Cindy accomplished NOTHING today except antagonize one of the best members of Congress.

[saracat]

John Conyers has actually done constructive things to end the war by his votes and his committee chairmanship.Cindy has done nothing but shoot off her mouth and look uneducated. I am absolutely disgusted that she would stage such a scene in front of the office of one of the best friend that this nation has.She has lost all credibility in the eyes of many. Sheehan cannot even begin to compete with the contributions John Conyers has made to this nation.She should be ashamed.Go after the GOP.They are the ones that have to impeach.Just like with Nixon.Cindy is a disgrace.Go ahead.Flame away.This is how I and many others feel.Cindy did good things one upon a time.Her day is over.

[MNDemNY]

1. Sad, she has become, at best, counter productive.

[truebrit71]

2. No shit!!! Go after the warmongers Cindy....

...But then I'm just a member of the party that started all the wars in the past century...according to St. Cindy...

[Sequoia]

3. What happend, what did she do?

[babylonsister]

5. Pissed off a bunch of DUers because she's for ending the war and for

impeachment, and she had the audacity to confront Conyers! :wow:

[marylanddem]

12. Thank you, babylon sister.

I was there today & had the honor to exchange V signs with her. She is an amazing, courageous & honorable woman & I am appalled at the vitriol expressed toward her by some on this board. I just don't get it. Oh well.

[babylonsister]

24. I WISH I had been there, and thank you for representing!

This vitriol has been around for awhile; there's not much anyone can do but I'll be damned if I get shouted down. We are ALL entitled to our opinions.

[ClayZ]

104. I wish I had been there ... GO CINDY!

[Lerkfish]

28. good on ya, I got a code pink button from someone because I told them

how much I suport them in spirit, even though I live physically very far away. That button is proudly displayed on my computer monitor.

[pberq]

31. thank you for being there!

Cindy is the greatest - ignore the naysayers.

[marylanddem]

56. You're welcome! I know that so many folks simply live too far

away to come here for demonstrations, but for many on DU, it's a quick trip into D.C. & to participate is always, always an awesome reminder that we are indeed the people and have the right and responsibility to take to the streets when necessary. There will be what I suspect will be a huge demonstration Sept. 15.

[John Q. Citizen]

46. I think some people elevate party over country and constitution. It's a shame,

because if the excuse given by many of our elected officials is analyzed the end result is:

Impeachment is too time consuming, we want to pass legislation that bush can attach signing statements to and ignore completely, so passing it is completely a waste of time. Except we expect it to help us in the election in 08.

I would say this is a strategy for defeat in 08. How many voters would rush to support this? And how many voters will rush to vote for a party that seems totally unwilling to defend our constitution and our country in favor of assumed ascension to power in 08?

[pberq]

65. Yes, John Q. - good summary

Remember the summer of Howard Dean - it finally seemed like we had someone who was actually going to stand up against the powers that be. People turned out in droves to support him.

This strategic calculation that not impeaching is going to help the Dems in '08 is wrong, just plain wrong.

[madfloridian]

36. No...because she is targeting the good guys.

She has contempt for the ones who are really trying. So does a PDA member here at DU who works with her.

To have contempt for the Democrats who work their butts off is nothing but contemptous to me.

She is taking over the office of one of our best guys. Take over Lieberman's office or something.

[babylonsister]

44. You wouldn't like her regardless of who she's going after, as is your

right. I just don't agree.

[madfloridian]

51. That is just not true. I think people should make good decisions...

about whom they target.

Lieberman gets away without a word from her, and Conyers office is overwhelmed.

What is right about that?

Not like her? That is not the point. It is not a matter of liking or not.

[kiteinthewind]

83. Uh, Lieberman didn't hold hearings about this f**king criminal and say he was going to act and then

NOT!!! Lieberman is an SOB, but he never said he was going to do something about Bush. Conyers did and now he is backing out.

"I have a choice. I can either stand by and lead my constituents to believe I do not care that the president apparently no longer believes he is bound by any law or code of decency. Or I can act." --Rep. John Conyers

Still waiting for him to 'ACT'. Until then, he is fair game, just like all the other spineless creatures in D.C.

