Hillarites are on full force, going after Obama with everything...

[Colobo]

Hillary is also going at him with everything... maybe she felt a sting last night and wants to get even?

I say- let's get it on. Hillary, Obama- don't be afraid to spar. Now is the time to see who has the bigger guns.

[MonkeyFunk]

1. What?!?!?

You say politicians running against each other aren't acting all kittens and giggles?!?!

I'm shocked! Shocked!

[Colobo]

2. She did what I didn't expect her to do- go after Obama. I expected him to do it.

He threw jabs at her, but nothing like her response today. I honestly didn't anticipate Hillary's willingness to come back and openly start the war of words.

[MonkeyFunk]

3. congratulations

on your first primary. You'll find it very educational.

[Colobo]

5. I didn't anticipate Hillary's move. Am I guilty of something?

[Ethelk2044]

7. She is feeling the heat.

[MonkeyFunk]

13. not guilty

but perhaps naive.

I just don't understand how anybody who's ever been through an election can act all surprised when candidates go after each other.

Is the attack you're talking about the one where she called obama's comments "naive and irresponsible"? That's pretty small potatoes as far as political attacks go.

[Spearman87]

23. I think it's not only to be expected

It's appropriate. The majority of people barely will sit through a few minutes of these debates right now. Maybe more as the field narrows and the primaries loom closer. But you have to distinguish your self from the other candidates. I'm not even a Hillary fan. But if there are differences between you and an opponent on important issues, you had doggone well better emphasize what they are. Was the language a little harsh? Yes. But that's the only way it will make the news and catch anyone's attention. Like I said, I'm hardly a fan for hers, but I respect her for drawing a line in the sand and helping us distinguish differing positions now, as a result of this exchange. Interestingly, as a result of Hillary throwing down the gauntlet, they are both somewhat locked into their positions. Not totally. But now with Hillary in essense calling him naive or even stupid, it's pretty unlikely OBama would ever backtrack and say that he's seen the light---Hillary was right all along.

[Colobo]

24. I'm 23- I'm still learning the game.

[MaineDem]

4. WTF? "Hillarites?"

Can't we be civil without calling names?

[Colobo]

6. I have been calling Hillary supporters Hillarites for a while, with no bad intentions.

wyldwolf, SaveElmer, and the others know.

[MaineDem]

8. Well, it's all right then.

:eyes:

[Ethelk2044]

9. Hillary Supporters also calls Obama Supporters names as well

[Bullet1987]

11. Clinton didn't like Obama's attack yesterday on the IWR

but she didn't say anything back because she didn't want to get shown up on live television like she would have had she said the same exact thing last night.

[MaineDem]

12. And that's just as bad.

It's way too long a process for people to be calling each other names. We're all Democrats. It's a primary.

I don't have a dog in the fight yet. I just don't care for, what seems to me, derogatory names. Maybe it's just me.

[rinsd]

15. Not all Obama supporters just you and select few others (nt)

[Colobo]

17. Rinsd, do you feel offended with the word "Hillarite"?

I respect your opinion and would stop using it if it offends you.

[rinsd]

21. No, as I said in another post.

Its Hillbots and HillShill and shit like that.

Now Ethel and some other Obama supporters and I have a particular beef so I have called them a particularly unkind name.

Now if that offends you Katz, I will stop.

[Colobo]

22. Nah, rinsd- I understand.

I never felt like the term was directed to me anyway. :)

[rinsd]

25. Cool

Though it looks like your excellent sig pic has gone behind someone's firewall.

[MODemocrat]

78. Oh, but we must remember, Obama has been seen walking on water

Apparently, he cannot, repeat: cannot do anything wrong; at least not that we non-suppoters can mention!!O8) :eyes:

[emilyg]

40. I should hope so

[Colobo]

10. I call myself an Obamaniac. Honestly, Hillary supporters are great people.

William, Tell, Save, rinsd, Elizabeth and the others- most are cool and I would never offend them personally. This is all politics. :)

[rinsd]

18. Hillarites is fine. I hate Hill-Shills, Hill-Bots etc.

We're trying to work on something for Obama as I know Obamatons went over like a lead ballon ;-)

I am starting to lean toward Obamanians.

