Hillary really pissed me off with her not giving Obama any compliments

[BluegrassDem]

I would've supported her in the general election if she became the nominee, but after tonight, I will NOT vote her! She's a classless, self-serving, cold person. She really angered me when she blew off that question about complimenting the person to the left. Barack Obama has been a breath of fresh air in the Senate and the Democratic Party. He has brought so many new people to the democratic process and really has excited millions of people. He's also a good family man and has spent his life trying to better his community instead of fattening his own wallet. I don't think it would've killed her to show a little humility and paid him a couple of compliments. Barack Obama has been very complimentary of Hillary, especially during his appearance on David Letterman a few months back. She's a very cold and calculating individual, and I just can't bring myself to ever vote for her. She needs to stay in the Senate.

[thatsrightimirish]

1. Hey, it's your country

If you want to make a decision that will determine not only your future, but the future of everyone on DU for such a silly reason, be my guest. But I look forward to having social security and I think we should combat Global Warming. So I'll vote Democrat

[MonkeyFunk]

2. now there's some fine political analysis!

I haven't seen that kind of thinking in many years. Probably not since I was 4.

[Lautremont]

3. Uh, but he's her opponent,

whom she's running against. Why would she compliment him? That's like digging your own grave.

[babylonsister]

4. Did we watch the same thing? Classless? I don't think so, and I still haven't

made up my mind. You protest too much imo. Plant! Plant! Alert the mods! :D

[bling bling]

5. You would have supported her except for THAT?

Oh dear. And I thought I was sensitive.

Anyway, she did compliment him.

[rodeodance]

11. Thanks (i only was able to catch the last few minutes).

[napi21]

6. Do you even remember what she said? I bet NOT! n/t

[Ethelk2044]

29. She did not say anything. A person should be able to say something

good about an opponent. She did not and it made sure she will never get my vote. I expect politicians to be able to Civil to one another. We do not need another BUSH (acting like a spoil child)

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[quinnox]

7. this is the first post of this type

I've seen this year. This was a very popular post in the 2004 primaries but it would be titled much more dramatically. "Candidate X Just Lost My Vote!!" . I think we will see more of these posts as time goes by. They would usually draw a lot of replies too.

[Sherman A1]

20. Agreed and Well Said.

I also believe that after the debate, canddate "X" just lost my vote. I will not support candidate "X" because of what they did not say. I actually thought the question was a dumb one, in the area of a wrap up, cutesy, let's all join hands and sing together sort of thing. It was there to provide a nice exit from anything that had gotten a bit rough during the evening. I didn't see it as a serious question in any sense of the word.

:toast:

[yardwork]

54. I've seen several here since last night's debate. The same wording.

The meme is that Hillary was rude to Obama. It's being repeated. It's a lie.

[countmyvote4real]

8. Are you serious about your discord?

I am not a Hillary fan, but I can't even let you get away with that imagined happenstance.

[rufus dog]

9. I watched the debate

Although was getting bored, and I truly don't remember her response. I think it was something to do with all the people on the stage, blah, blah, blah. Anyway I didn't take any offense to it.

What exactly did she say?

Note: I am an Obama supporter, Edwards moved up in my book tonight, HRC would be number 5 or 6 in my book, so I sure wouldn't say I am looking at HRC through rose colored glasses.

[w13rd0]

10. Ok...

...I'm not a Clinton supporter, but of all the candidates on stage, she has been an excellent frontrunner. She always strikes a note of democratic unity, and typically makes a point of staying fairly positive, at least in her public remarks. That she wasn't willing to pay a direct compliment is largely due to the fact that as the perceived frontrunner, she doesn't want to lend any name-recognition by transfer to any other candidate since so much of her support is based on the name Clinton, or provide a sound bite with her publicly and directly referencing one of the other candidates.

[TheDonkey]

14. that's kind of pathetic

if she didn't want to compliment him just because she was afraid to give him "name-recognition" which Obama already has plenty. It would not have made his campaign or tanked hers to say something nice (even if it was, oh he dresses well). The Edwards' diss of her "coat" was interesting as well. I think that question was able to give a lot of info about the candidates.

