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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 11:17 AM
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Tell Feingold, "No censure, yes IMPEACHMENT."
Via email - send your comments to Sen. Feingold here: http://www.progressivepatriotsfund.com/input.html

Dear (CW),

On 'Meet the Press' this morning, I announced that I will introduce two censure resolutions aimed at holding President Bush, Vice President Cheney, and other administration officials responsible for the destructive path down which they've taken our country. It's clear to me, and millions of Americans, that the time has come for accountability – on everything from the disastrous war in Iraq, to refusing, time and time again, to follow the rule of law. Members of Congress can no longer stand by and allow the White House to shred the Constitution, and thumb their noses at the American people.

Over recent months and years, we've learned that this President, and his administration, have used mistruths, spin, lofty-rhetoric, hyped-up intelligence reports, and scare tactics to drag this country into a war that can only be described as the worst foreign policy mistake in our nation's history. In addition, the administration, in an attempt to justify this mistake, has repeatedly distorted the situation on the ground in Iraq. As a result, the administration has dangerously weakened us in our efforts to fight those who attacked us on 9/11.

What's equally dangerous is the blatant disregard President Bush has shown for the rule of law on which our country was founded. Last year I introduced a resolution to censure President Bush for his failure to abide by the Constitution when he implemented his illegal domestic wiretapping program and for misleading the public about whether his administration was following the law. With your help, public scrutiny in this program was raised and the administration couldn't ignore it any longer. Earlier this year, the program was finally terminated and brought under the jurisdiction of the FISA statute.

Unfortunately, failing to abide by the law is a pattern for this President. From illegal domestic wiretapping, to the President's dubious signing statements, to redefining torture, to the current U.S. Attorney scandal, the list goes on and on. There are so many good reasons for the deep frustration so many of you and I feel about the direction of our country.

As I have said before, I believe the President and Vice President have likely committed what our Founding Fathers would have thought of as "high crimes and misdemeanors." However, at this time I do not believe it is in our nation's best interest to put important issues facing our country on the back burner to go through months and months of a divisive impeachment process. Some may disagree with that, but at a minimum we can agree that censure resolutions, holding the President and his administration accountable for the actions I've outlined above, are needed.

History must show that when confronted with an administration which does not recognize the separation of powers, which continually acts as if the executive branch is above the laws of our land, the American people and their elected officials stood up, in one voice, and demanded accountability.

I've heard from people in Wisconsin and across the country in recent months on what we can do to hold this administration accountable for its actions surrounding the Iraq war and its deliberate disregard for the law. Please click here to read more about my two censure proposals, tackling both issues, and give me feedback on both topics. I need your help to develop these resolutions so all of our voices are heard. I look forward to reading your thoughts and I'll be sure to keep everyone posted in the coming days. I'm going to be looking to each and every one of you for help in developing these resolutions and in pushing them forward.

Sincerely,

Russ Feingold
United States Senator
Honorary Chair, Progressive Patriots Fund


NGU.


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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 11:26 AM
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1. Thanks, CW.
Do you think Feingold may see censure as a waystation on the path to impeachment? Like, first we need to get a bunch of reluctant Senators to go so far out on the limb as to vote for censure before expecting them to crawl all the way out in quest of the impeachment apple?
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 11:34 AM
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2. Perhaps...
It even crossed my mind that he's using this email as a way gauge supporters' opinions on IMPEACHMENT. Which is why it's important for us in the IMPEACHMENT movement to reply to him promptly.

:hi: JR...

NGU.


