UPI - Poll: Democrat Obama fading to Clinton

[Alamom]

http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/Top_News/2007/07/23/poll_democrat_obama_fading_to_clinton/8186/

UPI - Top News

Published: July 23, 2007 at 7:44 AM

Poll: Democrat Obama fading to Clinton


WASHINGTON, July 23 (UPI) -- A poll of U.S. Democrats showed that Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y., has more than double the support of her nearest rival, Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill.

Of the 1,125 voters contacted for the Washington Post/ABC News poll last Wednesday through Saturday, 54 percent of Democrats said Clinton had the best chance of winning the 2008 presidential election.

That's more than the 22 percent for Obama, trailed by former Sen. John Edwards, D-N.C., the report said.

The divide was nearly as strong among Democratic-leaning independents, with Clinton getting 44 percent, Obama 25 percent and 11 percent for Edwards.

Among whites, Clinton leads Obama by double digits but the two run nearly neck-and-neck among blacks, 46 percent of whom said they would vote for Obama and 40 percent for Clinton.

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The poll's overall margin of error was reported as 3 percent.

[w13rd0]

1. Thank goodness...

...that when Kerry was polling as far behind Dean as Obama is behind Hillary (further even), he was wise enough to just throw in the towel since Dean's victory was all but inevitable. And in 2000, when Bush lost to McCain in NH, he knew better than to keep campaigning, resulting in the subsequent victory of Al Gore over John McCain in 2000.

Oh wait...nevermind.

Have you Hillary supporters ever considered the fact that acting as if its all but inevitable and "in the bag" REALLY pisses off the, oh, EVERYONE, that hasn't had a chance to actually vote in a primary yet?

Kerry was polling in single digits before the Iowa caucuses, even took out another mortgage on his house to keep his campaign afloat. At this point, it's still ANY of the candidates nomination to win.

[William769]

2. There is one small difference, the candidates.

With the smears I have had to endure on DU about Hillary "Have you Hillary supporters ever considered the fact that acting as if its all but inevitable and "in the bag" REALLY pisses off the, oh, EVERYONE, that hasn't had a chance to actually vote in a primary yet?" I really don't give a rats ass, I consider it payback.

[wyldwolf]

5. So you don't like to read election news?

:shrug:

[MannyGoldstein]

10. Polls This Far Out Have Zero Predictive Value

It's more "election pretty wishes" than "election news".

[wyldwolf]

12. They show the current mood of the electorate and, thus, are news

But let's put it all on the table, ok? DU will never ban posting of polling information. And we all know the reason/excuses/spin/lines/memes of those who hate seeing polling info. Here's the solution. Ignore the threads.

I'm certainly not going to stop posting poll results. People can whine all they want.

[Alamom]

8. You do realize........" We" don't write the news stories. Are you advocating

censoring or censorship of a segment of Democratic voters?


If so, you're not the first and I'm certain, won't be the last.

It's done here everyday with almost every post about Senator Clinton and always with a threat.
Sometimes subtle and sometimes not, but a threat none the less....



Censorship belongs to the other party or it did......

[SaveElmer]

17. Whose putting a gun to your head and forcing you to come here...

If you don't like the news...and that is all it is...either ignore it or frequent a different board...

I always find it funny that people get so upset when political news is posted on a board devoted to politics...

[William769]

3. The Hillary Blossom special. Last stop The White House!

[MannyGoldstein]

4. "In the four years since the inspectors left, ...

... intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including Al Qaeda members, though there is apparently no evidence of his involvement in the terrible events of September 11, 2001. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons. Should he succeed in that endeavor, he could alter the political and security landscape of the Middle East, which as we know all too well affects American security."

-- Hillary Clinton, October 10, 2002

[William769]

6. And what part of that statement is false?

[MannyGoldstein]

7. That's A Joke, Right? n/t

[William769]

9. No.

Given the time what part of that statement is false?

[MannyGoldstein]

11. Holy Crap. You're Serious.

Pretty much all of it is bogus.

Are you saying that the majority of Democrats, who voted against the war, were wrong?

[William769]

14. They key to the phrase is "intelligence reports"

This was in 2002. We are in the here and now many people felt the same way at that time, of course Excluding the all knowing DU community.

and you might want to reread what the authorization was all about, it was not a blank check to go to war as it was used. Heres the link for your reading pleasure. http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?c107:5:./temp/~c107rKpDsY::

"intelligence reports" today are not viewed as they were back in 2002.

[MannyGoldstein]

15. You Really Do Think That Voting Against The War Was A Mistake

That Bush would go to war when the bill passed was a foregone conclusion.