[MonkeyFunk]

16. all this angst

and nobody posts what she said:

"You know, I think that Chris Dodd has it absolutely right. I mean, I admire and like very much Barack, as I do with all of the candidates here. And I think that what you've seen tonight is how ready the Democrats are to lead."


One has to really go out of ones way to find a snub in that quote.

[Forrest Greene]

69. The Snub Resides In the Nuance

That is, she cited Chris Dodd's opinion, not her own. A carefully-worded reflex avoidance of responsibility. Things like that are why people who dislike Ms Clinton feel that way.

[Scout]

73. do you comprehend what you read?

"I admire and like very much Barack, as I do with all of the candidates here"

[Forrest Greene]

78. No, The Way She Worded Her Comment

...she was agreeing with Chris Dodd (currently the last-runner?), not complimenting Obama (curently her chief rival.) There's a difference that is clear when her quote is not truncated for, shall we say incomplete, effect.

Also, the remark was extended to all the candidates. A gracious gesture, to be sure, but one which further serves to carefully undercut her chief rival, & which is not responsive to the question she had actually been asked. She's really quite transparent, a big liablility for a politician.

Do you have anything more substantive than a belligerent rhetorical question & a redundant quote to say to me?

[MonkeyFunk]

83. because she agreed with Dodd

it's an avoidance of responsibility.

Hillaryphobia's a helluva drug.

[IndianaGreen]

12. Hillary: "I've met with leaders in Arabic countries." Duh? Arabic is a language!

She should have said "Arab countries."

[TheDonkey]

13. It was kinda obvious and was not cool of her

All the candidates were having fun and it really shows a lot when someone can be kind to a "friendly" enemy. She desperately didn't want to give Obama any points and that's petty. I also think Biden was a little too sarcastic and crude to Kucinich even though I like Biden it just did fit but overall I think the question was nice and I like seeing democratic unity!

[MonkeyFunk]

15. Huh

here's what she said:

"You know, I think that Chris Dodd has it absolutely right. I mean, I admire and like very much Barack, as I do with all of the candidates here. And I think that what you've seen tonight is how ready the Democrats are to lead."


She said she likes and admires Barack, but people here are taking that as a snub?

[emilyg]

17. You wouldn't have supported her.

[aquart]

18. Yes, a fascist Supreme Court is a much better option.

The primaries will determine the choice of the majority of Democrats.

Vote for whomever you please in the primary. If you choose to behave like a spoiled, petulant brat afterwards, no one can stop you.

Democrats will vote for the chosen Democratic candidate. I'm sure what you call yourself will be far purer and nobler. But we will be Democrats.

[johan helge]

19. This is typical of many voters on the left

They find something they think is wrong with the Democratic candidate, and don't vote for him/(her!). If not for this attitude, Gore would have become President in 2000.

[yardwork]

55. Thank you for your concern for voters on the left.

Gore was elected president in 2000 and would have taken office if the election hadn't been stolen from him by Republicans.

[Forrest Greene]

71. Thank You

For correcting that.

[rufus dog]

21. after reading the transcript

Here is Obama's response

OBAMA: I actually like Hillary's jacket. I don't know what's wrong with it. And I like the fact that Bill Richardson has devoted his life to public service, because that, I think, is the highest of callings.

Here is Hillary's along with Cooper's

You know, I think that Chris Dodd has it absolutely right. I mean, I admire and like very much Barrack, as I do with all of the candidates here. And I think that what you've seen tonight is how ready the Democrats are to lead.

CLINTON: We are ready to lead the change that America so desperately needs.

COOPER: All right. I'll take that as you're not going to answer.

Upon reflection on this question is was a very good question. This from a guy who thinks a bit too much like Biden and thought it was a lame ass question at first.

It illustrates how people think under stress. For example Biden could have easily responded that Kucinich shows strong passion to follow up on his beliefs rather than saying his wife is the best. (Can be interpreted "Joe you candy assed lib pull your head out but your wife is hot)

Obama responded defending Hillary and then came up with a positive about Richardson that said his service is the "highest of callings."

Hillary could come up with nothing either through calculation or inability to think on her feet. Neither one improves her persona. She needs work on it.

[MonkeyFunk]

23. "I like and admire very much Barack"

That bitch!

[Colobo]

27. One good thing about him? Did she say?

[avrdream]

22. Quoting you is enough:

"I just can't bring myself to ever vote for her."