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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 01:08 PM
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15. Interesting thought.
:hi:
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 05:23 AM
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36. nope, Censure is usually suggested as an alternative to impeachment
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montanacowboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 11:38 AM
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3. I got this email from him today
and told him Censure is totally unacceptable - if these guys don't get a clue soon, they will all be out of a job; are they too stupid to see it? Bushco don't need no stinkin Congress.....

and it's coming folks - they are getting desperate and are planning their next move
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LibDemAlways Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 11:46 AM
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4. "the time has come for accountability" Agreed. That's
Edited on Sun Jul-22-07 11:54 AM by LibDemAlways
why Congress must impeach, and I just sent Feingold an e-mail expressing that censure is a slap on the wrist that the R's won't go along with anyway. The only way to hold these thugs accountable is through the impeachment process.
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 11:57 AM
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6. I, too, used the term "slap on the wrist"
Edited on Sun Jul-22-07 11:57 AM by rocknation
and requested that Fiengold do "all within his power" to help initiate impeachment proceedings.

:headbang:
rocknation
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Pachamama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 01:18 PM
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17. More like a tap on the pinkie then a slap on the wrist...
...but then again, we need to start somewhere and that's more than what has been done to this administration....
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 11:54 AM
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5. Impeachment is the initial responsibility of the House, and since they won't do anything
this is the only option the Senate has at this time

Unfortunately, Reid and Pelosi could care less, they believe it doesn't matter that the Constitution has been attacked, and that the power of Congress has been invalidated. If they did, they would be pursuing this more agressively


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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 12:13 PM
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7. Reid too is in the Senate and cannot "impeach" eom
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 01:21 PM
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19. Any Senators Support of impeachment would carry lots of weigh.
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 09:57 AM
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59. .
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 12:30 PM
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8. THANK YOU ..DONE!! MY LETTER!!
To the Honerable Congressman Russ Feingold,

I want impeachment because I want my child to know there were Americans who tried to stop these criminals in this White House!

I want history books to show that there were Americans that were staunchly opposed to what this admin did to their rights..

I want History books to show that there was a strong voice to opposing this war..( I am sorry but censure means nothing to these criminals!!) and torture , and spying on Americans..destroying Habeas Corpus, destroying our judicial system and the powers of Congress. I want history to show that we the people were lied ..not mislead , but lied into an unjust criminal war!

I want that duly noted in every history book..that we the people, did not sit idly by while the destruction of our democracy occurred!

If that means we only get impeachment through congress and not the senate..so be it..but dang it, I want our voices..the voices of 70% on the record forever!!

If Russ, you or Pelosi or any of you in Congress can't handle that..you need to get out of the way!!

This Democratic congress, your Democratic Congress Russ, ARE SITTING WITH A 14% APPROVAL..WHY?????????

Because you are not doing what we the people want..you are not there for your career!!

You Russ are there to represent what we the people want..not how much you can get from lobbyists and what lobbyists want..but what we the people want..

If this congress can not protect our Constitution, as it is laid out in the constitution, and if you can not do the people's job..then many of you need to leave..

If 14% is what you believe dictates what the people want..well, then we are all sold out to 14% of the electorate..

..and I will never put up another dime to anyone in the Democratic party..I will not knock on another door, I will not work another phone bank..I will not do another damn thing to get any of you Democratic people elected again..You will not be representing my democratic values !

I will look for new people to oppose you ..all of you!

It seems very simple to me..and this Congress wants to muddy the waters..saying its impossible..we can't get the votes..blah blah blah...

Well you don't know, until you do it..I WOULD RATHER LOSE TRYING, THAN TO NEVER HAVE TRIED AT ALL..I WANT THAT IN THE HISTORY BOOKS!! THAT WE TRIED TO STOP THESE CRIMINALS!!
THOSE ARE MY VALUES YOU ARE PLAYING WITH CONGRESSMAN FEINGOLD!!


You don't know until all the electorate knows the truth of what is going on..period!
WITH THIS CURRENT MEDIA, THE AMERICAN PUBLIC IS THE LEAST AWARE OF WHAT IS GOING ON!

OUR VERY CONGRESS IS NOW BEING MADE DEFUNCT BY THIS ADMINISTRATION..IS THAT OK WITH YOU CONGRESSMAN FEINGOLD??..IT IS NOT OK WITH ME..NOT BY A LONG SHOT!!

I want impeachment ..and I have held back until the past couple weeks..I was willing to give the powers of the people we elected , the benefit of the doubt ..of how to approach this...but no more..

