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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-21-07 07:54 PM
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The REAL 9-11 Generation
In response to “The 9-11 Generation”

TO: Dean Barnett
C/O: The Weekly Standard

Dear Sir:

As a Baby Boomer, I felt compelled to respond to your recent article, “The 9-11 Generation”.

You begin, unbelievably enough, stating that “in the 1960s, history called the Baby Boomers. They didn't answer the phone.”

Perhaps my memory is faulty as a result of those “Woodstock excesses” you refer to, but I distinctly remember something called Viet Nam as being the “generation-defining conflict”, as opposed to the Cold War. And in case you’ve forgotten, that phone call was answered.

But there was another call in those days of watching our classmates coming home in body-bags; a call to put an end to American troops being used to protect corporate interests – or, as is the present case in Iraq, to provide cover for the theft of another nation’s oil resources.

“Few of the leading lights of that generation joined the military. Most calculated how they could avoid military service, and their attitude rippled through the rest of the century.”

If you’re talking about the leading lights who lied us into the Iraq quagmire – Bush, Cheney and their PNAC pals – you’re absolutely right. Bush used Poppy’s influence to get him into the National Guard, cushy service as compared to his brother soldiers – and the records proving his completion of that service have, to this day, yet to surface. As for Cheney, the closest he came to answering the call was filing for his five deferments.

Of course, there were many “leading lights” who chose to make the military their career. They went on to distinguish themselves as men who could, based on experience and military training, assess the cost of a war in dollars and blood, determine whether the success of a particular military mission was achievable, and opine on how many troops would be needed to accomplish defined goals.

It’s lamentable that the advice proffered by such “bright lights” was totally dismissed by a Commander-in-Chief who was completely ignorant of military strategy, to be replaced by the advice of the likes of Bill Kristol and Paul Wolfowitz, whose own military experience consisted of avoiding same.

You state that present day liberals “support the American military – at least in the abstract, until it does anything resembling fighting a war.” There is nothing abstract about the liberals’ support for our troops – support that should include, to our way of thinking, body armour and other life-saving equipment, along with decent pay, generous pensions, and the best care possible for those who return wounded and/or permanently disabled.

It is the so-called support offered by the politicians – the same couch-bound heroes who have continually voted against such things as raises in pay and increased rest periods away from combat – whose support can only be described as in the abstract. As they never tire of telling us, it is not what is happening on the ground in Iraq that is bogging us down; it’s the lack of yellow ribbons on our SUVs here at home. Go figure.

“Democratic senators … routinely pronounce their concern for our ‘children’ in Iraq. One of the reasons John Kerry's ‘botched joke’ resonated so strongly was that it fit the liberals' narrative. The Democratic party would have you believe that our soldiers are children or, at best, adults with few options.”

How amusingly ironic that you should invoke the name of John Kerry, a man who could have “avoided” military service, but instead enlisted and saw combat. I suppose that after actually serving, he would have a much better sense of who enlists, and why – the reasons, I am sure, being varied and complex. But to pretend that thousands of young adults don’t enlist because they come from backgrounds where it is the only option for getting a college education or technical training is, at its best, disingenuous.

As for the Democratic party believing that our soldiers are “children”, it is obvious from their ages that many currently serving are children. Some have died before ever having experienced life as an adult – getting married, pursuing careers, having children of their own. Some have died before they were even considered mature enough to drink a beer.

Perhaps the Republicans who cheerlead this war cannot visualize our soldiers as children simply because the ones doing the fighting aren’t their children; they are someone else’s children, kids whose parents don’t belong to the country club, or have summer getaways in places like Kennebunkport.

But you did find and speak to three young men who enlisted and don’t regret that decision. I’m so glad you enlightened us all on that topic, because we liberals and Democrats never thought for a minute that every member of our armed forces wasn’t in Iraq as a result of being kidnapped and forced to sign-up. Thanks for setting us straight.