:grr:

[ProudDad]

82. And your information backing this assumption comes from where?

"She has contempt for the ones who are really trying. So does a PDA member here at DU who works with her."

or are you putting words and thoughts in the minds and mouths of someone you know nothing about???

[Sequoia]

43. Well, that sure ain't lady like.

[marylanddem]

60. self-delete

[John Q. Citizen]

68. You have me chuckling. Good one!

[babylonsister]

76. It 'ain't'? Would 'annoyed' work for you? nt

[rodeodance]

71. te he. well said.

[LittleClarkie]

90. Oh sure, that's why they're upset. Because she's for ending the war

Why misrepresent the position of those who disagree?

And please don't ignore one of the main reasons several here have lost faith in Cindy: her comments regarding the Democratic Party, and her decision to run against a Democrat. There are quite a few Democrats here, and neither have sat well with several of them.

Also, many rather like Conyers, and don't think he deserved the protest. To think that is their right. It doesn't mean those who feel this way love war or hate the Constitution or hate Cindy.

[Freddie Stubbs]

108. It is her tactics, not her politics, which have disgusted many Democrats

[Raven]

4. Oh! Thank you, thank you, thank you. Would you like to join me

in the bunker? Cindy's actions today really helped me make my mind up about where I stand on a lot of things. But, this is typical of what we do...we miss the main tent and go to the sideshows and we eat our own (Conyers). Too bad we don't learn from the past.

[The_Casual_Observer]

6. Somebody needs to light a fire under his ass.

Jesus, that slow talking slow moving bullshit is enough to drive anybody crazy. No wonder
she's pissed. I don't see anything wrong with it at all.

[rodeodance]

73. well, the fire was low cause Conyers told her that elections was the way to go.

[democratsin08]

7. what???

what contributions has conyers made? i have much more respect for a private citizen like the great cindy sheehan than i have for any politician. how hard is it for conyers or any politician to use taxpayers money as a play thing? cindy sheehan has my utmost respect and admiration.

[Love Bug]

21. What contributions has John Conyers made?

I'm sure there are many here who can answer this better than me, but while congress was controlled by the republicans, Conyers was one of the few Democrats willing to investigate the Bush administration, even though the republicans in control at the time wouldn't even allow him the SPACE to do so -- he had to have hearings in the basement, fer crying out loud. He's been doing this for YEARS while he's been ignored by the media, congress and many in his own party. I admire Cindy Sheehan for what she has done for the peace movement, but she's going after the wrong Democrat. She needs to go after the Republicans who voted for this war and got her son killed in the first place. Impeachment is impossible without Republican votes in Congress. They are the ones who should be targeted.

[babylonsister]

23. Sheehan and McGovern joined Conyers in that basement for the

hearing on the DSM: I think they're just trying to use some persuasion on Mr. Conyers, and don't imagine there's a lot of enmity involved.

http://www.idyllopuspress.com/meanwhile/?p=234

Downing Street Minutes and Pre-War Intelligence
U.S. House of Representatives, Conyers, J. (D-MI)
Washington, District of Columbia (United States)
ID: 187209 - 06/16/2005 - 2:00 - ns

Conyers, John Jr., U.S. Representative, D-MI
Bonifaz, John C., Founder, National Voting Rights Institute
Wilson, Joseph, Deputy Chief of Mission (1988-91), Iraq
McGovern, Ray, Member, Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity
Sheehan, Cindy, Mother

Rep. John Conyers, Jr., and other Democrats hold a public meeting concerning the “Downing Street Memo” and pre-war intelligence on Iraq.

On May 1, 2005 a Sunday London Times article disclosed the details of a classified memo, also known as the “Downing Street Minutes”, recounting the minutes of a July 2002 meeting of Prime Minister Tony Blair with his advisers that depicted an American president already committed to going to war in the summer of 2002, despite contrary assertions to the public and the Congress. The minutes also described apparent efforts by Bush administration officials to manipulate intelligence data in order to justify the war to the international community.

[rodeodance]

74. and Ray McGovern was by her side today.

[truedelphi]

37. Conyer's contributions are immense

I dearly love Sheehan, but at times she doesn't do the best thing.

OTOH, if I had lost my son, I would be so bonkers as to be scary. And since violence as retribution for a life lost does not accomplish anything but more violence - well, I just have to say, she's a better mom than I am.

