Could the reason "I is off the table" be

[southerncrone]

that BushCO has blackmailed the Congress w/another "disaster"? Given the REX 84 & massive new detention centers, are Dem's trying to "save" us from that fate? :shrug:

I'm just extremely puzzled by WHY Dems aren't acting on the American citizens' wishes.
1. End war
2. Impeach

At least act on ONE of them.
Congress' lack of action makes no sense. There must be something WE don't know. :dunce:

????

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

1. This is such a bizarre post, I had to respond.

A very stream of consciousness approach.

Especially the smilies. MKJ

:-)

[southerncrone]

3. I know that much seems bizarre these days, but

why do you consider this a bizarre post, exactly?

My thinking these days on why Dems are not reacting to the 2006 election expectations has run in circles admittedly.

[mzteris]

2. or could it be -

all of Washington has been invaded by (gasp!) ALIENS?!?!?

Or maybe - they don't have the votes.

Or maybe - they're waiting til he's out of office to prosecute the SOB for war crimes. (Oh - the poor baby's already been impeached - we shouldn't do anything else...)

Or maybe - if he and satan - er - cheney are impeached - then whoever gets put in gets a passs - becomes the incumbent and gets the advantage in the election - and

NOTHING CHANGES??

OMG - ya think?

Or do you?

[southerncrone]

8. Thank you for your ideas, this is what I was looking for

however, you could leave the smartass tone at home. THAT sounds like a Rethug comment.

I am extremely perplexed by the lack of action on Dems part, & admit I am not the political strategist that many here seem to be, that is why I posted.... asking for others views.

[mzteris]

10. sorry -

I'm on a roll tonight.

Got several bits of bad news about people I care about here on DU and that soured me for the rest of the place.

Read the hysterical maunderings of the un/ill-informed. The one-trick pony worshippers. The one-note samba players (and I do mean ONE NOTE - and NOT much rhythm if truth be known.)

I'm in sniper/bushwhack mode.


Sorry. I thought I was going off on one of the regular whackadoodles. :P Didn't realize you were a noob.

Er - welcome to DU ?

:hi:

[southerncrone]

14. Er....thanks, I think.

I try not to be a "whackadoodle". :silly:
Guess I'm just exhausted living in this seemingly perpetual limbo under the gestapo rule.
I know I'm not the only impatient Dem out here, but Damn! Something needs to give!

My puzzlement over Conyers actions today, Feingold's censure instead of impeachment, & other BS coming out of DC tends to have me lose hope for the moment. Maybe I need to learn more patience. :eyes:

[Greyhound]

11. If satan and bush the lesser are convicted and removed, Pelosi is the President.

If they are allowed to do nothing and they finish their terms, the odds of their being prosecuted are zero.

Nobody knows if we have the votes or not. The public spectacle of a trial in the Senate, which cannot be ignored by the corporate media and removes all cover of "executive privilege", will force any Senator that wants to be re-elected, " in view of the facts presented, to reconsider their position".

I think the alien invasion thing is unlikely.

[mzteris]

13. I dunno -

dennis as always looked a little weird to me. :P

And yeah, I think they're pretty damn sure they don't have the votes.

[Dr.Phool]

18. I think it's time for a weird looking president.

[mzteris]

27. too late (warning: offensive content)

[Greyhound]

26. There's an old saying that is appropriate here, "That's why we play the game".

Neither you, nor I, nor they, know it will play out, but to give up without trying is a tacit acceptance of their criminality and the final gasp of America, the nation of laws.

It stuns me that there are so many of you that accept this with no more concern than if somebody got a blowjob.

[mzteris]

29. I'm sorry - between last night and this

- I've forgotten what the heck we were going on about, so I have no idea what you're talking about!

[AndyTiedye]

4. Seems Pretty Obvious By Now

[zeemike]

5. There is something that we don't know

And that is just where power lies in this country. I think once you get Washington as a politician they make it clear to you. And then the choice is clear; if you want to get along then you go along.
Not that all of them do but the ones that don't are locked out of power and are marginalized to the point of being ineffective.

[Phredicles]

6. A caller to Randi Rhodes the other day offered the theory that the

Democrats (or at least enough of them) are holding off on impeachment because they want to get their hands on all that unitary executive power. This would make for a really dirty election next year, no question.

[windbreeze]

31. That was the first suggestion I heard.....that really made any sense...

other than understanding that we probably DON'T have the votes to get impeachment passed...let's face it...we need a 2/3 majority...don't we?? so right now in the House it is 233-202 seats...in the Senate, it is 49-49 seats w/2 Independents.....now considering one Independent is Lieberman...where does that put us..??? what is 2/3??? 66.6 percent??? or 67 votes to get past the Senate, IF it gets out of the House...I'd say we have a ways to go to pass anything..you can only do so much when your hands are tied behind your back...we may have a majority...but it sure as hell is NOT a 2/3 majority...maybe we should be focusing on getting a bigger majority in the House and Senate next time around, instead of waging a presidential election for 4 years...our time could possibly be better spent???