Nothing she said in these debates was ever going to change your mind. Instead of leaving it at that, though, you had to get personal about it, calling her classless, self-serving, and cold.

Thanks for the regurgitation.

[wyldwolf]

24. Transcript says otherwise

Clinton's response was essentially the same as Dodd's, Edward's and Obama's:

Dodd: I like John Edwards. I love his wife Elizabeth and his family, and I think we've had enough of negative in politics. I have nothing negative to say about the gentleman.

Edwards: I admire what Senator Clinton has done for America, what her husband did for America.

Clinton: You know, I think that Chris Dodd has it absolutely right. I mean, I admire and like very much Barack, as I do with all of the candidates here. And I think that what you've seen tonight is how ready the Democrats are to lead.

Obama: I like the fact that Bill Richardson has devoted his life to public service, because that, I think, is the highest of callings.

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No, make the claim forever that Clinton was as complimentary if you want, but you're just looking for any perceived gaffe by Clinton to seize on.

[salin]

25. thanks for the recap of the statements

sounds complimentary all around.

[durrrty libby]

26. Good grief what a silly reason not to support someone

And some don't understand why this place is is accused of being filled with kooks.

[Connie_Corleone]

28. It's amazing how some people will find any little excuse to not vote for someone.

[Evergreen Emerald]

30. Both Edwards and Obama commented on her clothing--attempting to reduce her

It was sexist and demeaning and I could not believe in this era they were discussing how the only female on the panel looked. And you are complaining because she did not say anything nice enough?

Good God. The question sucked. It was like focusing on hair rather than issues. Who cares whether or not they can say something nice about their opponents? I agreed with Biden--who by the way did not answer the question either--and yet no one on this board is complaining about Biden.

And for the record: she said she likes Obama and all of the candidates--but this election is about...

I think every woman in America should be outraged that Edwards and Obama attempted to reduce Clinton by focusing on her looks.

[wyldwolf]

37. very good point

[Adelante]

39. Actually Obama drew the negative away from her, I thought

In following up on Edwards' jab, which was sexist, even as a joke, I didn't think Obama was being sexist, but gentlemanly. I didn't take it the way you did, anyway. She looked great in the jacket, by the way, and it was a smart choice on her part. She stood out from the dark suits. She wasn't afraid to wear pink. It was a fuck you to the Edwards and I thought it worked beautifully. But you are right, this isn't what the elections should be about.

[Mark Twain Girl]

41. Yeah, actually, that's what I noticed too -- commenting on her clothes, great.

It won't inspire a cry of "so and so lost my voooooote!" -- but only because I expected that kind of silliness.

[Adelante]

31. I'm always amazed at what people pick up to bitch about

She said she liked the guy, which makes her "a classless, self-serving, cold person." Christ almighty, this is lame. :eyes:

[William769]

33. And whats even worse the person is wrong.

The brainwashing of some people is well...

[durrrty libby]

44. BO sniffers must have got into some crazy glue, because

the brain cells are gone :hurts: :hangover: :dunce:

[Sparkly]

35. She also refused to say anything negative about him.

I think her answer was fine. She did say she likes and admires him, and then sort of broadened it into a statement of support for Democrats overall. They are, in fact, competitors. And I cut them all quite a bit of slack when it comes to answering these kinds of "novelty" or "personal" or "let's have a little fun now" questions.

[illinoisprogressive]

36. this shows the kind of person she is. utterly lacking in dignity or class

[Evergreen Emerald]

38. oh brother

:eyes:

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

40. Self delete

I won't reference the "spamming" incident again, we know who was there.

MKJ

[durrrty libby]

43. ""I admire and like very much Barrack" Do tell how that

statement lacks dignity or class?

[tblue37]

50. It doesn't lack dignity or class--but it does grammar lack, said Yoda.

But even though I am an English teacher and a fairly well-known online grammar guru, I certainly would not refuse to vote for someone just because her sentence structure bothered me! It is amazing that people will come up with such lame excuses for trashing and refusing to vote for any of our candidates.