Anyone who looked at the intelligence - rather than the rhetoric - knew there was no good evidence. The inspectors hadn't found squat. Which is why most Democrats voted against the war. That you and Mrs. Clinton claim that voting against the war was a mistake - well, it rather novel, to be nice.

[William769]

18. To begin with it was not a vote for war! Sheesh the memes!

SEC. 2. SUPPORT FOR UNITED STATES DIPLOMATIC EFFORTS.

SEC. 3. AUTHORIZATION FOR USE OF UNITED STATES ARMED FORCES.

FYI I was against it back in 2002, That does not mean I am going to hold it against Senator Clinton for voting for it at the time. Her actions now with what we know about the Bush cabal are what matters to me and apparently most of America.

[MannyGoldstein]

19. It Was Clear Bush Was Going To War, And That There Was No Good Evidence

Otherwise, why on earth would most congressional Dems vote against it?

[William769]

21. Kudos to all that have a crystal ball.

It was not clear to me what Bush was going to do at the time of the vote. I was against it for the simple reason I knew it would distract from Afghanistan.

The bottom line is you can bring it up all you want here on DU, it's not playing across America. And until you can stop fixating 11/02/2002 as has America. Your just not going to be a happy person. It's done it's over with, we are looking for the end strategy now.

[MannyGoldstein]

26. So The Majority of Democrats Had Magic Powers?

Most Democrats were against the resolution.

Mrs. Clinton was for it.

Most Democrats were correct - and Mrs. Clinton was not (although she claims she was right).

Given that war is the single most important thing that Congress deals with, and given the above facts, it would be folly to support Mrs. Clinton for higher office. Whether she was less smart than the most other Democrats - or she made a craven political calculation - she aided and abetted the single largest foreign policy disaster in US history. And most other Democrats did not.

[bvar22]

27. It was "Crystal Clear" to many Democrats.

Robert Byrd (among others) gave a scorching speech on the Senate Floor warning Hillary (and the World) that a vote FOR the IWR was a vote FOR WAR!
Everybody KNEW!

So Hillary has either a very bad judgment problem, or she supported the Invasion and Occupation of Iraq. :shrug:

Hillary hitched her campaign wagon to the senseless slaughter of thousands of innocents believing that the Invasion would be a cakewalk and she would be looking good for 2008.
Any other explanation is either revisionist, or tortured rationalization.

Are ALL of these these Democrats smarter than Hillary?:shrug:

The Democratic Party Honor Roll
These Democrats should be remembered for their principled stand against the WAR Machine.

IWR

United States Senate

In the Senate, the 21 Democrats, one Republican and one Independent courageously voted their consciences in 2002 against the War in Iraq :

Daniel Akaka (D-Hawaii)
Jeff Bingaman (D-New Mexico)
Barbara Boxer (D-California)
Robert Byrd (D-West Virginia)
Kent Conrad (D-North Dakota)
Jon Corzine (D-New Jersey)
Mark Dayton (D-Minnesota)
Dick Durbin (D-Illinois)
Russ Feingold (D-Wisconsin)
Bob Graham (D-Florida)
Daniel Inouye (D-Hawaii)
Jim Jeffords (I-Vermont)
Ted Kennedy (D-Massachusetts)
Patrick Leahy (D-Vermont)
Carl Levin (D-Michigan)
Barbara Mikulski (D-Maryland)
Patty Murray (D-Washington)
Jack Reed (D-Rhode Island)
Paul Sarbanes (D-Maryland)
Debbie Stabenow (D-Michigan)
The late Paul Wellstone (D-Minnesota)
Ron Wyden (D-Oregon)

Lincoln Chaffee (R-Rhode Island)


United States House of Representatives

Six House Republicans and one independent joined 126 Democratic members of the House of Represenatives:

Neil Abercrombie (D-Hawaii)
Tom Allen (D-Maine)
Joe Baca (D-California)
Brian Baird (D-Washington DC)
John Baldacci (D-Maine, now governor of Maine)
Tammy Baldwin (D-Wisconsin)
Xavier Becerra (D-California)
Earl Blumenauer (D-Oregon)
David Bonior (D-Michigan, retired from office)
Robert Brady (D-Pennsylvania)
Corinne Brown (D-Florida)
Sherrod Brown (D-Ohio)
Lois Capps (D-California)
Michael Capuano (D-Massachusetts)
Benjamin Cardin (D-Maryland)
Julia Carson (D-Indiana)
William Clay, Jr. (D-Missouri)
Eva Clayton (D-North Carolina, retired from office)
James Clyburn (D-South Carolina)
Gary Condit (D-California, retired from office)
John Conyers, Jr. (D-Michigan)
Jerry Costello (D-Illinois)
William Coyne (D-Pennsylvania, retired from office)
Elijah Cummings (D-Maryland)
Susan Davis (D-California)
Danny Davis (D-Illinois)
Peter DeFazio (D-Oregon)
Diana DeGette (D-Colorado)
Bill Delahunt (D-Massachusetts)
Rosa DeLauro (D-Connecticut)
John Dingell (D-Michigan)
Lloyd Doggett (D-Texas)
Mike Doyle (D-Pennsylvania)
Anna Eshoo (D-California)
Lane Evans (D-Illinois)
Sam Farr (D-California)
Chaka Fattah (D-Pennsylvania)
Bob Filner (D-California)
Barney Frank (D-Massachusetts)
Charles Gonzalez (D-Texas)
Luis Gutierrez (D-Illinois)
Alice Hastings (D-Florida)
Earl Hilliard (D-Alabama, retired from office)
Maurice Hinchey (D-New York)
Ruben Hinojosa (D-Texas)
Rush Holt (D-New Jersey)
Mike Honda (D-California)
Darlene Hooley (D-Oregon)
Inslee
Jackson (Il.)
Jackson-Lee (TX)
Johnson, E.B.
Jones (OH)
Kaptur
Kildee
Kilpatrick
Kleczka
Kucinich
LaFalce
Langevin
Larsen (WA)
Larson (CT)
Lee
Levin
Lewis (GA)
Lipinski
Lofgren
Maloney (CT)
Matsui
McCarthy (MO)
McCollum
McDermott
McGovern
McKinney
Meek (FL)
Meeks (NY)
Menendez
Millender-McDonald
Miller
Mollohan
Moran (Va)
Nadler
Napolitano
Neal
Oberstar
Obey
Olver
Owens
Pallone
Pastor
Payne
Pelosi
Price (NC)
Rahall
Rangel
Reyes
Rivers
Rodriguez
Roybal-Allard
Rush
Sabo
Sanchez
Sanders
Sawyer
Schakowsky
Scott
Serrano
Slaughter
Snyder
Solis
Stark
Strickland
Stupak
Thompson (CA)
Thompson (MS)
Tierney
Towns
Udall (NM)
Udall (CO)
Velazquez
Visclosky
Waters
Watson
Watt
Woolsey
Wu

Hillary bailed on us and hundreds of thousands of Iraqis when we needed her the most.

[catgirl]

31. Thanks for clarifying this

Apparently some people think her vote for the war is okay. Well it's not
okay. Gore spoke out against it. He deserves the nomination. Hillary doesn't.

[Rydz777]

13. I'm holding out for Gore, but I'll gladly vote for Hillary. However,

Bush is going to leave our next Democratic President with a mountain of problems that could turn the new administration sour very fast. The worst of those problems would be this miserable war, and Bush fully intends to keep it going and dump it into the lap of his successor.

It is absolutely vital that our Democratic Congress use the power of the purse to stop the war NOW. Otherwise, President Gore, or President Clinton, or President Obama, or President Edwards, or whoever, will immediately face a problem that will take all the oxygen out of the new administration. It is the right thing to do - but it is also the politically smart thing to do - to stop this war NOW.

[karynnj]

16. This is a very poorly written story

It is not clear what the poll question was. The first sentence implies the poll question was who do you support. The second question sounds like the question was who do you think will win the nomination. These are not the same thing.

I absolutely will not vote Hillary Clinton in the primary, but I would respond Clinton if asked the second question. Clinton is the front runner and she clearly has the most media and party support.

It would be nice to know the question asked.

[illinoisprogressive]

20. bwaahahahahaha. you wish

[William769]

22. Doesn't seem to be our wish, seems to be America's!

:rofl:

[illinoisprogressive]

23. Does this look anything like 'fading'

Democrats really have two front-runners, not one: Obama in fundraising, Clinton in the polls. Moreover, the national polls don't mean a great deal when there is no national primary.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/07/23/sc.debate.preview/index.html

[BigDDem]

24. President Howard Dean had a lead

in fund raising also....

[Dawgs]

30. Yes, and he was one of the frontrunners.

Read much?

[William769]

25. Whats money got to do with it?

It doesn't seem to be helping him in the polls.

[rinsd]

28. Hillary now leads Obama in nearly every state poll in addition to national heats.

So Carolina is all over the place with polling though 4 out of the last 6 polls show Hillary in the lead and he of course lead his home state of IL.

[saracat]

29. She only has the best chance of winning among "DEmocrats' polled

and if every frigging DEmocrats votes, the candidate "still won't win!~ We need republican votes and those will go to either Obama or Edwards.Hillary is the most divisive candidate of the lot odf potential nominees.