I got a response from Conservative Idiot number 25A

[ProudDad]

Check out #25: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=103x296086

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I emailed carl wimmer and included his part of the Conservative Idiots #25, a brief review of SiCKO and the information from the SiCKO facts pages at Michael Moore's website.

I got the following back from him:

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Dearest Socialists,

While I know your hero Karl Marx would be proud of your attempt to bring communist ideals to the U.S, not to mention your trashy language; I am unimpressed....Please send your drivel to someone who is actually uneducated, so that you might actually convince them that destroying America with communism is good....

As for me, don't email me again or I will block your email address.

Representative Wimmer
House District 52

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WOOHOO, carl wimmer's gonna put me on ignore!!!! Do I get a medal or something???




All let all of you "Socialists" decide what you'd like to do...




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I've just replied:

What trashy language?
I just want my brothers and sisters and me and your brother to have reliable, inexpensive Health Care...
That ain't gonna happen as long as the greedy for-profit health INSURANCE companies are involved...

You might want to check out what you're opposing:

http://www.house.gov/conyers/news_hr676_2.htm


The United States National Health Insurance Act, H.R. 676
(“Expanded & Improved Medicare For All”)


(and then I included the summary from John Conyer's health care page)

[jeff30997]

1. "send your drivel to someone who is actually uneducated"

Well,that's exactly what you did isn't it.

[ProudDad]

5. Yep

I guess I did. :rofl:

[eppur_se_muova]

2. Wow, how totally unprofessional. Doesn't he have an aide screen for protocol? nt

[ProudDad]

4. I guess they don't have enough money for that in Utah

I guess they're very repuke except for Rocky Anderson...


His site was very easy to find: http://www.le.state.ut.us/house/members2005/bios2005.asp?id=52




Ah, fuck, I didn't notice when I picked up his email address -- he's a fucking cop!!!

Well, I guess I can't ever visit Herriman, UT now... :shrug:

[sarcasmo]

14. Thanks, I just sent an uneducated email to that Nazi.

[AndrewJacksonFaction]

19. The mustache should have been a give away.

[HughBeaumont]

31. It's the former jock powerliftah stache.

He looks and sounds like a jingo Reaganite COCK.

[jgraz]

3. "idiot" doesn't begin to cover it

What a useless piece of shit.

[Hong Kong Cavalier]

6. See, this is why I can't talk to these maggots

I would have responded with "Fuck off and die, you punk-ass little un-American shitstain." I'm no good at talking to Republicans anymore.

You did good.

[Lautremont]

7. He's going to block your email address

with his 250 lb bench press.

Or maybe with his nonsensical punctuation. Talk about uneducated! What kind of a place is this "Utah"? I've only been there once, and that was Park City in the middle of the Sundance Film Festival. I'm guessing it's not representative of Utah in general.

[BlueJazz]

8. Quite Frankly..This Guy sounds like he is Bought and Paid-For by..

...the Insurance Lobby.

[ProudDad]

10. Naw, not the insurance lobby

This guy:

[shenmue]

9. I cannot believe this idjit "represents" anything

How ignorant and rude. Guess he never learned any manners. Or facts.

[Yukari Yakumo]

42. It's Utah, home of Hatch. Whatdaya expect? {nt}

[TheBaldyMan]

11. beautiful

:hi: from another socialist, all power to the soviets comrade :rofl:

[ProudDad]

12. I also got a response from #25B

A much more rational individual::

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Only on a democrat web site could I make number 25 in a top ten site.

Brad Daw

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Ah, a sense of humor. So I sent him:

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Ah, but you were lucky. It was a special 300th edition expanded to the top 30. Any other week you wouldn't have made the list at all...

I must admit you're much more civil than your fellow #25 -- wimmer the cop...

Cheers;

<me>

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Then he sent me this link:

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http://www.townhall.com/columnists/JohnStossel/2007/07/...

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So I sent him this:

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Don't be on the wrong side of history on this subject... The rest of the industrialized world has decided that their citizens DESERVE health CARE...not insurance, CARE and that the for-profit industries should have little or NOTHING to do with health care...

I'll call your john stossel (not a great source of rational thought) and raise you the majority of the American People...

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Public Opinion Snapshot: Universal Health Care Momentum Swells

*More and More Americans Say: Time to Guarantee Health Care Coverage for All
*

*http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/2007/03/opinion_...

*


Poll Shows Majority Back Health Care for All

A majority of Americans say the federal government should guarantee health insurance to every American, especially children, and are willing to pay higher taxes to do it, according to the latest New York Times/CBS News Poll.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/01/washington/01cnd-poll...


Poll: The Politics Of Health Care


Most Americans Favor Universal Health Care, Give Democrats Edge On
Improving System

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/03/01/opinion/polls...



Universal health care: We can't afford not to

http://blogs.usatoday.com/oped/2006/10/universal_healt....

/The public wants the government to play a leading role in providing health care for all/. For example, in an October, 2003 /Washington Post//ABC poll, by almost a two-to-one margin (62 percent to 33 percent), Americans said that they preferred a universal system that would provide coverage to everyone under a government program, as opposed to the current employer-based system.

http://www.motherjones.com/commentary/columns/2005/09/u...





Fox News: Universal health care breeds terrorists.

http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/05/fox-news-universal-... /

Oooops, how did that one get in there? Oh well, consider the source...






http://www.amsa.org/uhc/uhcres.cfm

http://cthealth.server101.com/the_case_for_universal_he...

http://www.pnhp.org /


Cheers;

<Me again>

[kineneb]

13. so dying because one cannot get health care is "communist"?

Hmmm. Guess we have to pull out that great comeback:

"I refuse to have a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent."

[EstimatedProphet]

21. No, dying because one can't get health care is AMERICAN!

[proud patriot]

15. Thanks for sharing this

:yourock:

[NMDemDist2]

16. I signed up for my local Conservative Idiot's email 'newsletters'

I sent a couple comments back and, by golly!! I don't seem to be on the list anymore.

My representative in Washington DC put me on ignore. and I was very polite both times.

odd eh??

:evilgrin:

[ProudDad]

29. I feel your pain

Gad!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arizona's_6th_congressional_district

But, JEFF FLAKE!!!! a republican...

You couldn't make that up!!! :rofl:


And we thought we had a little of an uphill battle here in the 8th (rating R+1) with Gabby Giffords (after many years with the wonderful, perfectly Progressive Barbara Lee)...

[NMDemDist2]

34. oooppss I've moved

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Pearce

In 2005, Pearce was embroiled in controversy when his press secretary was found to have plagiarized several articles from think tanks like the Heritage Foundation. The articles were published under Pearce's name in small papers throughout New Mexico. His press secretary resigned shortly after the story broke.

[ProudDad]

38. Oh, God

another fucking economist...the dismal "science"...

[TroubleMan]

17. Oh no!!!! It's so hard to get a new email address!!

That might take you 5 minutes!

That's a serious gauntlet he laid down there.

[momster]

18. Can You Send This to His District's Newspaper?

Include the whole exchange. Maybe it'll wake up a few people (I know...it's Utah, reddest state in the land of the Free) to just how cavalier and uncaring their rep is, not to mention rude.

Gee, it would be nice if these guys could figure out the differences between socialism, communism, fascism, and ordinary common compassion for those less fortunate than oneself. The distinctions between the first three could perhaps be taught but how on earth do you teach compassion to the 'I-got-mine-and-so-despise-you' crowd? Their mommas should have taken care of it. Too late now, I guess.

[progressoid]

20. Wow, is he always that big of a dick?

[sendero]

22. Awwww....

... the widdle Republican warriors are watching helplessly as their sick dreams of the early millennium fade into a miasma of malfeasance and distrust.

They are mighty touchy now, they know that their perk-encrusted bullshit jobs are in jeopardy.

Call a wwwwaaaaaahhhhhhhhmmmm bulance.

[rasputin1952]

23. This is one sick individual....essentially, he is relying on others to bail

a relative out of a medical death sentence.

is the face of "compassionate conservatism"?

I am not in UT, but I am ashamed that this person is in a position of power in the US. :(

Yes, send this to papers and other outlets throughout his district, people like this should not be in office...:grr:

[knitter4democracy]

24. "I'm a socialist whose hero is Jesus" would be my reply.

Moore is right. We should be calling it Christianized medicine and see how they can fight that meme.

[Dragonbreathp9d]

25. is having Karl Marx as a hero a bad thing?

Not my favorite but hes defnately up there

[abq e streeter]

26. The symptom

And once again, sadly, it is important to remember that the ...ahem.. honorable Mr. Wimmer didn't become a state representative by osmosis... The blame lies , as always, with the self-evidently ignorant jerks who freely chose to vote for him. He, and all the others like him, are the symptom, not the disease. If not Wimmer, it'd be someone else. But I unfortunately can't envision a time when enough people laugh at ignoramuses like him to cast them into history's trash-heap, where they belong. I suppose we all know people that would vote for people like him, but it really is mind-boggling to realize how many of them are out there. My brain hurts just thinking about it...

[Canuckistanian]

27. Take this to a newspaper

I think his constituents should get a good look at their Representative.

[unpossibles]

28. "send [it] to someone who is actually uneducated"

I guess he's sharing his election winning stratergies with you! That's HUGH!

[ProudDad]

30. I just sent this to the Newspaper Reporters

who wrote the article... http://www.sltrib.com/ci_6400537

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I emailed Rep. Wimmer yesterday and attempted to persuade him in a civil manner, with facts, that it would be better for the entire community if we had universal health care.

I though you might like to see his response:

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Dearest Socialists,

While I know your hero Karl Marx would be proud of your attempt to bring communist ideals to the U.S, not to mention your trashy language; I am unimpressed....Please send your drivel to someone who is actually uneducated, so that you might actually convince them that destroying America with communism is good....
As for me, don't email me again or I will block your email address.
Representative Wimmer
House District 52



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I guess that would be a no for Universal Health Care, right Carl?

It would be nice for his constituents to know about their obviously unstable representative...don't you think?


I then responded to Mr. Wimmer with this email:

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What trashy language?

I just want my brothers and sisters and me and your brother to have reliable, inexpensive Health Care...

That ain't gonna happen as long as the greedy for-profit health INSURANCE companies are involved...

You might want to check out what you're opposing:

http://www.house.gov/conyers/news_hr676_2.htm


The United States National Health Insurance Act, H.R. 676
(“Expanded & Improved Medicare For All”)

<<summary of HR676>>

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I didn't get a response from Mr. Wimmer. I guess I'm on Carl's blacklist now...

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On the other hand, Mr. Daw responded with humor and a rational attempt to persuade me that his view was the correct one.

It isn't, but that's ok, he was decent about it...

He seems to be someone with whom one could hold a rational discussion on the subject.


Thanks for the article;

<Me>
<My Town>

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PS: You might like to know that your article was cited in the World Famous Top 10 Conservative Idiots of the Week at DU (expanded to 30 for the 300th Issue):

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/top10/300

Your guys are number 25...

[LWolf]

32. "Dearest Socialists?"

"Your hero Karl Marx?"

:wtf:

This is an actual Congressman in the U.S. House of Representatives?

I'm not sure whether to laugh or cry. The dittoheads come out of the closet in Congress. What's next? Ann Coulter in the Senate?

[ProudDad]

33. Naw, he's a small fish

a "representative" in the Utah House or Assembly or whatever they call it there...

[LWolf]

35. Whew! That's a small relief. n/t

[Ikonoklast]

36. "The Tabernacle Choir" n/t

[janx]

37. WOW. I agree.

Civil discourse? What kind of nut is this?

Oh my God.

[LeftishBrit]

39. I gather this is someone who thinks that any sort of universal health provision is 'communist'?

Wow. Tell this to the present and former leaders of most Europaean countries - few of whom were communist, and many of whom were Conservative.

Even Maggie Thatcher knew she couldn't get away with abolishing the NHS altogether.

[ProudDad]

41. Or that Arch-Communist Sarkozy in France

or that radical Stephen Harper in Canada, or those left-wing radicals in Singapore, or Italy (damn that Red Berlusconi!)...

Yeah, there's a lot I could say but he's put me on ignore!!!!

[Perry Logan]

40. They're so cute when they try to be sarcastic.

[caligirl]

43. If you could get this guy to see SICKO and send in his ticket stub to MM, MM

might go to his house and do his laundry. New contest MM is doing this week.

[caligirl]

44. Wimmer's brother has cancer and no health insurance.

State leaders pass on Moore's 'Sicko' prescription for health care system
By Kirsten Stewart and Lisa Rosetta
The Salt Lake Tribune
Article Last Updated: 07/19/2007 04:39:32 PM MDT
Physician and attorney Clark Newhall holds leftover... (Danny Chan La/The Salt Lake Tribune )



Correction: Orem Republican Rep. Bradley Daw compared filmmaker Michael Moore to Joseph Goebbels. The quote was incorrectly attributed to a different lawmaker in Wednesday's Tribune.
Utah Rep. Carl Wimmer skipped Tuesday's free screening of "Sicko," Michael Moore's documentary on the failings of America's health care system.
The Herriman Republican had spent his day drumming up donations for his younger brother, who has no health coverage to pay for expensive cancer treatments.
Though personally touched by the plight of the nation's uninsured and underinsured, Wimmer has "no interest" in the movie, which he doubts will drive reform.
"Michael Moore's movies are full of lies and half-truths and I don't see how this will be any different," said Wimmer. "Until we have a firm grasp on the problem, I don't think anyone will be able to solve it."
The free screening was arranged by physician and attorney Clark Newhall, who had invited more than 100 state leaders. The no-shows included Gov. Jon Huntsman Jr., dozens of state lawmakers, the president of the Utah Medical Association, and the CEOs of Intermountain Health Care and Regence BlueCross BlueShield of Utah.
Among the handful who did attend: state insurance commissioner Kent Michie and two lawmakers, Democratic Reps. David Litvack of Salt Lake City and Larry Wiley of West Valley City.