[nodular]

31. I think you are missing something.

Hillarites is two letters away from "Hitlerites," a very common term to describe supporters of Hitler. It also sounds similar. While it seems to be being used naively here, it was not "cooked up" that way.

[Colobo]

33. Wow- I personally wasn't aware of it. At all.

I don't have what it takes to come up with such a nasty thing.

[nodular]

47. That's what I figured. A word to the wise...

[MaineDem]

34. That was my first though, actually.

And if you look below, someone's already posted the other term. A bit out of line, I feel.

[Colobo]

35. My friends here know my style. I will let them decide if I ever meant such thing.

[laugle]

32. Thanks for that! Well, a few bad apples don't

always spoil the whole bunch!!

[Alexander]

39. The Hillary fans Katz is referring to call Obama supporters far worse names.

They also have some choice insults for Obama himself.

[Capn Sunshine]

53. Yeah! Everyone knows it 's "Hillaritas"

:evilgrin:

[peacetalksforall]

14. Obama spoke the truth. Bush policies.

[ElizabethDC]

16. Just like the Obamabots (the ones who call us Hillarybots or something) are going after Hillary

I think the war is raging on both sides. Not that I have a problem with that, I just don't think it's all been a one-sided effort against Obama, ya know?

[Colobo]

19. Elizabeth, I ask you the same question: Do you find "Hillarite" offensive?

If my friends in the Hillary camp are offended by it, I won't use it anymore. I'm just playing politics- nothing is personal.

[ElizabethDC]

26. No, because I know you use it with love :)

I really don't think you mean any harm by it. Though it doesn't have as pleasant a ring to it as "Obamaniac."

What bothers me is the people who refer to the Hillary supporters as Hillarybots or Hillbots or somesuch - I find it really ironic since, in my mind, many of those who have used that term are some of the worst offenders on the Obama side. Thus, I find their use of "Hillbot" generally hypocritical. That's what bothers me. So I now refer to them as "Obamabots," but it's definitely not blanket term for all Obama supporters! :)

[laugle]

49. I have refrained from calling Obama supporters "Obamabots,"

because I don't want to be a hypocrite. People who call us "Hillarybots" seek to create bad blood, and do not care to have civil discussion with someone who disagrees with them. Fortunately, there are not too many of them, but it is getting very old......

Strategically, it is a very bad idea and can backfire!

[BeyondGeography]

38. Obamaton is better, IMHO

It's the Obamatons vs. the Hillbots.

[illinoisprogressive]

20. you mean Hillarybots. Well, I call them hillarybots.

[TwilightGardener]

27. I noticed that today. Give him all you got, kids, he can take it!

This will test him--I don't mind in the least, as long as what's being spread around is true. Time for the trial by fire to start. Plus, it will sharpen both candidates' "attack modes" for when either of them really need in in 2008.

[Name removed]

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[Exultant Democracy]

29. Well the warm up laps are about to be over, I'm looking forward to the race.

[sandnsea]

30. Had to happen

But now that she's opened it up, she's fair game too.

[Tellurian]

36. Fair Game? Is that some sort of joke!

Just watch Hillary take Obama to school. you might learn something.

The Obama Smackdown! stay tuned...

[IndianaGreen]

37. Hillary trusted Bush in 2002. Now that's some naivete!

Hillary also opposed Kerry's 2006 troop withdrawal resolution, and his Alito filibuster.

That's some experience in appeasing Bush, Hillary!

[Tellurian]

44. Blah, blah, blah, blah... fun facts from the world of IG..

you have no credibility...just addicted to your keyboard.

take a hike!

[laugle]

50. LOL.......you are such a howl!!!

[draft_mario_cuomo]

41. This is an opportunity for HRC to weaken her closest rival

She was not going to let this pass. Of course, the Obama team has hit back hard as well.