Will there be a “9-11 Generation”? Good God, I hope so – because I am confident they will have learned the real lessons of what happened on September 11th, and how it was used to manipulate the country into relinquishing its freedoms in order to counteract those who allegedly hate us for those freedoms, while we invaded a country that had nothing to do with our being attacked.

They will undoubtedly look back on the abject failures of the missions in Iraq and Afghanistan as an inexcusable waste of money and human lives, and will vow that their children will not be sacrificed for the sake of a handful of greedy oil conglomerates seeking to make even more obscene profits than they’re already raking in.

Having experienced what they have, and seen what they have seen, they will probably grow up knowing that diplomatic avenues produce far better results than can ever be achieved on the battlefield, that compromise is not equivalent to surrender, that nothing of value can ever be realized as a result of who is willing to kill more aggressively, torture more barbarically, or who is willing to apply the term collateral damage to more innocent civilians.

As for those who are now choosing a military career, let’s hope that should an arrogantly ignorant president ever darken the White House again, their expertise will not be pushed aside to make room for yes men willing to support the idiotic ideology of those who consider themselves above the riff-raff who actually served.

But take heart, Mr. Barnett, for your chance to offer your services is now at hand. John Kerry – yes, that pesky decorated war hero who just doesn’t seem to know his place – stated this week that "it is about time that those promoting this war offered up their own children to fight it, and anyone who themselves are forty and under in the Congress and the Administration …”

It would seem that a telephone hotline needs to be set-up to handle all of the calls from those gung-ho under-forty Republican politicians who are behind this war, along with their children who can’t wait to drop their golf clubs and tennis racquets and heed the call to arms.

Please be so kind as to keep us apprised of the success of this clarion call to the offspring of the rich and politically influential who think that no sacrifice is too great when it comes to protecting the homeland – and won’t Barbie and Jenna look great in uniform, standing right alongside the sons and daughters of the oil company executives who are meant to be the real benefactors of the current unpleasantness in the Middle East?

Talk about a photo-op to end all photo-ops – talk about putting your child’s life where your warmongering mouth is – talk about the aforementioned never coming to pass. Talk about hypocrisy …

Anyway, regardless of how the invitation to the supporters of this war to actually fight for what they allegedly believe in turns out, I just wanted to thank you for setting the record straight when it comes to the Woodstock-induced mutterings of a generation that, regardless of how many of its own were sacrificed in the name of another noble cause, are obviously too unpatriotic to unquestioningly follow the lead of those who were patriotic enough to avoid getting their hands dirty.

Yours Truly,
Nancy Greggs
(Proud US Citizen, and member of the all-too-astute Baby-Boomer Generation)
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Whoa_Nelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-21-07 08:03 PM
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1. Thank you, Nance
You are a true patriot, and I appreciate all you write in your proactive stand for truth and our nation. :patriot:
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JeffR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-21-07 08:04 PM
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2. Another reference to your citizenship to confound
your critics in the shallow end of the internet. Not that they'll retain the information anyway.

Well done!

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Jack Bone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-21-07 08:05 PM
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3. Recommended
:patriot:
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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-21-07 08:12 PM
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4. The reason Kerry's joke resonated was because of the lying, evil rightwing
echo-chamber that is our national corporation media.

:grr:

Kerry was making a joke about BUSH - anyone who had sought to understand that joke would have.

Similar incident: The press tore into Al Gore after he told a joke about his mother singing him the "Look for the Union Label" jingle as a lullaby when he was a little boy. Well, the jingle wasn't written when he was a little boy - and, um, he kinda, um KNEW THAT -- which was why the Union members all laughed WITH HIM when he said it. Al Gore told a joke during the 2000 election and people laughed - the media couldn't let that cat out of the bag, could they.

And Al's "invented the internet" comment, we know exactly who came up with that - from an interview on DemocracyNow!

