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Don1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 09:06 PM
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Good Points About President Bush's July 17th Executive Order
Here are the good points for fascism resulting from Bush's July 17th Executive Order:

(1) Gives authority to the Sec of Treasury to make judgments about people’s actions or suspected actions as opposed to the courts.
(2) You get in trouble not just if you commit an act, but if you "pose a risk" for committing an act. See, this is once removed from actually doing something. Now, note it is once removed again because it is if they think you pose a risk.
(3) The offense of "supporting" such actions is extremely vague and could even include legal or editorial support which would make the order unconstitutional. The vagueness itself is also unconstitutional and in fact, this is exactly why section 805 of the USA PATRIOT Act eventually was ruled unconstitutional by the courts. So, essentially, the same law that was ruled unconstitutional has now been made into an Executive Order. If at first you don’t succeed, …
(4) There is an offense for having supported anyone who eventually gets into trouble due to this Executive Order. So not only is the support vague once again, but also you may not have even known this person was "guilty."
(5) There is an offense for having "purported to act on behalf of" someone "indirectly." Yes, basically if rumor has it that you helped so-and-so in some mysterious way, well, you are guilty. This is twice removed in the wrong direction from the whole unconstitutional vagueness problem.
(6) Gives authority to the Sec of Treasury to re-delegate his hybrid judicial-executive authority to underlings, i.e. Treasury department agents. You get a special bonus prize if you can tell me what the special Treasury department agents are called.


Below is the executive order in full. Each bullet point above is highlighted for clarity.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2007/07/20070717-3.html

Executive Order: Blocking Property of Certain Persons Who Threaten Stabilization Efforts in Iraq

By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, including the International Emergency Economic Powers Act, as amended (50 U.S.C. 1701 et seq.)(IEEPA), the National Emergencies Act (50 U.S.C. 1601 et seq.)(NEA), and section 301 of title 3, United States Code,

I, GEORGE W. BUSH, President of the United States of America, find that, due to the unusual and extraordinary threat to the national security and foreign policy of the United States posed by acts of violence threatening the peace and stability of Iraq and undermining efforts to promote economic reconstruction and political reform in Iraq and to provide humanitarian assistance to the Iraqi people, it is in the interests of the United States to take additional steps with respect to the national emergency declared in Executive Order 13303 of May 22, 2003, and expanded in Executive Order 13315 of August 28, 2003, and relied upon for additional steps taken in Executive Order 13350 of July 29, 2004, and Executive Order 13364 of November 29, 2004. I hereby order:

Section 1.

(a) Except to the extent provided in section 203(b)(1), (3), and (4) of IEEPA (50 U.S.C. 1702(b)(1), (3), and (4)), or in regulations, orders, directives, or licenses that may be issued pursuant to this order, and notwithstanding any contract entered into or any license or permit granted prior to the date of this order, all property and interests in property of the following persons, that are in the United States, that hereafter come within the United States, or that are or hereafter come within the possession or control of United States persons, are blocked and may not be transferred, paid, exported, withdrawn, or otherwise dealt in: any person determined by the Secretary of the Treasury, in consultation with the Secretary of State and the Secretary of Defense, (this is bullet point#1)

(i) to have committed, or to pose a significant risk (this is bullet point#2) of committing, an act or acts of violence that have the purpose or effect of:

(A) threatening the peace or stability of Iraq or the Government of Iraq; or

(B) undermining efforts to promote economic reconstruction and political reform in Iraq or to provide humanitarian assistance to the Iraqi people;

(ii) to have materially assisted, sponsored, or provided financial, material, logistical, or technical support for, or goods or services in support of, (this is bullet point#3) such an act or acts of violence or any person whose property and interests in property are blocked pursuant to this order; (this is bullet point#4)

(iii) to be owned or controlled by, or to have acted or purported to act for or on behalf of, directly or indirectly, (this is bullet point#5) any person whose property and interests in property are blocked pursuant to this order.

(b) The prohibitions in subsection (a) of this section include, but are not limited to, (i) the making of any contribution or provision of funds, goods, or services by, to, or for the benefit of any person whose property and interests in property are blocked pursuant to this order, and (ii) the receipt of any contribution or provision of funds, goods, or services from any such person.

Sec. 2.

(a) Any transaction by a United States person or within the United States that evades or avoids, has the purpose of evading or avoiding, or attempts to violate any of the prohibitions set forth in this order is prohibited.

(b) Any conspiracy formed to violate any of the prohibitions set forth in this order is prohibited.

Sec. 3.

For purposes of this order:

(a) the term "person" means an individual or entity;

(b) the term "entity" means a partnership, association, trust, joint venture, corporation, group, subgroup, or other organization; and

(c) the term "United States person" means any United States citizen, permanent resident alien, entity organized under the laws of the United States or any jurisdiction within the United States (including foreign branches), or any person in the United States.

Sec. 4.

I hereby determine that the making of donations of the type specified in section 203(b)(2) of IEEPA (50 U.S.C. 1702(b)(2)) by, to, or for the benefit of, any person whose property and interests in property are blocked pursuant to this order would seriously impair my ability to deal with the national emergency declared in Executive Order 13303 and expanded in Executive Order 13315, and I hereby prohibit such donations as provided by section 1 of this order.

Sec. 5.

For those persons whose property and interests in property are blocked pursuant to this order who might have a constitutional presence in the United States, I find that, because of the ability to transfer funds or other assets instantaneously, prior notice to such persons of measures to be taken pursuant to this order would render these measures ineffectual. I therefore determine that for these measures to be effective in addressing the national emergency declared in Executive Order 13303 and expanded in Executive Order 13315, there need be no prior notice of a listing or determination made pursuant to section 1(a) of this order.

Sec. 6.

The Secretary of the Treasury, in consultation with the Secretary of State and the Secretary of Defense, is hereby authorized to take such actions, including the promulgation of rules and regulations, and to employ all powers granted to the President by IEEPA as may be necessary to carry out the purposes of this order. The Secretary of the Treasury may redelegate any of these functions to other officers (this is bullet point#6) and agencies of the United States Government, consistent with applicable law. All agencies of the United States Government are hereby directed to take all appropriate measures within their authority to carry out the provisions of this order and, where appropriate, to advise the Secretary of the Treasury in a timely manner of the measures taken.

Sec. 7.

Nothing in this order is intended to affect the continued effectiveness of any rules, regulations, orders, licenses, or other forms of administrative action issued, taken, or continued in effect heretofore or hereafter under 31 C.F.R. chapter V, except as expressly terminated, modified, or suspended by or pursuant to this order.

Sec. 8.

This order is not intended to, and does not, create any right, benefit, or privilege, substantive or procedural, enforceable at law or in equity by any party against the United States, its departments, agencies, instrumentalities, or entities, its officers or employees, or any other person.

GEORGE W. BUSH

THE WHITE HOUSE
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sarcasmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 09:09 PM
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1. Everyone here on D/U pose a risk.
See you all in the Camps.
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Don1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 09:13 PM
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2. Exactly.
The executive order can be interpreted very widely to cover all of us, if someone so desires.

The Washington Post agrees that this interpretation is valid:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/07/22/AR2007072201141.html

The news media generally, though, is fairly quiet about the whole thing.
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sarcasmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 09:17 PM
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3. When the next Terra strike comes watch how fast these Executive Orders take place.
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Don1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 09:31 PM
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4. I agree.
I don't support the notion that Bush would do such a thing as create a terrorist event, but surprisingly some people from the right-wing are saying so. Examples: Ron Paul, Pat Buchanan and Paul Craig Roberts.

So, let's say hypothetically that al Qaeda attacks again on American soil. Then, yes, I could see 'political dissidents' getting lands expropriated.

Certainly sounds familiar, doesn't it?

First they came for suspected terrorists without warrants and I was not one of them so I did not speak out;
Then they came for immigrants whose visas were expired, sending suspects off to secret prisons and I was not one of them so I did not speak out;
Then they removed habeas corpus but I did not care so I did not speak out;
Then they seized property of US citizens who the Executive Branch suspected of being Iraq peace activists and I was not one of them so I did not speak out;
Then they came for me -- and there was no one left to speak for me.
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motocicleta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 09:49 PM
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5. Not so sure the Founding Fathers would like this order.
Just a guess.

K n R
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Don1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 10:53 PM
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10. You're right.
They wouldn't and they would recognize the danger of another King George.



No doubt as a result, they would also propose articles of impeachment, challenge the whole executive order in the courts, and/or propose legislation immediately to deal with it.
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 10:07 PM
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6. Remove the executive branch altogether
we don't need it
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Don1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 10:50 PM
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9. Interesting idea.
We should at least be able to get the powers of the President split up among several.
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 10:03 PM
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20. what exactly is the President for?
look at all the money we would save.

Make Pelosi Prime Minister
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JohnnyLib2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 10:07 PM
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7. Chilling analysis of a chilling document.

The most painful lessons of history seem to be those most ignored.
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Don1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 10:45 PM
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8. Yes and don't forget
collective amnesia and a complicit media. :(
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adamuu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 11:45 PM
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11. K&R n/t
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Don1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 11:57 PM
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12. Thanks. n/t
Edited on Mon Jul-23-07 11:58 PM by Don1
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pnorman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 01:56 AM
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13. Thanbks. I've been trying to "analyzed" that EO, for part of the evening.
This thread will help immensely.

pnorman
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Don1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 06:49 AM
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14. You're welcome. n/t
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Don1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 04:15 PM
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15. No one wants to go for the prize
for naming what special Treasury dept agents are called? The prize is me telling you how awesome you are. :)
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laugle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 05:28 PM
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16. I have another very thorough LINK on this very dangerous executive order,
I urge everyone to read it and pass the word to your reps!!

The link is:

www.globalresearch.ca
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laugle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 06:21 PM
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17. Kick and read!!!!
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Don1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 08:13 PM
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18. Thanks. n/t
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laugle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 09:06 PM
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19. Hi Don1! This subject is sooo important. Have you checked out
Edited on Tue Jul-24-07 09:07 PM by laugle
my link posted earlier? Did it give you anymore info that you weren't aware of?

I think your title was not sufficient to get people's attention.

Maybe if it said "Bush's executive order to confiscate property of anti-war movement participant's," it might have struck a nerve!

Well.....thanks for posting it!

WAKE-UP PEOPLE BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE!!!

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