Democratic Debate on MSNBC Now!

[Tinoire]

Kerry speaking now.

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[ncrainbowgrrl]

2. Anyone watching?!

[maddezmom]

3. and you can watch it on the net here:

http://www.wisconsindebate.com/liveplay.asp

[Bill McBlueState]

9. thanks for the link!!

My TV has been hijacked by apolitical morons, so I appreciate it.

[maddezmom]

11. LOL

:)

[revcarol]

25. I clickied on the little thingy

and I got a list, none of which said "watch" or listen. What???

[maddezmom]

52. here some more options

http://www.jsonline.com/news/state/feb04/207742.asp

wisconsindebates.com

hope that helps :)

[Tinoire]

4. Edwards speaking now? Am I the only one watching?

On edit: Whew! Thanks guys! Lol

[maddezmom]

6. I'm watching :)

Dean up now about JK and special interest ads.

[Tinoire]

16. Lol... That was a scary moment

;)

[displacedtexan]

5. Getting to the heart of the military/character/integrity stuff

Kerry is letting Edwards play the junkyard dog.

Dean and the money q re kerry and special interests.

WHOA! Who got to Dean and told him to back off from JK?

[Dying Eagle]

7. Being form Wi

I have been looking forward to this

[Kahuna]

8. Dean avoiding backing up his attacks against Kerry..

where he compared Kerry to bush in raising special interest money. Totally avoided it.

[displacedtexan]

14. Dean is sounding much more presidential tonight!

Looks like all of the candidates got together and decided to make this debate a referendum against the freak monkey.

[Kahuna]

19. I can agree to that.

:D

[Kusala]

10. Dean going out of his way

not to directly attack Kerry on special interests. Very odd, i think everyone expected him to hammer Kerry..He hammered Bush, and talked about special interests controlling both parties, but nothing directly abotu Kerry even though the moderator asked specifically about previous statements on Kerry/special interests.

Now kerry is answering about special interests..

[Dying Eagle]

13. Go Kerry

Good reply to SI issue

[drfemoe]

114. Too bad it isn't the truth

Kerry says he doesn't recieve PAC money, but over at opensecrets.org it says he's gotten $73,784 in PAC money, more than any other candidate in the race. Besides Bush of course.

http://www.opensecrets.org/presidential/index.asp

[BootinUp]

12. Kerry doin pretty good on Special Interests Question

[maddezmom]

15. listing his record

good job by JK.

[MoonRiver]

17. Yeah! He kicked Borger's butt halfway to China!

She just sorta slunk down after he finished with her! :D

[AP]

27. Says he's going to give a debate on everyting except battling

corporatocracy.

[maddezmom]

18. DK hitting GWB hard

GO DK, don't back down.

[OKNancy]

26. DK said he didn't care about AWOL

and what happened 30yrs ago...cares about now.

[VolcanoJen]

20. Kucinich sets a good tone

Paraphrasing: "Instead of talking about Bush's Guard service, we should be talking about the current Guard in Iraq, and how to bring them home."

Thanks for staying on message, Dennis!!!!!!

[displacedtexan]

23. Go, Rev. Al!

Why haven't we focused on finding bin Laden?

Bush promised. 2 1/2 years later...

[AP]

21. Kerry's getting lots of time. Whas that his 4th minute for everyone else's

one?

[BootinUp]

22. Sharpton!

What he would ask Bush:

Where is Bin Laden?

Audience loved it!

[Kusala]

24. If sharpton was on 9/11 commision

his first question would be "Where is Osama Bin Laden?"

[Dying Eagle]

28. GOOD JOB SHARPTON!!

[AP]

29. Another question for Kerry.

[AP]

Letting patch up shoddy record on globalization. Let's see if they

let anyone get a rebuttal.

[AP]

35. Edwards getting a chance, thanks to the local reporter.

Points out that Kerry and Dean have long record of supporting "free" trade.

Talks about personal experience protecting jobs.

