very good chance to be one of the great Presidents (male or female) in American History...

[polichick]

85. Yes...

Hillary may not be as liberal as I'd like but she is admirable in many ways, and she's definitely making history ~ inspite of the silly women who'd like to take her down.

[Alamom]

89. I agree with you completely. Also, proud to support the first woman to

run for president.

[jgraz]

94. Um...she's not even close to the first woman to run for president

I'll leave the googling to you.

[Alamom]

100. No need for googling.....there have been others, Few taken seriously and no one close to

where HRC is.......sorry I didn't spell it our for you. I thought everyone would get it.

[jgraz]

103. Hmmm...you exaggerate her record and then blame me for "not getting it"

Yep, Hillary's definitely the candidate for you.

[Alamom]

104. Ok, sure, whatever you believe. eom.

[SaveElmer]

137. Every woman mentioned in my post...had critics just as foolish..

As those Hillary has to face. Only someone truly blind would not see the historic importance of Hillary's work, as a childrens advocate, for health care, as a powerful U.S. Senator and as the frontrunner for the Democratic nomination for President, and in my book odds on favorite to be elected to that office...

But no, none of this barrier breaking has any impact on women in society...

[jgraz]

95. Wow, Elmer. Oversell much?

Aside from advancing her own political ambitions, what has Hillary actually done to help this country?

[SaveElmer]

136. I'll let Edwards advisor Kate Michelman answer that...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzyWHxUwtwg

[jgraz]

138. So the fact that Hillary has a vagina is her top selling point?

Sorry, but I can think of a few million other vagina-owners whom I'd rather vote for.

[SaveElmer]

146. Brilliant...

Folks like you are the exact type of people it is to Hillary's benefit to have in opposition...keep it up!

[jgraz]

152. Hmmm...folks like me

You mean folks who see through your BS spin?

You still haven't given me one specific answer as to what Hillary's done to benefit this country. Extra points if you can find one that wasn't already polling as popular. Extra extra points if you can find something that went against the desires of her corporate sponsors.

You really don't have an answer, do you?

[SaveElmer]

153. You know...

I have numerous sources that I could provide you...but you are not seriously looking for information...so I am going to decline to act as your research assistant...google is your friend...

I'll give you a hint...start with an article in the Atlantic Monthly...I'm sure you can find it...

And yeah, folks like you who have nothing to offer but usually crude insults...exactly the kind of opposition that will drive people into Hillary's camp...

[jgraz]

154. Yep, that whole "not voting for Hillary" sure is a crude insult

BTW, I read the AM article. Not impressed. IIRC, it mostly talked about how she built herself up into a major player in D.C. Pretty much the exact opposite of what I asked you for.

And, of course, you still decline to answer. The fact is that you know there isn't an answer. You can pore over her history and all you come up with are things like sitting on the Walmart board or being a corporate attorney.

I'll make it easy on you. Let's just deal with the time that she's been Senator. Name one piece of legislation that she's produced that benefited the country. Just one. That should be easy for such a rabid Hillary fan.


Edit: One thing I do recall from that article is the reference to Howard Dean and Nancy Pelosi and "bumbling liberals". It's support for statements like that that shows the Hillary camp's true colors.

[TwilightGardener]

52. That's how candidates win--they project themselves as winners.

Nothing wrong with it. Speaking as an Obama supporter.

[polichick]

55. Yeah, it's that power of postive thinking/intention thing...

If you believe it, others will too.

[Alamom]

56. Hill said, "I'm beating the republicans". Bill is in Africa, visiting Mandela & doing his little

aids thing......you know, the cheaper medicine thing he negotiated.



:eyes:

[rufus dog]

57. I see nothing wrong with her statement

And I'm not a big fan of her.

[illinoisprogressive]

58. Installing the wrong woman, Hillary, in will set women back a generation

she will have a very divisive rule and the country will march further apart and things won't get done. women will be seen as unable to govern and we will not be able to have a run, when a real democratic woman who is capable, arrives. She will be denied because the women of today are too blind to see that Hillary will set us back.

[MonkeyFunk]

71. we live in divisive times...

she wont do any worse than any other Democrat.

The notion that there's some mysterious candidate out there who can unite republicans and democrats is just silly.

[ShortnFiery]

72. Why is it that our beloved DLC keeps repeating the same mistakes expecting different outcomes?

BTW what is the definition of insanity? :eyes:

[MonkeyFunk]

74. Check a diagnostic manual

but I'm pretty sure your pop-psych definition won't be in there.


If you think Republicans will rally around some mystery Dem, you're even more off-kilter than I thought.