People say try...sure...try..waste time...to try to impeach them, and most likely NOT succeed...which probably gives them the sympathy vote to boot...I can't reason what is going on...but I can see that it IS possible that the votes for impeachment aren't there...maybe our Congress feels their own party will ditch them, or force them out, in order to cut their losses...anything that gets rid of them is fine with me...
windbreeze

[Phredicles]

32. Right, we probably don't have the votes to get impeachment passed - PATHETIC,

considering we're the alleged majority/opposition party. But it's still crawling with stealth 26%-ers. Gawd, we suck (as a party, as a country).

[MadMaddie]

7. Maybe Nancy is waiting for someone in the Democratic party to take the

lead....with the Rethuglican spin machine....if she were to lead an Impeachment process....and to go after * and Cheney....she would be next in line....

the spin would be that she set herself up for the Presidency....

[southerncrone]

9. Yes, I understand her precarious position under the circumstances.

[rocktivity]

12. Either they're being threatened by SOMETHING, or they're in on it.

Neither their whining about not having enough votes nor their insisting that there are more important things to accomplish ring true. They're not that stupid, they're not that naive, so they're either that complicit or that intimidated.

:headbang:
rocknation

[ShortnFiery]

17. How 'bout we REPLACE the ones who don't support us regardless of seniority?

Vote Out Incumbents Democracy: http://voidnow.org

It will take over a decade, but let's vote these worthless bums out of office? A few senior congress members and senators catch wind that their re-elections are not guaranteed, just perhaps these gutless wonders will pay attention and start serving their constituents before the large corporations which often are contained within The Military Industrial Complex.

No matter the seniority - Vote these bums OUT OF OFFICE!

I'll do the best that I can in my little part of America. :hi:

[southerncrone]

23. Our only OTHER option.

[southerncrone]

19. Rock, you mirror my thinking.

This is what I've been feeling (& fearing), but was hoping other DUer's could offer me some alternative explanation that made some REAL sense.

Guess greyhound1966 could be right about wanting to REALLY grab the ring in 2008, but this is a slippery slope they navigate until then. Will voters turn away in disgust then because of their inaction now? Guess they're gamblers, but I don't like the odds. Never was a big RISK TAKER!

[Mme. Defarge]

15. I have had the same dark thought because

the Dems are not known for responding in such lockstep fashion. Very disturbing, in my view.

[Jim Sagle]

16. I think you're onto something.

I think ugly and massive collective threats have been made by the regime - threats of torture and death to Democratic leaders and their families, or threats of the same to the nation at large.

Sometimes tinfoil is the right attire. :tinfoilhat:

[southerncrone]

20. One nation under tinfoil, divisible w/libery & justice for Repukes only!

Is my hat too tight? :P

[onenote]

33. shouldn't that be "I think you're on something"

Step away from the bong. THe reason impeachment isn't happening now is that there aren't enough votes for it. There are several dozen blue dog Democrats whose votes would be needed to support the resolution that has to pass before Judiciary hearings start and its a virtual certainty that most of those blue dogs come from districts that aren't that enthusiastic about impeachment. If you study the voting patterns of the blue dogs, you'll find that they generally shy away from disputes that break along purely partisan lines. If some repubs jump ship on chimpy, maybe they'll change their tune, but for now you don't need tinfoil, just common sense, to understand why impeachment isn't "on the table."

[Jim Sagle]

35. Thank you for your cynical and defeatist coincidence theory rubbish.

[onenote]

36. thank you for your utter lack of any analysis at all

Just keep humming "When you wish upon a star..." That'll make a difference.

[Jim Sagle]

37. Nuthin' there to analyze, genius.

[onenote]

38. You are truly a political wizard. I bow down to you

:sarcasm:

By the way, laws aren't passed by snapping your fingers, but you knew that I suppose.

[dragonlady]

21. Sometimes I wonder

Maybe they have a plan that needs to be kept secret for a while longer. Maybe some new information is coming that will turn the whole country toward the necessity of impeaching both of them. That would have to be a real blockbuster, because a double impeachment that installed the opposite party in the presidency would need overwhelming support from the populace. This might explain why congresspeople who are normally responsive don't answer their mail on this subject. They need to let the information unfold until the result becomes inevitable.

[southerncrone]

22. I've wondered that, too.

But my wondering & patience are running out of steam. This mystery is too draining. If only so much were not at stake.....

[AndyTiedye]

24. It's True, I Don't Even Get A Form Letter Back From My Frequent Pro-Impeachment Missives

[MissMarple]

25. As my son said when he was two and in BIG trouble..."Fine! Go on ahead."

In other words "Bring it on....." and, what he didn't add, and I will for us at DU... we will kick your sorry butt. A bit more of that fearlessness in the face of what appears to be over whelming power would serve us all quite well.

And for the record, the boy child retains that fearlessness. Cool kid.

[southerncrone]

28. Is he old enough to run for Congress?

;)

[windbreeze]

30. uhhh...what is it we don't understand here???

could it be that we don't have enough votes to do either...or should I say, enough of a majority???....I don't understand why we can't get that through our heads..
windbreeze

[Bake]

34. If the votes trickle in it will go back on the table in a hurry.

Screw all the "off the table," "on the table," "set the table" crap. If the situation changes and the votes are there, it will happen.

I'd bet on it.

Bake