JOSH RUSHING: Jim Wilkinson is the Republican operative I was talking about. He’s a guy that -- he’s about my age. He’s from a small town in Texas. Again, I don’t believe he’s a bad guy. I just -- I disagree with what he was ordered to do, what he volunteered to do. He worked in Dick Armey’s office. He is credited with coming up with a line about Gore having invented the internet. That was Jim’s work.

Then, in the 2000 elections, he was in charge of the media down in the Florida recount, where there was one point where the Dade County voting board was going to recount the ballots down there. The Republicans didn’t want them to recount it until a decision had been made by the courts, and so they stormed the office. The office had to shut down, couldn’t do the recount. It was Jim in the press -- you can go back and look at the articles -- who says it was just a moment where a bunch of Americans felt the voting process was being taken away from them, and so, you know, they got a little over-emotional, and that’s what happened. But if you actually look at the pictures, it’s called the “Brooks Brothers Riot” these days, because everyone in the picture, the rioters, are all in bowties and nice suits . They’re young, twenty-something, blond hair. And if you start to kind of circle the faces and identify them, they’re all congressional staffers, Republican congressional staffers. But if that was an organized event, it would be illegal. It would be voter intimidation. So -- moving them across state lines to perform that kind of thing, because they were all out of Washington, D.C. So that’s why Jim was in the press saying, “Oh, you know, this wasn’t organized. These were just emotional people who felt the system was being taken from their grasp.”

http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=07/06/20/152255&mode=thread&tid=25
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-21-07 08:16 PM
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5. I'm Convinced That Those Who Take Potshots At Boomers in the 60's
were not Boomers, or never came out of their drunken drug comas during the 60's, if they were indeed anywhere between 15 and 55 at the time.

The 60's were a time of American Renaissance. There were many different subgroups, many differing opinions, and a great willingness to examine issues in light of new factual information. There was a great fundamental citizenship, not flashy, paper-thin patriotism, and a basic search for equality, the total opposite of the 80's and beyond.

The worst of the 60's, the assassinations and riots, in retrospect are less than today's daily atrocities. And those who instigated those assassinations and riots are behind today's calamities, having taken those early successes and built upon them. I suspect a lot of Democratic cowardice at the leadership level is due to vivid memories of those dead men. While the grassroots, having been betrayed by their cowardly leadership, sees no point in taking to the streets==nobody's listening! The MSM has its marching orders: dissent doesn't exist, and if it does, we'll pretend it doesn't.
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cutlassmama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-21-07 08:22 PM
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6. Perhaps they would listen if we took it to the streets. Anyway, Nance
great as usual. Recommended.
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-21-07 08:39 PM
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8. I Thought We Did That, Before The War Was Official
and our dear representatives still signed on.
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laststeamtrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-21-07 08:32 PM
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7. Bravo! K&R. n/t
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blondie58 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-21-07 09:05 PM
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9. awesome as usual, Nance
are you really going to send it to Dean Barnett and the Weekly Standard? I think that it would be awesome, although I doubt that you would receive a reply.
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-21-07 09:19 PM
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10. I haven't sent it yet ...
... but not for lack of trying. It appears that the Weekly Standard is not interested in the views of anyone not willing to cough up the necessary funds to become a "subscriber".

Hey, not for nuthin', but these jokers would have to pay ME to read their crap.
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Harry Monroe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-21-07 11:52 PM
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12. Nance, you have GOT to send this to the "Weekly Standard"
I'm sure myself and others would pay for your "subscription" if you could not stomach paying for such tripe yourself. At the very least, the magazine should make excellent lining for your bird cage or cat's litter box.