[ShortnFiery]

80. NO, it's fact - The DLC's darling has been anointed our Democratic Nominee the last 3 Elections

... AND the last three (x3) Presidential Elections, the Democratic Presidential Nominee has LOST their bid for the Presidency.

Repeating the same mistakes and expecting different outcomes is either mentally or emotionally unsound behavior. Your pick (or a little of both?) on the forgoing TRUISM. ;) :hi:

[MonkeyFunk]

96. your grasp of history

is just astounding.

Our last three presidential elections were in 2004, 2000, and 1996.

Yeah, that Bill Clinton got his ass kicked by Dole, didn't he?

You're not for real, are you?

[ronnykmarshall]

110. Hmmm?

No responce yet? :shrug: Color me shocked! :wow:

[MonkeyFunk]

114. she must be busy

researching.

[ShortnFiery]

144. No, I have a life outside of DU. I was in error - make that 2 elections.

Your sense of fair play and understanding leaves much to be desired. :eyes:

[MonkeyFunk]

145. I don't think I'll accept

any "fair play" lessons from you, but thanks just the same.

[ShortnFiery]

150. Well, I'll aways hold out hope for your conversion my fellow DUer.

I can be the fiercest of opponents, but for all the brusque language, I try my utmost NOT to make it personal - insult the poster's character. However, I also understand that we are all wired differently.

With genuine respect. SnF :hi:

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

109. Yeah, I remember the Bob Dole administration. -nt

[JVS]

117. Oh don't worry about it. She'd probably lose the general election anyway.

[rdduck2]

60. No, I found REAL arrogance yesterday

I was surf'n when I hit this counterpunchshirt.com A-hole. You talk about bigotted stuff! It's pure repukelican crap. Shows a bunch of shirts with supposed Democratic emblems, and pseudo patriotic pap.
also picks on minorities and stuff. People like that make me sick.

[Like It Is]

62. She needn't be so cocky!

I understand that no front runner has won since 1972. She shouldn't feel too comfortable.

[AZBlue]

63. BULLSHIT.

It's called political campaigning. Get over it.

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[polichick]

65. Gosh, I hope you're kidding...

Calling Hillary "worse than Cheney" is pretty misguided ~ if you're serious, that is.

[incapsulated]

102. I thought my sarcasm was obvious

DU and it's moderators lose more of their sense of humor every time I revisit this place, jesus.

/leaves again

[polichick]

116. Well, I hoped you were kidding but nothing's obvious here...

Don't take the deletion personally; I've had a few posts deleted too. Whatever. :hippie:

[wyldwolf]

66. Jillian, although I like Biden, a more arrogant Democrat never walked the earth

..but I like that swagger in my Dems if it can be backed up. Biden can. Clinton can. So what's your problem? It isn't as though Joe Biden has a chance for the nomination. Clinton is not his competition.

[Jillian]

118. All I can say is that I hope that you or Hillary don't have to eat your words.

[wyldwolf]

119. I wouldn't bet on it

[draft_mario_cuomo]

120. It is too early to write Biden off

Wasn't the man in your avatar at 2% in the polls at this point in 1991?

[Hippo_Tron]

124. That was back when there was no front loading and candidates took matching funds

All you had to do was exceed expectations in an early primary state (Clinton came in 2nd in New Hampshire) and suddenly you were back in the race. Super Tuesday wasn't until late March, then, and there was basically one primary a week until then meaning that candidates had the time to ride out their momentum and raise money.

Bill Clinton was also the most skilled politician in the second half of the 20th century. Joe Biden isn't.

[Lil Missy]

77. *ahem* She IS winning. Nothing wrong with saying so.

And I doubt this would even be a topic for discussion if one of the men said the same thing.

[Maribelle]

84. The chickens have hatched. You just didn't read your link correctly.

She was asked about her electability. She said regarding the current polls: I personally think they’re snapshots in time .

Get it yet?

[napi21]

86. I don't see anything wrong with her remarks, and in fact she

seems to have started doing something that I asked her to do.

A few weeks ago I wrote to Hillary and several other candidates and asked that they tell the voters who, or at least examples of the people they would nominate to their Cabinet. MOST of the problems Americans suffer from today were caused and created by the incompetent people Shrub chose to put in leadership positions, and it's important that the voters know BEFORE they vote for anyone just how they would chose their advisors, and those to head all the different Departments that are now failing!

At least Hillary mentioned TWO people she would chose. Now I want to hear more and from ALL the candidates!

[LeftishBrit]

87. Isn't this just normal politician's practice?

No politician ever prophesies their own or their party's defeat. They always put the best spin on their prospects.