[Tellurian]

46. Obama is sinking like a rock...as I predicted he would..

He and his supporters continue to showcase his campaign numbers as cover for his failing campaign. After every debate, the nation realizes he's no JFK, MLK, RFK.. yet they keep trying to cram him down our throats as some kind of messiah..

John Edwards is the threat to Obama not Hillary. Hillary can barely see him in the distance, she so far ahead of him in the polls. As I said in another thread, Edwards is challenging Obama and he doesn't even see it coming.. Hillary is going to swing from the right and Edwards is going to pull the rug right out from under Obama. You wait, their nuanced, doublespeak hero will be spinning like a cuisinart before he tumbles.

[laugle]

51. You are absolutely correct about Edwards being the real

threat! They will be duking it out for the VP slot!

[Tellurian]

52. helllloooo....laugle..

yes, I hope so too. I've always liked JE&EE and I'm sure H&B do too..

good to see you around... and hope you fit more of DU into your schedule..

:toast:

I saw mtnsnake around somewhere but he seems to have disappeared once again..

[laugle]

56. Yeah.....I caught you taking a break too...ha....ha!!

I guess you missed me........well the more things change.......the more they stay the same.....know what I mean!!

Wow.....Hillary is kicking butt! I sure enjoyed the debate last night. It was great to hear from "the people!"

I sure do like Richardson alot, I'm not sure of his age, but he is very impressive....maybe for VP or Secretary of State??

Hillary proved once again, she is a fighter, Obama sure got slapped down!

Power to the People!!!

BTW, you are a little "smartass" aren't you on that schedule bit!! That's not my MO!!

[ShortnFiery]

58. Hello? ..... Hello? ..... Hello? ..... Hello?

Is there an echo in here? :rofl:

[laugle]

60. HUH????

[Tellurian]

72. My new admirer. S&F follows me from thread to thread...

[laugle]

75. Who's that? I checked out that

Hillary site, since I heard it smeared Obama, I didn't think it smeared him, hell, they say a lot worse about HRC!

It's a little bit messy though, I guess it's new.

The fact it focuses on BO is natural, since he is a front runner, and I don't find a problem with that.

BO needs to toughen-up, it's going to get nasty.......

[laugle]

77. I just got it!! a little slow........

[zulchzulu]

63. Wow... how is your planet's weather these days?

"John Edwards is the threat to Obama"...

Really? Is 32 less than 9?

"they keep trying to cram him down our throats"...

You meant "her", I think.

[democratsin08]

42. NO!! NO!!! NO!!!

stop this war now!! i knew this would happen.

[Colobo]

45. Yeah- Let's hand it to Madame Clinton and that's it. Right?

Your "solution" is lame.

[Imagevision]

43. I hope they're planning strategies tonite and get the show on the road, let the better

qualified person win.

[Kingstree]

48. It's a downright shame

that Hillary Clinton, the so-called front runner has the "deer in the headlights" disposition because the Barack Obama train is pressing full steam ahead right past her. I knew from the start that Hillary has never faced stiff competition in her political life and now it shows. True leaders and competitors stay on their game plan and continually step their game up, not resort to old Republican tactics, trashing rivals in the media the next day and dispatch one of your cronies (Madeline Albright) to try to keep this fabricated controversy going. It was noted on a CNN news story today about "Political Body Language" that when Hillary was listening to her opponents talk last night, she nods her head in approval but when Obama speaks, she does not nod, she just stands there staring, waiting like a cockroach in the dark for the lights to come on so she can scurry a negative response or throw a barb.

It is a shame that this so-called seasoned politician (being first lady does not count) has to rely on gutter politics in order to keep her competitors at bay, especially when she flip flopped and gave the same response to a question similar to Obama's last night in 2006. True front runners should not have to stoop to that level but it says a lot about her planned strategic manipulation of the American people and lack of character and integrity. I guess she learned her political savvy from her role model, Bill. Barack Obama is demonstrating his true professionalism, political skill, and genuine concern for america. One of his platform agenda points is about changing the way politics operates in D.C. and Hillary's display is a prime example of that change, using "swift boat" type tactics. Besides, this little dust up created by Hillary will be old news by the end of tomorrow's news cycle. It did not help her in any way shape or form, it only exposed her. Bottom Line: Hillary Clinton is scared.