[pat_k]

114. . . .have been immense, and are being undone by refusal to impeach. (nt)

[ProudDad]

84. Well that's just great

SO WHY THE FUCK ISN'T HE IMPEACHING THEIR ASSES?????

"Conyers was one of the few Democrats willing to investigate the Bush administration"

It appears he was willing when he couldn't get a fucking room but...

Where are the impeachment hearings now??? Where are the hearings about the Downing Street Memo now??? Where are the hearings about the many and varied crimes against International Law NOW???

The god damn invertebrate Dems should have 6 hearings going at all times investigating the crimes of the bush crime family. It ain't like they don't have any to investigate...

Light a FIRE under the bastards until they do their fucking job!!!!

In case you've forgotten Conyers, here's your job description:

"I, Loyal Citizen of the Republic, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter."

[marylanddem]

8. She is exercising her Constitutional rights. Sorry some don't approve.

[democratsin08]

9. very true!

[closeupready]

10. Yeah, really, why doesn't she spend her energy focusing it on the true warmongers?

I get her frustration, but Cindy, if you are going to draw media attention to somebody's misdeeds, make it count.

[ProudDad]

86. Conyers is the ONLY ONE who can

schedule impeachment hearings.

Impeachment is the Constitutional remedy for a pResident usurping power...

Who are we supposed to lobby for redress of grievences? John Boner???

[spotbird]

11. They need to be antagonized

Waiting isn't getting it done.

[mitchtv]

14. She needs to get her ass down here in Palm Springs

and bug Mary Bono who votes for war all the time. We need some morale boosting in a possible swing district, but no she's feeding the trolls.

[truedelphi]

40. Now that's a great suggestion! n/t

[John Q. Citizen]

75. Have you occupied Bono's office?

[mitchtv]

91. My occupying days are over

you can't take your meds to jail. I did bring an offensive pic of Bush to the last demo at her office however,I went home tho, to care for partner

[Manifestor_of_Light]

95. Then in that case I can't demonstrate either. Too many meds.

[mitchtv]

106. there comes a point when the young must take over the

barricades. I still love to go to demos, but I am not just caring for myself., and jail throws a monkey wrench into all that stuff. Personal experience taught me that once inside you are on your own.Legal shit? count me in, but my politics are not as mild, Qhat we really need around these parts is a large scale campaign of freeway blogging (No gymnastics, I'll drive or get coffee) Grafitti needs to return to its roots as a voice for the voiceless.

[LoZoccolo]

13. Agreed. But did she ever get some attention for herself! n/t

[democratsin08]

17. i admire her

this is why i admire cindy. she didnt use her anti-war stance for politics and to simply blast bush. mrs sheehan believes what she says with every fiber of her being. politics mean nothing to her, only doing what is right is on her mind.

[acmavm]

15. Don't you know, it's all about her. There would be NO antiwar movement

without her. And today you've seen the proof.

:sarcasm:

[LostInAnomie]

81. No kidding. I can't believe so many people remember the massive marches before the war.

Because, clearly that didn't happen. There was no anti-war movement before Camp Casey. If you remember one you are lying to yourself! :sarcasm:

[BlueStater]

16. As a private citizen not in any position of power, she's done more than Dems have

So far the Democrats have been 0-2 among ending the war and standing up to the Chimp.

[onenote]

22. and Cindy has ended the war?

I must have missed the announcement.

Look, Cindy's contributions to the antiwar movement were considerable (although she didn't create the movement). She put a visible face on the sacrifice that people were being asked to make for this useless endeavor. ANd I have no doubt that she helped persuade many people who instinctively and unquestionably supported the war to question it. But at this point, the public recognizes in considerable measure that the war was a mistake and wants us to get out. It would make more sense to me if Cindy would focus her efforts against the repubs that are blocking efforts to set a timetable (which is something that has widespread public support) rather than to go after Democrats who consistently vote against the war.

[WCGreen]

30. Her and Billy Jack....

[JeffR]

18. Conyers will continue to do what he does. This won't stop him.

Cindy will continue to do what she does, too.

Good for both of them, I say.