[BeyondGeography]

88. Not particularly smart

This brief article quotes her as saying, "I am winning," four times (counting the headline), which, fairly or not, gives her a certain nyah-nyah quality. Hillary's supporters might ask themselves if this is attractive behavior or not (and I'd be interested in hearing their explanaton if it's the latter).

More important, is this a smart approach to take in Iowa, a small state that has been known to take pleasure in pricking the balloons of the high and mighty? She'd probably do well to put away the self-inflation device next time.

[allisonthegreat]

91. I have heard that some New Yorker's say

She has not done enough for her district in relation to job's and the closing down of mills,etc.

[eleny]

92. "her district"

She's not in the House, she's a Senator. She represents the State of New York.

[allisonthegreat]

111. whatever...excuse me no coffee this am!!!

:evilgrin:

[MonkeyFunk]

115. of course

"some" New Yorkers say that. But the majority disagree and voted pretty overwhelmingly to return her to the senate, where she has gained a reputation as a very intelligent, hard-working, competent senator.

[Laurab]

93. I'm not a Hillary fan but this thread is ridiculous

It would appear to be a normal response from a person who is currently ahead in the polls, and nothing more.

[allisonthegreat]

113. pretty much eom

[ripple]

97. I'm no Hillary fan

But that statement doesn't even register on my Outrage-O-Meter.

She said nothing that isn't true. According to the polling, which is the only measure we have right now, she is winning the race.

[calteacherguy]

98. She is winning. According to the polls most of our candidates are "beating the Repubicans."

It's not just her.

[buddhamama]

101. she's confident

not arrogant. she's basing it on the info she is receiving. i expect all the candidates to display a form of confidence. you kind of have to, don't you, if you wish to convince people of your ideas and get them to vote for you? :shrug:

i like the fact that she said, "I am beating the Republicans."

[Evergreen Emerald]

105. Hillary is attacked constantly from the right and the left--she is one tough

bad-ass female to still be ahead in the race and still be positive about her campaign.

The attacks have always been spin and lies and misdirection. This one is no different.

[LetsThink]

134. .. Hillary Clinton has handled the attacks with grace, strength.....

-- but, why attack one of our own? Can't the Repu/Neocons do their own work without our help?

[Forrest Greene]

107. Nor Your Geese

...before they're cooked.

[William769]

112. You would have a point if you were even remotely correct, but your not.

I would say anyone riding the way she is in the polls has a right to make that comment.

[goodgd_yall]

121. She was being asked about her electability

(Read 2nd paragraph of Jacobs' article) and so her statement that she is winning---btw, "I would say I am willing" is the exact statement---is an appropriate response to nay-sayers. Describing this as "pure arrogance" says more about you than about Clinton.

[Auntie Bush]

122. Maybe she is thinking positive rather than negative.. Negative

thoughts harm you. Ask any athlete...they always predict they'll win. Most presidential candidates say that when I win or when I'm president I'll do such and such. I consider that positive thinking. I guess there is a fine line between arrogance and optimism.

[rucky]

123. What should she have said?

:shrug:

[LetsThink]

127. She's Stating the polls.........

Objectively stated, that's just what the polls say---- she's just referring to the recent polls. She recognizes this is in the hands of the public ---- after all, she stated ". I am BEATING THE REPUBLICANS"

Make a Repu/Neocon happy: Fight among ourselves!!

[LordJFT]

135. I'm not supporting Hillary but what's arrogant about speaking the truth?

[Nedsdag]

140. That's nice, Hillary!

Why should I bother to vote if you said you're winning? Do you have actual knowledge that you will win? Do you know something I don't know? Is Katharine Harris working on your campaign?

Hillary Clinton: The Ego has Landed.

[zulchzulu]

147. Bookmarking for when she loses first four primaries...

She'll drop out by mid-February 2008. You can count on it.

[Zodiak]

148. Not one of you mentioned the Vilsack comment?

Vilsack is DLC through and through, why would I be excited to have him as part of a Clinton administration 2.0?

To me, Hillary is touting her corporate credentials by mentioning Vilsack.

But you all can continue talking about her arrogance. I would rather discuss her proposed policies and appointments, all of which most progressives would be less than happy with.

(yes, I know...compared to Bush they are better, but that is a rather poor endorsement)

[miceelf]

149. There are lots of good reasons to dislike Hillary

But the fact that she acknowledges she's ahead in the polls has to be one of the dumbest reasons ever to diss her.

Sheesh.

[sampsonblk]

151. She's right, what's the problem?