[Kahuna]

31. Yeah but.. The questions are posed to catch Kerry on ..

issues that cause him embarrassment. They are hardly catering to Kerry with the tone of the questions.

[Dying Eagle]

32. Sorry Edwards

A southern has no chance in Wisconsin

[AP]

37. Did Bill Clinton do well in WI? I really don't know.

Do you know?

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[WillyBrandt]

33. Edwards is the son of a mill worker

[Kahuna]

36. Is he?!?!

:crazy:

[AP]

41. So, no coincidence he takes this issue serioulsy, unlike the children

and husbands of capitlal, Dean and Kerry.

[Kahuna]

46. All that pro bono work showed his dedication to disadvantaged..

litigants. Whoops! That's right. He never did pro bono work. :eyes:
Pretty words though.

[AP]

89. You think he should have done a few house closings for free

to make up for the fact that he was helping victims of millions of dollars in negligence at the hands of corporations get the money they deserved?

Right.

He was doing more for society taking on the big expensive cases which actually forced state-wide and nation-wide changes in corporate policy.

Maybe if he took time out to do a dog bite case for free, it would have been your child who had her insides sucked out by those defective swimming pool drains.

[Forkboy]

105. He should bomb people

[AP]

109. Is that an argument about something? Don't have anything to say about

pro bono work?

[Forkboy]

116. Just making light of the other poster's busting of Edwards

[WillyBrandt]

50. I'm just kidding around folks--Edwards is a good guy

[VolcanoJen]

57. I know, Willy. It is kinda funny, though.

I also like when he says "I wrote it down," and the way he prounounces "NATO."

:-)

Still undecided,
Jennifer

[Kusala]

34. Edwards

how many times can he mention he's the son of a mill worker? If he was nominee, will we hear that every day until the main election?

[displacedtexan]

38. What Edwards is talking about is contained in the NAFTA sidebars

JK talked about.

The repukes just decided not to honor them.

[Dying Eagle]

40. Dean will take second in WI

Dean is very popular here. All the WI Univeritys are REAL liberal.

[Kahuna]

39. Uh oh. Dean says, you'll pay higher prices at Walmart...

if he's in charge of trade agreements. :wow:

[AP]

44. We're going to pay higher prices at Wal Mart once they kill off all the

competition.

[Kahuna]

51. True that.

nt

[GreenArrow]

66. I wish one of them would say that

just straight out say it, and repeat it.

[TexasDem]

45. Dean is a straight shooter

Of course you are going to pay higher prices. You can can't have both.

[Kusala]

53. Edwards: some jobs are gone can't get them back

??

oops replied to wrong post

[displacedtexan]

48. He should have blamed the steel deal!

Higher steel prices will translate into higher Wal-mart prices for appliances, etc... whether or not NAFTA is canceled.

[DjTj]

59. Sharpton railing about K-Mart...

Walmart! Al, Walmart is the evil one! K-Mart is practically broke and going down with Martha Stewart...it's Walmart we need to stop.

[Kusala]

42. You tell em Kuc!

Buy america or Bye bye america!

[Kusala]

Sharpton seconds cancelling Nafta

human rights aren't being globalized...

if you protect american workers it's proctetonism(?) if you protect american corporations, it's patriotism...

slave labor is immoral: you can't pay walmart prices and justify supporting cheap/slave labor

[WillyBrandt]

43. Sharpton on --

[Dying Eagle]

49. Sharpton is a good man

I turned a religous man at work into a sharpton supporter.

[Tinoire]

47. Kucinich A+ on NAFTA & applause. Sharpton now

Not only would I cancel NAFTA but I participated in movements against NAFTA when Democrats were passing it.

Damn he's good. Wish I had captured that!

Sharpton is on a ROLL!

[Tinoire]

54. Edwards... A+ on NAFTA too. "Jobs are the single most important issue"

for the voters in Wisconsin...

Great answer...