[babylonsister]

19. Hey, are you a politician?

:rofl: :toast:

[JeffR]

20. Just a humble pinhead who can admire Sheehan & Conyers

simultaneously. But I'm trying hard to get with the absolutist either/or mindset!
:hi:

[rateyes]

41. Fellow pinhead here!

:hi:

[noamnety]

25. She did more than I did today to stop the war.

How about yourself?

[saracat]

62. I am working to get Dems elected so we can end the war.I was contructive.

I did more than Cindy IMHO

[madfloridian]

26. She only goes after the good guys.

:shrug:

[saracat]

32. And that is so true Madflo.I think she thinks it gets her more "face time" on TV!

[madfloridian]

27. The Dems who are voting with Republicans she leaves alone.

When did she last picket Lieberman's office?

When did she take over Ben or Bill Nelson's offices?

And so on.

[madfloridian]

29. Occupy Joementum's office.

.

[question everything]

33. It is time we start to ignore her

The woman had her 15 min of fame and is now desperately trying to hold on to them.

Go home, Cindy. Try to find other venues for the loss of your child and your marriage.. like volunteer at a VA hospital.

[eridani]

34. Cindy--take on some Repubs for a change, 'kay? n/t

[mitchtv]

92. My point exactly

.......

[pberq]

35. "Nothing" ?- as in the only person who is taking the bull by the horns

Cindy is acting, rather than following the "wait and see" approach of the so-called Democratic leaders.

We have an administration that has tossed out the Constitution and committed innumerable crimes. This is not time for keeping our powder dry. What happened to "Give me liberty or give me death"?

[madfloridian]

38. Why does she attack and insult the ones who work the hardest for us?

No one answers that.

Target Lieberman, target those who don't support us. Not the ones who do.

[pberq]

55. So how are they working hardest for us when they say

that impeachment is off the table?

In fact, they are violating their oath to uphold the Constitution if they do not proceed with impeachment immediately.

The Bush administration has declared themselves above the law - does that remind you of anyone? (maybe Hitler or Stalin?). Now is the time for impeachment, not later.

[madfloridian]

59. Well, then let her have it. Go after the ones who do try.

Let those like Lieberman alone.

Whatever makes her happy.

[Proud_Lefty]

39. Cindy has accomplished a lot

She stands steadfast for peace, speaks truth and isn't afraid to admit her shortcomings, which causes growth in not only her personal endeavors, but the entire movement that formed beneath her. We all make choices in life that may or may not be the best according to everyone with their vast differences of opinion, but those that stand up and do the best they can, fighting for what most of us are too fearful to do, is certainly someone I would never attempt to condemn. Instead I applaud her.

I also feel sorry for the politicians that obviously are being blackmailed or threatened. There's just no other reasonable excuse for the actions of our elected officials that are more afraid of the White House than they are of their constituents. Conyers is awesome, but something pulls him back every once in a while, something that stinks big time (like maybe Cheney).

[truedelphi]

42. Quoting you: Conyers is awesome, but something pulls him back every once in a while, something that

I sense that in him as well - are there specifics that you can mention??

[Proud_Lefty]

78. People in DC are threatened

It was well known that Paul Wellstone was called into Cheney's office before the vote on Iraq and Cheney told him that "grave consequences" would come to him if he voted against it. Wellstone voted against it and later, him and his whole family were killed in a plane accident. All of DC was freaked out, knowing it could have been any of them. This is deadly stuff here.

Back in the 90's, Ross Pero was gaining too much speed on his presidential campaign. Bush Sr. and Clinton tried laughing him off, but the public loved his brains and plans to fix our economy. As he was working his way ahead, all the sudden, he dropped out of the campaign. Months later, in an interview, he said that he was receiving calls from the White House threatening his family. People just blew it off, but I understood why he backed out.

Now you look at all the senators and congress members selling out their souls / ideals for the benefit of the crooks in the White House. It doesn't make sense at all until you put together these two known stories of physical threats together with the many stories of sex parties, drugs, cameras and heavyduty blackmail. Don't forget how our media can get Joe Public all worked up about anything it wants, even who the father is of Anna Nichol-Smith's baby. Get a picture out or a stained blue dress and the media can manipulate us like no one ever realizes, keeping these creeps stronger and our devoted politicians, even our closest ally, John Conyers, at their mercy.