[William769]

51. Hey "grammar guru", reread your post!

Sorry couldn't resist. :evilgrin:

[tblue37]

58. HAHAHAHA!

I don't know how to touch type, so my typing is so bad it counts as an official handicap. I also spilled soda on my keyboard a few days ago and sometimes the keys I hit don't actually work when I think they have, so I end up with dropped letters. On top of all that, my aging eyes aren't that good at proofreading words on a monitor. But I am a grammar guru, not an Internet proofreading guru. Though I do make big noise about careful proofing, I also often say that I count on my sharp-eyed readers to help me clean up typos on the Net.

Visit "Correcting Mechanical Errors in Your Writing"
http://grammartips.homestead.com/errors.html

There you will find this passage:

All writers make errors when they write or type. Not some writers, all writers. Some don't know they are committing an error, so they can't fix it. Some know the correct usage, but carelessly let an error slip by in the heat of composition. Some are just lousy typists. (That would be me.)

It isn't always easy to spot typos or careless errors on the computer screen. For this reason, I strongly recommend that you print out your article so that you can proofread it on paper. You are likely to catch many more errors that way than if you do all your proofing on the computer.

I know this from experience. The computers I use to post my internet articles are not connected to working printers. Consequently, typos and other errors that would never get past me on paper go unnoticed until I get a heads-up from an alert reader.

So, yeah, I do commit errors when I post on message boards, but I really am a grammar guru, too. Visit my grammar and usage site. You might like it:
http://grammartips.homestead.com/index.html

[William769]

60. Thank you for the link.

I for one will take all the help I can get. Due to medications, my grammar comes out :crazy: sometimes.

[Adelante]

65. Bless you

I've argued this one all my life :)

http://www.grammartips.homestead.com/badly.html

[William769]

47. Are you people dense or what?

Or just lacking education?

[Harry Monroe]

42. Maybe you would have been satisfied if she said that Obama was "clean and articulate"??

[Forkboy]

45. She is cold and calculating.

She reminds me big time of my own sister in looks,attitude,and personality.The only difference is Bill didn't graduate from Bob Jones University like my sister's husband did. :scared:

But,I find it hard to believe that THIS is what pushed you over the edge.Especially since she apparently DID say something nice.

[durrrty libby]

56. "She is cold and calculating" Hey F boy, would you ever describe

a man with those words? And would they be considered an insult, if you did?

The sexism of so-called progressives is flat out disgusting

[Forkboy]

67. Yes,I would.I think Cheney is cold and calculating.Rummy certainly was/

Most of the Republican party would fit the bill.One of my old roommates was cold and calculating.A ton of men are cold and calculating.And they should consider it an insult,because that's exactly how how I meant it.

Why do you think only women are called cold and calculating?

[durrrty libby]

68. "Why do you think only women are called cold and calculating?"

No, but people use it as a sexist insult

Cheney has plenty of admirers who consider cold and calculating high praise.

So your argument does not hold water.

[Forkboy]

70. You've got it backwards.

Yes,SOME people use it as an insult.You were addressing me though,not others,and I clearly explained that I find many,many men cold and calculating as well,thus making your sexist charge moot.Throwing in how demented Cheney admirers MAY use it doesn't in any way change how some other people MAY NOT use it.

So yes,my argument is fine.It's your charge and attempt to portray me a sexist for holding an opinion of a female that I also hold for countless men that holds no water.

If you want to toss around the sexist charge you should damn well be sure who you're actually talking to,don't you think?

[durrrty libby]

74. "you should damn well be sure who you're actually talking to,"

My mistake master. So sorry if I overstep me bounds

:scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared:
:scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared:
:scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared:

[Forkboy]

76. Oh ffs.

Tell you what...instead,don't know who or what you're talking about and keep making a fool of yourself.Is that better? :silly:

Some people's kids.....

[RubyDuby in GA]

46. I could have smacked her for her ultra flippant answering of the min. wage question

She shrugged her shoulders and said "sure" like it was some kind of joke!
Sorry Hill, maybe those women asking the question can't get million dollar speaking engagements out of their husbands.

She is an ass.