[Dying Eagle]

58. Who is winning right now???

I think its a tie between Kerry and Sharpton, Dean a close second

[Kusala]

65. sure if you're biased towards Kerry

MHO it was the two long-shots Kucinich and Sharpton, with Edwards close behind..Dean and Kerry havent hit anything too hard..

[Tinoire]

68. Lol. I'd say Kucinich, Edwards & Sharpton with Dean a close second.

but that's my opinion.

I don't think Kerry did well because it was all platitudes and an insvestigative committee that would re-examine it. Don't mean to be harsh but I expect a little more than that from someone who's had the opportunity to opportunity to study it from close up.

Kerry has some good points but I don't think this is one of them.

Right now he's talking about tax cuts and sounding good but I'm still demanding good back-up to anyone's words.

[diamondsoul]

61. Is that the first time he's

said that openly in a debate?? I don't remember him ever saying he'd cancel NAFTA until tonight.

[Tinoire]

63. Sharpton? I don't know. n/t

[maddezmom]

55. They all sound good!

bush* is going downin Novemeber.

[La_Serpiente]

56. This is a pretty good debate

there are less people and they are talking about the issues

[Kahuna]

60. And they're not being cut off and interrupted.

nt

[WillyBrandt]

62. I really like the debate--there's a bias, I think, but not bad

[Kusala]

67. Kuc on full healthcare

gotta love that about him..

Kerry saying he has a healthcare plan for america, second most important behind jobs.

[maddezmom]

64. Talking Taxes Now

Dean first, repealing bush tax cuts. There was no middle class tax cut.

[Kusala]

69. Kerry raise taxes on rich, close loopholes

yeah, right..Go against his special interests? can we say empty campaign promises?

[Dying Eagle]

70. What is with the Kerry bashing?

Take a closer look, don't buy the Dean BS!

[La_Serpiente]

71. Edwards doesn't single Kerry out by name

but he is contrasting himself with him.

[DjTj]

82. Definitely being more agressive...

...in a subtle way.

[Kusala]

72. Kerry getting hit up about votes on No Child left, Patriot act, iraq war

blaming implementation, not original laws..which there is some truth to that...Attacking john ashcroft..Points for kerry, but i dont rescind my pink tutu comment..

[Dying Eagle]

74. How can you ax Nafta and The WTO if.........

the GOP still controls the Congress. Too many lofty goals that can't be kept

[Paulie]

80. Treaties are a power of the executive branch

The senate approves, the exec controls.

Same way bush exited us from the anti-balastic missile treaty.

Notify the countries we're leaving per the treaty.

[Kusala]

83. good point

but if you have that opinion, you can forget EVERYTHIGN any of these guys say because no way the GOP congress passes anything they're saying..full healthcare, raising tax raises on the rich(tax loopholes), NAFTA-repeal, etc. etc..

[Paulie]

86. If we get the massive dem turnout we're getting in the primaries

we'll get seats in the house and senate. Less of a worry.

[displacedtexan]

75. If you take all of our candidates' ideas and meld them...

we could have the Clinton economy back!

[Dying Eagle]

78. Yes Clinton

That was nice, I had a job back then

[Tinoire]

94. Off topic - Please read this thread because

in that case you really need an anti-NAFTA candidate. It's only going to get worse if we don't stop it now. More and more jobs are disappearing everyday. Hope you find something good soon!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=315065#316097

[seaglass]

76. I support NCLB and he's exactly right n/t

[Tinoire]

73. Kucinich~! What this administration is saying is "Let them ear WAR"!

That sums up quite a bit.

[maddezmom]

79. DK ~ "I"m talking about taking this country in a different direction"

[Tinoire]

77. They're all sounding good today. n/t

[GreenArrow]

81. Sharpton laying it down on vouchers

Nail on the head.

[La_Serpiente]

84. questions from the college students

I hope they have a question about Affirmative Action.

[displacedtexan]

85. Me, too!

Now is the time.