[truedelphi]

80. Proud_Lefty, what you write is very sobering

His family was knocked off with him - too often the fact (that so many went down with him) is overlooked.

Yes they are capable of this.

[Proud_Lefty]

98. Yes, he was my best friend's college professor

Once you have a dynamic politician standing up for what is right, without reservation, bad things happen. It's so sad.

[Old and In the Way]

45. Too bad she didn't apply this heat to moderate Republicans who

need to feel the anger firsthand. Beating up on Conyers won't change his position...he needs the heat applied to those that cover for this administration.

[mzmolly]

47. I agree.

No flames here Saracat, just a thanks.

John Conyers employed Rosa Parks, his record in congress is astounding. He will impeach when he can move ahead. The timing of such an action will not be because a well meaning woman, who was thrust into the spotlight, needs more attention.

[pberq]

57. "needs more attention"????

Give me a break!! Here we go with the "attention whore" BS.

Why don't you save your criticism for the real enemies - Bush, Cheney, et. al.

[mzmolly]

61. Why doesn't Cindy ...

"save criticism for the real enemies - Bush, Cheney, et. al." Give ME a break!

[TwilightGardener]

64. Exactly.

[pberq]

67. Because Conyers is in a position to actually do something

about Bush and Cheney. I have a lot of respect for him, but he is holding the keys in his hands. Meaning he has the power to save our Democracy.

If he doesn't start impeachment, then this country has been turned into a dictatorship.

[mzmolly]

77. I think he will start impeachment in time, but it will not be because of Cindy Sheehan

IMHO.

[rateyes]

48. I don't think you give Congressman Conyers a lot of

credit. He's not easily antagonized. I think he agrees with her. This will get him even more face-time to talk about the wimps on impeachment. "I want to impeach. I really do. Cheney, Bush and Gonzo all deserve to be impeached. I'm waiting for others to come my way." That's what I believe we'll hear from Mr. Conyers. And, Cindy might have just served as the catalyst to get him the air time to say it.

[ProudDad]

87. Finally a voice of reason!

Thanks.

I've tried to say this on this board before -- putting pressure on Conyers helps Conyers -- but some just can't see the forest through their knee-jerk Cindy-Hate...

[TwilightGardener]

49. I agree--wasted effort, counterproductive, and a circus sideshow to boot--

I hate that kind of stuff. Take impeachment and turn it into a fringey-far-left idea, complete with sit-ins, "hey hey ho ho" chants, and cheesy arrest scenes, and the rest of middle America won't want to be associated with it--she's hurting more than helping, and I'm not even talking about the challenge to Pelosi (a non-threat if ever there was one). At the very least, go sit in Mitch McConnell's or John Warner's office, Cindy. Give THEM a headache, force THEM to deal with you--not a guy who's busy investigating ChimpCo crimes.

[Lerkfish]

58. say you have two uncles...

one is a skinflint miser who hates you, won't speak to you and never sees you.
and another is the one who gives you hugs and occasionally buys you a cheeseburger.

who do you go to when you need a favor?

[TwilightGardener]

63. Pretty dumb, then, to harrass the cheeseburger-and-hugs guy. You

might just find yourself alone and hungry.

[Lerkfish]

66. even dumber to harrass the skinflint, though, no?

you're suggesting she harrass the skinflint. Why? do you feel that is more likely to succeed?

[TwilightGardener]

79. Why would drawing attention to Conyers and Pelosi help the impeachment

cause? It's certainly not going to force either of them act--they've already considered the angles, the politics, and the logistics of it, and it won't be Sheehan who pushes them into something they have decided not to do--I wouldn't respond to those tactics, either, if I were them. It's also preaching to the choir, in terms of public perception. Anti-war/impeachment activists aren't drawing attention to the lying, unpatriotic, obstructionist GOP, they're eating their own instead. How does that change public perception or get anyone fired up, except for a few here on DU who are only too eager for a chance to bash Democrats every chance they get?

[Lerkfish]

85. Its a sad day when elected officials are to be unswayed by what the public wants

and you just applauded their intransigence.

why do you hate democracy?