Thanks for your excellent writing. As usual, spot on.
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FightingIrish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-21-07 09:50 PM
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11. A brilliant, articulate, well deserved smackdown
I doubt we'll ever see his blustering response but just imagining his reaction made my whole week.
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Wetzelbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 01:14 AM
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13. according to wikipedia Dean just turned 40 last week
but still, I'm sure he could get into the military if he truly wanted to. Which, of course, the chickenshit most certainly does not. :)
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Norrin Radd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 03:07 AM
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14. k+r
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 06:09 AM
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15. Get ready for more Sixties stuff! Today's young voters are the most Democratic generation in history
Verily, the Right are fried.
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shaniqua6392 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 06:49 AM
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16. I wish this could get out into the public for everyone to read.
You have a talent for putting into words what we are all feeling. Blessings and peace Nancy.
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 01:27 PM
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17. Perhaps it is time for Jenna and not-Jenna to restore honor and dignity
Edited on Sun Jul-22-07 01:29 PM by FLDem5
to their family name by enlisting. Then I could dirty my beautiful mind with compassion for this CIC's stubborn position on Iraq, knowing he had more than cash and power in the game. I would like to see unstaged photos of these Gen 9-11's applying pressure to the remains of a comrade's limb until medical help arrives. That just might start my hand a-flag wavin'.

Thanks for the great response to that pile of steaming... oh never mind. I am just sick of this administration trolling for their few remaining supporters. tossing the spotlight onto them and insisting everyone feels the way they do.
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liberalsoldier5 Donating Member (248 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 03:46 PM
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18. self-delete
Edited on Sun Jul-22-07 03:46 PM by liberalsoldier5
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liberalsoldier5 Donating Member (248 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 03:47 PM
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19. Good, but I'd remove the line about Afghanistan.
That mission was a much different one compared to Operation: Iraqi Freedom. It was, and still is, a very bipartisan war. Even the nations of France, Germany, and Canada joined us to fight it. Overall, I believe it was an absolutely just war to immediately follow 9/11. The Democrats are right in stating that Afghanistan is where our troops belong most.

It's just all together different from the Iraq war.

(The rest of the letter was pretty great, though!)
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 04:00 PM
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20. I referred to the "failure of the mission" in Afghanistan ...
... and it failed because it was, for all intents and purposes, shunted to one side in order to wage the war in Iraq.

Our intentions when we went into Afghanistan are, unfortunately, of no import now. We can't 'win' there any more than we can 'win' in Iraq.
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sanskritwarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 10:34 PM
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24. I disagree.......
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 10:39 PM
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25. That the mission in Afghanistan has been doomed to failure?
Please explain. I would love to think that something of value will be retrieved from this entire debacle.

If you can offer a sound reason for hope, I would appreciate it. And I'm not being snarky - I honestly mean it.
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Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 05:40 PM
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21. K&R! Brava, Nance, Brava!
"Please be so kind as to keep us apprised of the success of this clarion call to the offspring of the rich and politically influential who think that no sacrifice is too great when it comes to protecting the homeland – and won’t Barbie and Jenna look great in uniform, standing right alongside the sons and daughters of the oil company executives who are meant to be the real benefactors of the current unpleasantness in the Middle East?

Wake up America!:kick:28!

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Hatchling Donating Member (968 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 07:29 PM
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22. Beautiful!
From another Boomer who marched and then cried when she lost her first love in "Nam. But the word "Homeland" gives me scary shivers. This is my Country, not my Homeland.
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The Wizard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 09:09 PM
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23. The Weekly Standard
Edited on Sun Jul-22-07 09:12 PM by The Wizard
is a jingoistic vomit bag publication steeped in Republican propaganda and talking points; another right wing soap box for those who want others sacrificing for the corporate masters.
Nance you give new life to Howard Beale's "I'm mad as hell, and I'm not going to take this anymore."
It's time to crank up the draft and get millions in the streets again. Most American don't have a stake in Bush's neocon crimes against humanity.
We need a national strike where millions go to Washington to shut down the government until The entire Administration is turned over to The Hague for war crimes trials.
Anyone taking bets on which of the scoundrels takes the Herman Goering exit strategy?
"The whole world is watching."
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