[TeamJordan23]

48. Any video link? nm

[tblue37]

49. My choice would be Gore/Clark or Clark/Edwards,

not Hillary. But to those who say that if she is the Dem nominee they won't vote for her because there is no difference between her and the current occupant of the WH or because she didn't compliment Obama, or for whatever other reason they manage to come up with, I have one thing to say, repeatedly:

SUPREME COURT SUPREME COURT SUPREME COURT SUPREME COURT SUPREME COURT SUPREME COURT SUPREME COURT SUPREME COURT SUPREME COURT SUPREME COURT SUPREME COURT SUPREME COURT SUPREME COURT SUPREME COURT SUPREME COURT SUPREME COURT SUPREME COURT SUPREME COURT SUPREME COURT SUPREME COURT SUPREME COURT SUPREME COURT SUPREME COURT SUPREME COURT SUPREME COURT SUPREME COURT SUPREME COURT SUPREME COURT

SUPREME COURT SUPREME COURT SUPREME COURT SUPREME COURT SUPREME COURT SUPREME COURT SUPREME COURT SUPREME COURT SUPREME COURT SUPREME COURT SUPREME COURT SUPREME COURT SUPREME COURT SUPREME COURT SUPREME COURT SUPREME COURT SUPREME COURT SUPREME COURT SUPREME COURT SUPREME COURT SUPREME COURT SUPREME COURT SUPREME COURT SUPREME COURT SUPREME COURT SUPREME COURT SUPREME COURT SUPREME COURT

The next president will name at least 2 SC justices, and they are appointed for life.

That was also true when Nader said there would be no difference between a Republican and a Democratic president in 2000. Now we have Roberts and Alito, both young and healthy, both Federalist Society thugs who will support the unconstitutional theory of the unitary executive.

[yardwork]

52. Thank you for your concern.

[Superman Returns]

53. I wondered this too

After the question, it seemed to me that Clinton was the least complimentary to the candidate on her left. She said she admired Barack, but nothing specific, it was a generic answer that could have been said about any of the candidates. But that is certainly not a reason, to not vote for her at all.

And I'm not sure why Edwards said what he did. It was a bad display of humor and came across sexist and mean.

[mtnsnake]

57. Obama, the guy I thought would run away with all of this, really pissed me off.

Well he didn't really piss me off, but he disappointed me...AGAIN. Where the hell is the fire inside him that he displayed during his famous 2004 DNC speech?? Wow, talk about fizzling out...

[wyldwolf]

62. what's interesting to me is, in regards to the 2004 DNC speech...

... I never thought it was that good. And this was back before I knew who he was. Back before the whole Clinton/Obama rivalry began. I watched the speech. It was OK. I watched it again on Tivo after it got rave reviews and still didn't see what was that special about it. :shrug:

[rinsd]

59. Hillary haters again let their madness drive them to lies (nt)

[TeamJordan23]

61. Is there any doubt about her arrogance or ego? nm

[wyldwolf]

63. I think those in this thread who are continuing the OP's charade are the ones with...

...arrogance and ego issues.

[William769]

64. Yep since it has been pointed out several times that the original OP it totally wrong!

[NatGroene]

66. Obama replies to more debate video questions online

I think it's pretty cool of Obama to continue to reply to debate questions that didn't make it on air last night.

[TankLV]

72. Barack has certainly been "fresh air" all right - just a lot of HOT AIR and no substance...

Hillary was crass for doing what she did, but Obama can go vote for himself - I won't...

Oh - wait - Clinton never did any of what that poster claimed - in fact she COMPLIMENTED Obama...

Damn facts...

Obama can go - away...

[SoxFan]

75. Blah, Blah, Blah

Have you EVER said anything positive about anyone? All you ever do is bitch, piss, moan and carp. Get a life.

[Zenlitened]

77. What part of "I admire and like" Obama didn't register as a compliment?

:shrug:

You know, I think that Chris Dodd has it absolutely right. I mean, I admire and like very much Barack, as I do with all of the candidates here. And I think that what you've seen tonight is how ready the Democrats are to lead.

Link:
http://edition.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/07/23/debate.transcript.part2/

[Nimrod2005]

79. Calm down...Obama cares less!

[AtomicKitten]

80. I think your epiphany is more affirmation of an already-held belief

than any kind of revelation.

[Jersey Devil]

81. And just why should Hillary supply Obama with condiments?

Let him buy his own forken mustard and mayo!

[mistertrickster]

82. Totally agree. She's part of the problem--not part of the solution nt.