[TwilightGardener]

93. I hope you're kidding.

I'm not "applauding" thier intransigence. I am for impeachment. This just isn't going to make it happen, OR make it palatable to Joe and Mary Sixpack. THEY are the force that will get impeachment to happen, because they have had enough of Bush and their GOP enablers--average citizens, Repub, Dem, Indie, unaffiliated--and disrupting Conyers' office and threatening Nancy will probably not appeal to them. It doesn't win me over. Focusing a spotlight on the GOP/ChimpCo cockroaches and their insidious activities is the way to go--NOT attacking those who are useful to the mission.

[goodhue]

50. Conyers can handle it.

It is good for him to be reminded that many people support impeachment and that himself appeared supportive until Pelosi took it off the table.

[Peggy Day]

52. I don't know all the details, but the media is what I would like to see challenged.

They prevent many things from getting to the people, and some people don't believe it, if it wasn't on MSM. Go figure.
I really like John Conyers, and Pelosi. I get frustrated also when the Democrats don't behave like I'd like them to. Sometimes I just want to give up. My son says I care too much.

[JudyM]

111. Ding! That's where she ought to be putting her time, IMHO. She might fear losing future coverage.

So much of the problem is that the media isn't doing real journalism, isn't even focusing on the real issues.

[Cooley Hurd]

53. .

:thumbsdown:<-for the OP, not for Ms Sheehan...

[Hissyspit]

54. Oh, my god! Oh, my god! Cindy Sheehan!

Eeeeeeeeeeeeeek!! ...

[rodeodance]

69. Conyers not the type to be antagonized.

[smiley_glad_hands]

70. She should be attacking Moderate Repugs not dems. eom

[ProudDad]

88. Oh, that's going to work

:sarcasm:

[ljm2002]

72. She's an activist...

...and activists of necessity step on people's toes.

Now I am a great admirer of John Conyers, and I believe him to be a man of integrity. He has certainly pushed a lot of things forward that need pushing and I am thankful for that. And I'm a bit torn about making his the office that gets the demonstration...

...but on the other hand, he and the other Democratic members of Congress need to hear from the people now and then as to what are appropriate priorities.

We hear every day, on the damned talk-news programs, how it's the "antiwar left" that is pushing impeachment. Never will you hear an acknowledgment that in fact 49% of the people are for starting impeachment against Bush, and 51% favor starting impeachment against Cheney. Yet if you watch MSM you'll still think it's somehow a radical position to take.

I dunno. It's hard. I don't want our party to self-destruct, but damn, I'm fed up with the status quo.

So what would be a constructive action that addresses the absolute, utter outrageousness of not impeaching everyone in this illegal immoral regime? And how many laws does an office holder need to break before they can be impeached without all the hand-wringing?

I'm not just asking rhetorically.

[file83]

97. "The Protestor Formerly Known as Anti-War Cindy Sheehan"

Is she now "The Protester Known as the Impeachment Cindy Sheehan"?

Will the real Cindy Sheehan please stand up...

[LittleClarkie]

89. Since Reid and the Senate also accomplished nothing in their overnighter

Can we then say the same about Cindy that others are saying about that night? That it was an empty political stunt?

Are these things defined by their results? Or were both actions good in their way if they brought more debate or more attention or more media to the issue?

I'm not happy with the idea that people will cheer Cindy even if her action didn't have a real result, and yet some will belittle the Senate for their action because it didn't have a real result.

Maybe it's all good.

[jenmarie]

94. Right.

Conyers specifically asked us to be patient. He knows exacty who and what he (and we) are dealing with and I trust that he knows the best way to approach this. The actions taken against him today were disrespectful of someone who deserves nothing but the greatest respect from all of us.

From The Brad Blog

...
"What are we waiting for? Let's take these two guys out," Conyers reportedly told the enthusiastic crowd at a Progressive Democrats of America event in San Diego. He later repeated the same line according to the caller, "KPete," who wrote more about the event at Democratic Underground yesterday. She reported that the comment was met by "huge cheers."

A similar account of Conyers's statement was offered by progressive talk show host Bree Walker who also attended the same event.

Conyers reportedly urged patience in the process, and asked for everyone's support as things moved forward first with Cheney, and then with Bush.