[Kusala]

87. Kerry brings back to attacking Bush

points for Kerry again, but i think it's more because he considers his debate opponents irrelevant.

[Dying Eagle]

88. Kerry is on the attack

He is focusing all his attention on Bush. The Primary's are the best Mass media we get. Lets not bash eachother, lets bash bush and get the message out. DOWN WITH BUSH!!!!!!!!!!!!

[displacedtexan]

90. I hope the mods start a new thread soon.

Getting hard to refresh.

Can some of you delete your pics and complicated sig lines?

[Kusala]

93. you can turn those off in your profile..

i dont see them anymore i dont think

[Kahuna]

99. Kerry is an excellent debater. I've always said that.

He is impressive each and every time.

[TerWillie]

91. Kucinich with best line of debate "...let them eat war"

:bounce:

Best debate...nobody's watching?

[Kusala]

95. My opinion: Kuc in lead, Sharp, Kerry moves up a couple, Dean, Edwards

[mot78]

98. Hey TerWillie

Welcome to DU!
:toast:

[MrSlayer]

92. Everyone is doing well.

This a lot better than the previous debates. The one thing I wish they would stay away from is the "Where's OBL?" argument. Because it's going to bite us in the ass when they pull him out. Use OBL in the Iraq distraction sense but not in the "You can't get him!" sense.

[NNN0LHI]

96. Easily the best debate so far n/t

[Dying Eagle]

97. Everyone listen to Kerry on his Iraq stance!!!

[displacedtexan]

100. JK on war vote

knows what it's like when "you lose the consent for that war."

War as a matter of last resort.

Means something to JK and Amer. people. Doesn't mean anything to *.

[Tinoire]

101. New thread - Mods please lock! Thanks

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=339297

[Kusala]

103. ok i'm moving

[Kusala]

102. Kerry on familiarity with war

trying to defend vote on iraq war..

blaming president, which IMO still ignores the fact that he voted on it..Kerry and everyone else knew damn well Bush was a cowboy bent on his way or the highway, and they still wore pink tutus..

Now saying Bush couild have done it without congress....then why did you vote for it, Kerry?

i think he's complicating his own defense.

[DjTj]

104. Edwards steps it up a little bit against Kerry...

...I'm liking it.

"That was the longest answer to a yes or no question I've ever heard."

"...there are still more primaries."

[AndyP]

106. I love that

I like to see them go at it. I think Kucinich is a little quick to bring our troops home without finishing what we started and finishing it well.

[revcarol]

115. check out

www.kucinich.us

No cut and run for Dennis.

[eleny]

107. The BIG Lie!!!

[AndyP]

108. The Rev :)

That was a great answer!!!!!

[eleny]

110. Kucinich breaks it open

Sharpton picks it up and runs with it some more

[BlueStateGirl]

111. That was a thing of Beauty. Go Dennis! Go Al.

[charlie]

112. Oh my Gawd

"If he's an unconscious liar we're REALLY in trouble!" :):):)

[Egnever]

113. OMG Denis I love you!

Holy shit!

Denis just pulled the mask right off this administration! If i don't see anything else in this debate Denis's answer on whether or not bush lied was worth this whole primary season!

Denis you rock ! I have bashed your elect ability in the past but today you just became my hero!

[LWolf]

117. That's right.

America's hero.

The hair raised on the back of my neck, and goosebumps all over, heart pounding. Not the first time Dennis has generated that response. My mom, listening on the phone because she doesn't get MSNBC, had a moment of shocked silence (if you know my mom, you know what a rare thing silence is for her ;-))then said:

Where would we be if he wasn't running? Who would have the courage to stand up and tell it like it is?

She's a Clinton democrat. She's leaning Edwards. But she agrees, too.

[eleny]

118. Noonan is full of crap!

Will raise taxes and increase spending. Talk abput twisting words like a pretzel. Has she gone back to the bottle? She's the one in an alternative universe. Dopey bitch.