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Pawel K Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 12:24 PM
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Questions on national security presidential directive/nspd 51
Edited on Mon Jul-23-07 12:27 PM by Pawel K
From what I read this is the executive order that if something bad happens Bush pretty much becomes a dictator. I finally got a chance to read this order today and I have a hard time finding where this is actually outlined within the order. Can someone please help me understand this? The text is here:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2007/05/20070509-12.html

Does the following not say that the constitutional framework will remain in tact in regards to seperation of powers?


e) "Enduring Constitutional Government," or "ECG," means a cooperative effort among the executive, legislative, and judicial branches of the Federal Government, coordinated by the President, as a matter of comity with respect to the legislative and judicial branches and with proper respect for the constitutional separation of powers among the branches, to preserve the constitutional framework under which the Nation is governed and the capability of all three branches of government to execute constitutional responsibilities and provide for orderly succession, appropriate transition of leadership, and interoperability and support of the National Essential Functions during a catastrophic emergency;


This whole thing is pretty damn scary so I am trying to get a better understanding of it.
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AndyA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 12:31 PM
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1. It's my understanding that Bush can say, write, and sign whatever he wants,
but anything that gives him super powers, or dictatorial powers is unconstitutional and as such would not be honored by Congress, or any other wing of government.

Bush may think he can do this if he wants to, but he cannot.

And I think any such attempt would result in his immediate removal from office. If he wants to be impeached, this would do it.
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atreides1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 12:41 PM
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3. And who will stop him?
Congress has very little authority or control over this administration, the SCOTUS is already padded with true believers in the "Unitary Executive", the military command is filled with Bush loyalists, and the military itself will follow just about any orders that this man issues.

So, who will stop him from pissing on the Constitution? Who will remove him from office?

Please, don't say the people, because in the long run the people will continue their lives as long as what he and his traitors do has no direct effect on them.

What you say would apply to anyone who cared, but we already know that this sociopath has no morals, and loves war and the death and destruction that it causes. The military will remain the loyal robots that they are, because so far they have failed to defend the US Constitution, and have failed in their sworn allegiance to "Support and Defend".

And in case anyone is wondering I am a veteran and served in Desert Storm, but I stopped drinking the kool-aid after Grenada.
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AndyA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 02:35 PM
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4. Do you really think EVERYONE in the military and police forces of America
is going to blindly follow this man?

There are a LOT of Democrats out there in positions of power, and I give some of them credit for knowing the difference between right and wrong. In fact, there are already reports that some higher ups in the military would refuse to invade Iran, unless Congress votes on going to war in a legal manner.

I think any movement toward imperialistic powers would ultimately be Bush and the GOP's undoing. There just isn't any support for them any longer.
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atreides1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 12:32 PM
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2. Just my theory.
"Enduring Constitutional Government," or "ECG," means a cooperative effort among the executive, legislative, and judicial branches of the Federal Government, coordinated by the President..."

Currently each branch provides it's own coordination. The President can have a bill introduced into Congress through members of Congress, it is the Congress that decides when that item get placed on the agenda. If this was coordinated by the President, instead of Congress wouldn't that be an indication of a dictatorship.

Now, think about the ramifications if the President was to coordinate when and what the Judicial Branch was to make decisions on, another example of a dictatorship.

This administration has never been direct, which is why learning to read between the lines comes in handy, especially regarding something like this!!!!
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