The entire hour on Impeachment from Friday's show with de la Vega can be heard as archived on this previous post.

[JI7]

96. it makes no sense to me

and i don't see why some are bringing up the civil rights and other previous protests. this isn't about being against protest. it's about protesting someone who is already on your side.

how the fuck is protesting pelosi and conyers going to change anything ? remember Pelosi tried to get Murtha to be majority leader but her own party in congress supported the other guy. i wonder if Cindy knows how congress works.

[ProudDad]

99. Damn, I guess I missed the listing

in the TV guide.

When were the Conyer's Impeachment hearings on CSPAN???


On Edit:

The ONLY thing that Murtha has gotten right in years is opposition to Iraq. He's not opposed to war, just un-winnable wars. Other than that, he's never seen a bloated, expensive weapons system he couldn't love...

Most of the time Congress is crooked as hell. It's a snake-pit of dirty deals, influence peddling and corruption...Dem or repuke...

But, once in a great while, like during the nixon impeachment process, they rise above the muck and protect the Constitution and by extension, We the People of the United States.

I pray that once again, they can rise above their normal concupiscence and perform as well as their predecessors did during nixon.

Gird your loins with this: http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/barbarajordanjudiciarystatement.htm

[JI7]

100. he wants to be sure he will have votes to actually get impeachment

there are people who would vote against impeachment even if they think and admit Bush did wrong. just as Republicans continue supporting Bush on the war in Iraq even though they know it's just leading to more disaster.

[ProudDad]

102. If their phones were ringing off the hook

with calls from their constituents demanding Impeachment and Removal...there'd be plenty of votes...

At bottom, it's the Impeachment process is right thing to do whether victory is assured or not. It's only their solemn oath they'd be fulfilling.

http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/barbarajordanjudiciarystatement.htm

[saltpoint]

101. I give credit where it's due to Cindy Sheehan but I have loved Conyers

longer and more.

I feel he's one of the best there ever was and that she needs to pick her fights more wisely.

[TheDonkey]

103. I thought she retired? her games are getting old

how about she uses her energy to go after the WH, which has the power to end this carnage.

[Hippo_Tron]

105. Supposedly Conyers has said he'll impeach if he gets three more supporters in Congress

If Cindy wants impeachment she should start working on getting 3 more supporters.

[sniffa]

107. another cindy thread by you

from the one cLaiming cindy's sucked the Life out of DU.

awesome.

[Lerkfish]

109. it does make one wonder.

do they dislike impeachment, or just hate cindy?

[Kat 333]

110. Thanks for a great post ...

You're right. This is how many others feel. Myself included.

:applause:

[BigDDem]

112. Sweetie, Ralph Nader is holding for you on line one...

Retire already, like you said you would.
My slaves second that.

[pat_k]

113. There is NO "constructive" short of impeachment.

Everything is hostage to the monarchical regime. As long as impeachment is "off the table," the Congressional leadership will not tangibly advance any other "priority" they claim impeachment would "distract" them from.

If they could manage to "cut the funding" with a veto-proof majority, bushncheney have proven that they have no qualms about claiming the "right" to nullify with a signing statement.

If they decide to invoke their inherent power to hold Meirs in contempt, bushncheney, and their allies in the war on the the Constitution on SCOTUS have proven they wouldn't hesitate to issue a treasonous edict to strip them of that power. Anything the leadership does, short of impeachment, is just an opportunity for the fascists to say f-off and wait for to SCOTUS to (bush v) "gore" them.

The Democratic Party's historical "weakness" is what got us into this mess. As long as the possibility of impeachment is banned from the "reality" of the beltway, Democrats will continue to prove the electorate's perception that they are wimps.

Even in the beltway it is the assumption that the Democrats ARE WIMPS that has led them to conclude "The Dems aren't gonna impeach. No way; no how."

Conyers is the closest thing we had to an impeachment advocate. His refusal to act is the BIGGEST barrier we face to making impeachment a reality.

Conyers is making a HORRIBLE mistake. He is one of the ones most likely to wake up to reality. If he doesn't wake up before the 110th Congress adjourns, I have little doubt that he will regret it to the end of his days.

The "attackers" who are seeking to rescue the Constitution are doing Conyers a service.