[Tellurian]

54. Hillary scared?

:rofl:

You waste time writing two paragraphs of manufactured tripe... just to say Hillary is scared. She faced the entire VRW of the Republican Party (without your help mind you) and you need to tell yourself (trying to believe) Hillary is afraid of Obama? :rofl:

[Kingstree]

67. It's just a matter of time.

You know as well as I do that her campaign is steadily losing steam and she is looking over her shoulder, especially after Monday night. The media drives her front runner status and you know that. There is plenty time left in this process for Obama to handily overtake Hillary and that's a fact. It's funny how you Hillary supporters have this religious blind faith in someone who panders to you daily, make false promises and is all D.C. establishment and special interest with no emphasis on the needs of the American people, only her career goals. No different than an Evangelist systematically leading his flock of believers who thinks that he will heal them if you only believe (but don't forget to donate). What a bunch of bullshit! But I guess if the blogger shoes fits...... well, you know what I'm saying and hopefully your prayers will be answered. I'll be happy for you.

[Imagevision]

59. I'm anxious to see it get down to Hillary and Obama, she has serious competition from Obama,

I believe Oprah Winfrey will provide substantial assistance in getting Obama elected. Having a day time show isn't a negative as the months go by.

[laugle]

62. Oh please don't get me started on the "BIG 'O'"!!

She is in for a rude awakening.....she is not as powerful as she thinks! Maybe with books, but not with politics........

She has alot of enemies, and nothing brings them out like her getting involved in politics! She has every right of course, but she is too sensitive a person to be able to handle the dirty business that goes along with the political landscape.

The all and powerful "O" is going to get slapped down big time!!

[ShortnFiery]

66. You and whose Army are going to "slap her down - big time"?

:eyes:

[laugle]

68. I guess you like her, but I think her

time has come and gone........

Would you pay $50,000 to meet Oprah? Frankly, it's laughable......

I used to like her, but her ego is just to out there.......

I don't even blame her, there's just something that happens to people over time when they have power and money.

I'm still waiting for her to run for congress and use her fame for something more than a platform for her own ego, pet projects, and charitable tax deduction's.

Time will tell......who the people are that will rat her out.

I guess the last straw was her stopping her own father from publishing a book he wrote about her. I'm sure he would have let her read it first. She's so damn insecure.

I think she would buy the presidency for Obama if she could!

[draft_mario_cuomo]

65. And Obama has serious competition from a candidate who is closer to him than BO is to HRC...

Ah, the audacity of an 11 point lead in the national polls, an 11 point deficit in Iowa (an unimportant primary state next to Illinois), 14 point lead in NH, 4 point lead in NV, 9 point advantage in SC, 4 point advantage in FL, 7 point gap in CA, and a 4 point lead in NY. How does Obama fare versus HRC? -13 in the national polls, -7 in Iowa, -11 in NH, -20 in Nevada, -15 in SC, -24 in FL, -21 in CA, -31 in NY. The average gap between Obama and Edwards is 4.4% in these early states, plus the two big Super Tuesday prizes. The average difference between Obama and HRC? 18.4%. If Obama is "serious competition" for HRC surely Edwards is "serious competition" for Obama...

Obama supporters love to point out that the front-runner lost in 2004 as they dismiss HRC's commanding early lead. That is true. What many Obama supporters--especially those who are dreaming that this is now a two-way race--ignore is that the second place candidate (Clark) also lost...

[ShortnFiery]

71. Although I don't agree with you draft_mario_cumo, I respect your dedication and persistence.

You're seemingly one mega-driven *man with a mission.* :patriot:

Although it's understood that you're a tireless soldier in support of Edwards, I wish you'd choose to promote Edwards more, instead of finding reasons to slam Obama.