I want my grandchildren one day to know, there were many, many Americans that were fighting to stop this admin and all their lies and stealing OUR VERY CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS,and cheating and most of all..murdering human beings.

I feel shame of my country today..I feel disgust..I feel anger..and I want that reflected in history books ... what this Congress does in my name, about the malfeasance and crimes and murder of this administration!!!!

In other words I want accountability!! and now!!

So Russ, CENSURE?? ..is not good enough..it is a joke..either impeach or get out ..now!!

I will withold my thousands and thousands of hours of volunteer services to the Democratic party, if you censure over impeachment.

SIGNED BY MExxxx
Elected Democratic Delegate for the State of Florida
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 12:33 PM
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9. That's beautiful, fly. May I quote you liberally?
I know there are plenty of DUers and others who need to hear this point of view.

NGU.


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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 12:44 PM
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10. absolutely!!..accountability or get out of our way!!..now!!..i keep hearing in my head the song..
"This is my Country"...land that i love...

but i no longer feel that way..i feel like...this is my country the land of the criminals!!

i am sick and tired of it..i am sick to my stomach by all of them..we fought so hard and put up alot of damn money ..and sweat and tears to get a party with "so called values" into congress and the senate..values i have held dear for all of my life...now it is time for them to take the responsibility we gave them..and do the right thing..not pass the goddamned buck..

our constitution says impeachment for high crimes and misdomeaners..it does not say censure!

and damn it, i expect them to do what the constitution says..impeach!

and if they do not , i will hold them accountable...

will we win impeachment ..most likely in congress..will we remove them probably not..

but who here has not heard over and over that clinton was impeached???????

he was not convicted, but he was impeached..

i want impeachment for these criminals in this white house

i want gonzo removed from office..

i want my country back...

This is my country..and damn it i want it back! now , today..not tommorrow ..today..i owe that to my children and every child in this nation..

i owe that to the children of the future of this nation!

and so does this congress!

fly



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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 12:55 PM
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11. HOPE YOU DON'T MIND I CROSS POSTED HERE CLASSWARRIOR!!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=1401077&mesg_id=1402253

THERE WERE ALOT OF PPL AT THIS OTHER THREAD SO I POSTED THIS EMAIL ADDRESS FOR COMMENTS TO RUSS OVER AT THE ABOVE THREAD!!

THANK YOU CLASS WARRIOR!!

FLY
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 12:59 PM
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12. Glad you did! We need to get the word out.
B-):thumbsup:

NGU.


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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 01:05 PM
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13. THX!! WE THE PEOPLE MUST DEMAND OUR VOICES BE HEARD..
WE THE PEOPLE MUST NOT LET THE LIGHT BE SNUFFED OUT OF OUR VOICES..WE ARE THIS GOVERNMENT AND IT IS ABOUT TIME OUR REPS KNOW THAT!!

in no uncertain terms!!

i can not tolerate the idea.. that my children and grandchildren, and great grandchildren will be left to believe we did not fight against this tyranny!!

that is unacceptable to me!!

with censure Russ might as well send this admin our constitution to burn!

i personally will not accept that..no way no how!

fly

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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 08:14 PM
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33. .
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 01:07 PM
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14. K&R #5
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pstans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 01:11 PM
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16. Impeachment has to start in the House
Tell your Representitive to impeach and once that happens, Russ will have your back. He always has and always will.
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 01:20 PM
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18. True. But his would be a powerful endorsement to have.
He readily admits that WE changed his mind on the Iraq occupation. He's inviting us to do the same thing here.

NGU.


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pstans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 01:36 PM
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21. Changed his mind on Iraq? Russ has always been against the war in Iraq
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 01:53 PM
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23. He directly attributes his original "timetable" bill to his listening sessions...
...around Wisconsin.

NGU.


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pstans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 02:12 PM
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26. That doesn't mean he changed his mind, but maybe strengthened his opinion
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 02:37 PM
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27. Okay, we CONVINCED him to set a timeline.
"Jeff Farias said it was three-fourteennnnn... and the clock in my Prius said three-fifteennnnn..."

:eyes:

NGU.


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pstans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 02:50 PM
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28. Bottomline, we need to convince other Senators
Attacking Feingold for taking action won't help convince other Senators to take action.
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 03:22 PM
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29. Who's attacking Feingold? I'm saying we need to convince him.
In fact, I believe he's inviting us to convince him.

NGU.


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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 01:26 PM
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20. Hey Feingold, "No censure, yes IMPEACHMENT."
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 01:41 PM
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22. Naive to think that leadership and/or Senators infulence doesn't affect decision to impeach or not -
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Harry Monroe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 01:56 PM
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24. Censure??? FUCK THAT!!!!!!!!
In 1999, there was a resolution to censure President Clinton for his moral transgressions. The Republicans largely rejected it in favor of impeachment. Any decent Democrat should do the same. Censure for obvious impeachable and criminal offenses. NO WAY!!!! Impeachment is the only remedy. Censure these two criminals and the Democrats will be laughed at. Feingold should be ashamed and embarassed for even bringing up such a meaningless gesture, sure to be looked upon with scorn, derision and laughter by the Republicans and will further emasculate the already clueless and wimpy Democratic Party.
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 01:56 PM
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25. yes censure yes contempt yes impeachment yes indictment yes conviction nt.
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 04:24 PM
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32. Excellent point.
Bring it ALL on.

NGU.


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EndElectoral Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 03:29 PM
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30. Sent...his argument justifes impeachment,,..if you're gonna go for it...do it.
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democratsin08 Donating Member (312 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 03:31 PM
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31. ugghhh
this is just another meaningless gesture like the all night sleep-over. all we have to do is cut off funds for the war. all we seem to do is take ahlf-measures on everything
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Senator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 04:33 AM
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34. not really
It's the "cut off funds" that is the gesture. Funding is done by legislation -- that will be vetoed or negated by signing statement.

Even if the veto were miraculously overridden, the regime would simply fund illegally.

Only Impeachment ... will do.

It IS our positive agenda.

It is our ONLY moral, patriotic, (and legal, legislative, electoral, diplomatic...) option.

We need to get on with it.

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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 04:37 AM
Response to Reply #34
35. Not quite
impeachment won't do anything per se. Impeachment and conviction MIGHT accomlish something (of course, cheney would become President...)
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 08:11 AM
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Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 10:37 AM
Response to Reply #37
39. Don't be silly
what's right-wing about that?

You think impeaching without convicting would change much of anything? How is that right-wing?

If Bush is impeached and removed, Cheney becomes President. That's the constitution, and is neither right-wing nor left-wing.

Now, if you think there's any way to impeach and remove both Cheney and Bush simultaneously, then you're too far gone to argue with.
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 10:47 AM
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41. Don't ask me.
Ask the folks on Fox Noise who keep pushing those memes.

NGU.


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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 10:50 AM
Response to Reply #41
42. They're
two facts - not memes.

Tell me how they're right-wing in and of themselves.
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 11:24 AM
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43. Don't ask me.
Edited on Mon Jul-23-07 11:24 AM by ClassWarrior
Ask the folks on Fox Noise who keep pushing those memes. There must be some reason they don't want us to hold the misAdministration accountable.

NGU.
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 12:11 PM
Response to Reply #43
47. so you can't explain
your lame accusation.

They're facts, not talking points. You don't happen to like them, so you attack the messenger.
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 04:16 PM
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51. One is an opinion on how the future will unfold...
...and the other makes an assumption on who the Congress will IMPEACH first.

Facts? :rofl:

NGU.


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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 10:31 PM
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56. .
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PBass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 11:30 AM
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44. Couldn't disagree more. Impeachment without removal still holds them accountable.
Edited on Mon Jul-23-07 11:32 AM by PBass
It's still a black mark on the president's record, the same way that impeachment was for Clinton and Nixon (neither were convicted in the Senate).

Without impeachment, history will portray the Democrats as being weak, and only caring about elections (not the Constitution). History will refer to Bush as a "controversial" president, not a law-breaker.

IMO, not impeaching in the House will result in a severely weakend Democratic party, and a white-washing of the Bush presidency. It will also open the floodgates for future wreckless presidents... "But Bush did it, too!"
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 02:52 PM
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50. Clinton's "black mark" has really hurt him
Let's see...his wife is the front runner for 2008, he commands tens of thousands of dollars for speaking engagements in front of a wide range of audiences...he's a regular pariah because of impeachment.

You want to make chimpy a martyr -- start a completely partisan, failed impeachment effort.
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 05:46 PM
Response to Reply #50
52. So how is the failed RW coup against the Clinton Administration...
...and the citizens of the United States in ANY way analogous to the crimes and treasons of the Monkey King**?

:shrug:

NGU.


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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 05:50 PM
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53. it will have one thing in common if it fails -- - -- -- -
:shrug:
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 05:57 PM
Response to Reply #53
54. That a ton of Senators will have sided with an obviously...
...criminal and treasonous Administration** against the American people? I don't remember that happening with the failed RW coup against Clinton.

:shrug:

NGU.


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Senator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 07:19 PM
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55. Oh yes ... quite
Impeachment will DO what it is meant to do. Lodge an objection. Formally accuse.

The message will be sent, per se.

The American People will hear their rejection of the regime voiced.

The world will hear the complicity with war criminality denied.

Our children will hear that someone ACTED to preserve our once-great nation.

Failure to impeach is complicity -- approval -- exoneration of the regime, per se.

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enough already Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 08:35 AM
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38. Don't waste my time with censure
I want them OUT! Impeachment or nothing.
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 10:37 AM
Response to Reply #38
40. Impeachment doesn't get them out
only impeachment and conviction does.
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 12:00 PM
Response to Reply #40
45. There's your mistake...
You think this is about "getting them out," when it's really about holding criminals and tyrants accountable the only way that's left to us. Why don't you want to hold them accountable?

NGU.


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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 12:08 PM
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46. and there's Your mistake
How does a process that results in chimpy/cheney be acquitted (assuming you can get the votes for articles of impeachment in the House in the first place, which isn't certain) hold them accountable?

So if you support a process that almost certainly, at this point in time, would result in their acquittal, can we ask you the same question: Why don't you want to hold them accountable?
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 12:19 PM
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48. what onenote said
impeaching and failing to convict won't do ANYTHING to stop Bush. it will put on the record that his actions are acceptable.
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 01:26 PM
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49. Bob Parry says it so much better than I could...
"Still, many leading Democrats argue that impeachment would just be an exercise in futility, because conviction in the Senate requires a two-thirds majority and because the sizable Republican minorities in Congress would stick by Bush no matter what – which may indeed be true.

"Impeachment hearings in the House, however, would at least focus the public’s attention on the severity of Bush’s offenses, demonstrate the pattern of abuse, and explain how this administration has deviated so far from the course laid out by the Founders.

"Impeachment also offers a definable – and constitutionally envisioned – response to leaders who threaten the survival of the Republic. The Founders put the impeachment clause in the Constitution for exactly this kind of moment.

"Even if impeachment didn’t reach the ultimate goal of removing Bush and Cheney, it would put down a marker of congressional resistance to executive abuses.

The public would get the point, too."

http://www.consortiumnews.com/2007/072107.html

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Exultant Democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 11:10 PM
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57. Cause he is the speaker of the house? Oh wait he is in the Senate
and censure is the best he can do, get off his back!
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 06:39 AM
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58. Who's on his back?
Edited on Tue Jul-24-07 06:40 AM by ClassWarrior
:rofl:

He's my Senator, and I'm one of his most steadfast supporters. But part of the reason I am such a fan is because when his constituents speak, he listens. As a matter of fact, if you had bothered to read the rest of the the thread, you'd have seen that I believe he's actually inviting our opinions about IMPEACHMENT by sending that email.

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