If Obama wins the Democratic Nomination, I hope you will seriously consider compromising and joining our team as I would readily support Edwards if he should be so blessed. Best to you! :-) :hi:

[Tellurian]

73. dmc...Are you attempting to deluge the BO supporters with LOGIC?

Heaven forfend! :)

[Ethelk2044]

79. Obama will do fine. The African American community will support him.

People are really underestimating the African American community support for Obama. However, that is okay in our book. It will be a nice surprise in the end. There will be record turn outs. Normally only 25% of African Americans vote. Not this time around. You can be sure of that and it is not because of Hillary.

[zulchzulu]

61. What was the deal with Madeline Albright anyway?

Uh...nevermind...

[ShortnFiery]

64. I got the total "creeps" when Albright stated that Condi Rice was her father's favorite student

in Graduate School of International Studies ... :scared:



That is soooo weird ... so CREEPY!?! :scared:

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5516648

[ShortnFiery]

55. I'm drawing some breathtaking parallels ... I'm probably paranoid but

but The Hillarite Borg are "in a mood" ... be advised and act accordingly. ;)

[Forkboy]

57. So what's new?

:)

[rufus dog]

69. Bring it on

Who is going to win the hearts and minds of middle America in a one on one! Good timing for a bit of a scuffle for Obama, summer, nobody cares, if he is THE MAN it is a perfect time to take her on.

[saltpoint]

70. We'll be stronger in November 08 if our candidates competing now for

the nomination are by then sturdy allies. It's pretty early, too. Senator Clinton and Senator Obama are in the 1-2 spots respectively, but in politics, the lead often shifts, sometimes more than once or twice.

I feel we're still in the early innings and that lots can still happen.

What if Clark, Gore, or Hart enter the race? What if all 3 do?

There's a dozen or so Republican candidates, all of them worthless, and I think most of our people can whip all of their people. The attrition rate among the Republican candidates is about to pick up.

[jenmarie]

74. Information on Senator Clinton

h/t ms in la at CCN

Imagine
Submitted by ms in la on January 7, 2007 - 9:41pm.

Imagine you are a corporate press mover and shaker, a "decider"-- with an agenda to maintain the corporate status quo in Washington and the world at large and a big budget to help get you there.

Imagine you are repeatedly reminded who to keep in office, who to newly elect in order to insure that plan was forever viable and intact.

When the right wing of the bird is broken and flailing... you need to prop it up, make it look better. Best way to do that is to make the left wing look worse.

Imagine you had all decided (you and your cohorts in the corp press) that the best and perhaps only way to insure that your guys stay in power and survive a left wing coup, is to mightily endorse the candidate for Pres on the other side the least likely to succeed... the most polarizing, and - because you're in Info-Tainment- the one who would also provide the most entertainment value whilst being swifted. Guaranteeing a win for your guy and a good time for viewers while bringing the opposition down.

Because you not only have the budget-- you know you have the airwaves, most all of them, ergo-- the power to influence.

The Hillary formula. And the reason the Media have donated more to Hillary over the past 4 years than anyone else.

A Clinton- Corpress love affair
Submitted by ms in la on January 7, 2007 - 11:52pm.

Who's the Number One recipient of media contributions in 2006 cycle?:
________________________

Media donations in general
Hillary Clinton

Media donations to all Senators
Hillary Clinton

Books/ magazines/ newspapers
Hillary Clinton (receiving 3 times the #2 recipient)

Cable TV
Hillary Clinton (receiving over 2 times the #2 recipient)

TV/ Movies/ Music
Hillary Clinton (recieving 4 times the #2 recipient)

TV / Radio stations
Hillary Clinton (the other 4 of the top 5 are all Republicans)

Communications/ Electronics
Hillary Clinton

TV Production
Hillary Clinton

And in the year 2000-- she was NUMBER 2 in Media Donations to ALL recipients following

#1: Al Gore.

All data from opensecrets.org

http://www.opensecrets.org/industries/recips.asp?Ind=B02&Cycle=2006&recipdetail=A&Mem=N&sortorder=U

[bigwillq]

76. But I thought you were for Hillary

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=1412560&mesg_id=1412681

:shrug: