Hillary is starting to think like Rove.

[bling bling]

You can't beat your enemies until you understand how they think.

Hillary is starting to think like Rove. That's probably why she said what she said about Obama being naive and irresponsible. She's going on the offense against the Republicans.

Whoever wins the primary needs to be ready for the big dogs. The whole party needs to be ready. I can see it already....before the election the press "leaks" some (fake) report that 'foreign leaders of Syria and Iran are overheard discussing how they're hoping for a Democratic victory' or some such nonsense.

IMO, Here are the most important issues the Democrats should be ready on when it comes to the GOP attacks:

1. The Democrats are weak on National security.
2. The Democrats will raise your taxes.
3. The Democrats will be wishy-washy on illegal immigration.

What do you think?

[illinoisprogressive]

1. Hillary has been wanting to get into it with someone

[durrrty libby]

22. "wanting to get into it with someone" Says who? Who told you that?

"get into it" about something special? just anything?
How far into it? For what purpose? To serve what end?

From whose ass did you pull this information?

[eleny]

2. Getcha popcorn - Hot Popcorn!

[rinsd]

5. tee-hee

[rinsd]

3. Possible.

Though I think this attack had less to do with the GE then Hillary simply seeing an opening to hit Obama (who has been slowly escalating his Clinton critiques)

[bling bling]

9. Could be. But it does have the added value of pre-emptively defending against the GOP.

The more I think about it, the more it makes sense to me. Maybe I'm giving her credit where it isn't due, but it seems like a shrewd move to me in terms of the GOP.

[rinsd]

20. Oh to be a fly on the wall at strategy sessions.

Damn now this is REALLY intriguing me.

[bling bling]

21. At the risk of irking the Kerry loyalists...

I can't tell you how many times I thought during Kerry's run that I could have done a better job of managing his campaign. Not that I'm so great, but because I couldn't believe how out of touch and unprepared they were to respond to the rovian tricks. And his campaign's attempts at pre-emptive strikes fell flat because they were too obvious (sail-gliding and quail-hunting come to mind).

But I'm not trying to go off on Kerry. I like him a lot. I just really want to know that we're going to be smarter this time, and more prepared. I have liked what I've seen from Obama in terms of biting back when he's criticized. And I like what I see from Clinton in terms of going for the jugular when the given the opportunity.

[rinsd]

23. Both have shown the ability to hit back and hit back hard.

Obama has a few examples of this over the last few months, whether telling McCain to stuff it about misspellings, smacking Edwards for criticizing his funding votes or this recent one.

Only misstep so far seems to be the Punjab memo.

While not exactly looking forward to it, I am not worried about RW attacks as much this election. Not because the targets are less enticing but because this time they are moving and shooting back!

[William769]

17. The man who invokes Reagan's name

And she's accused of being like rove? Classic! :rofl:

[rinsd]

18. To be fair, think bling's OP is being misunderstood.

[musiclawyer]

4. She is bright, calculating and cunning

She is a political animal, never to be underestimated. But she is not the best choice for the Democratic Party or America at this juncture.

[msongs]

6. you dont know for sure or as a fact but yer willing to say it anyway

link your smear to rove.

use conjecture instead of fact.

state an unproveable assertion.

way to go.

you've got the rove thing down well yourself

Msongs
www.msongs.com/political-shirts.htm

[Donnachaidh]

7. Considering your sig, I've got to wonder just how low you would go

to use negatives against candidates you don't like. Equating Hillary with Rove is low. And I'm no fan of Hillary.

:wow:

[bling bling]

14. I didn't equate her to Rove.

I said she's thinking like him. And meant it as a compliment.

And just for your information I'm a fan of Hillary. Always have been. I'm not an Obama cheerleader. I can pull for any/all of the Democrats that I want to. Or, conversely, I can dislike any one of them based on their positions and policies. My candidate has nothing to do with it. It's really liberating to be me in that sense and I couldn't have it any other way.

[Donnachaidh]

19. err, who has been studying Rove?

:rofl:

[ccpup]

15. interestingly

I didn't see it as a slam against Hillary. The Dems need to understand -- finally! -- that, at times, you DO need to think like your "enemy" in order to win. If thinking "like Rove" during the campaign and, in effect, blunting the inevitable attacks and getting the upper-hand is what's necessary to get back into the White House and turn this country back onto a sane course of Peace and a rebuilding of our relationships with other Countries, I'm all for it.

We can't be nice, talk about Peace all the time and let them slam us again and again and again. Sometimes you gotta get dirty to achieve the important stuff.

[rinsd]

16. Well I am a fan of Hillary and I did not see it that way.

I saw it more as looking at the recent spat in tactical terms trying to see what long term goals if any Hillary's team had in mind with this attack.

Though there are certainly haters who will now say Hillary is like Rove without the nuance Bling provided.

[meow2u3]

8. Attack the perceived strength of the GOP candidates

And that, currently, is national security (e.g. the Iraq War) and the so-called "war on terror."

We can always counter with:
The Republicans are weak on corporate crime.
The Republicans will trample on your constitutional rights.
The Republicans are wishy-washy on civil rights.


Try that; see how it works.

[bling bling]

11. Those don't outweigh national security, though.

The Republicans have become the masters of framing the issues. Of course, that's all they're "masters" of doing. But it seems to work well in getting them elected.

I'd like to know how the Dems plan to attack back (or pre-emptively) on national security.

[emulatorloo]

10. Rove attacks people's strengths. And projects the weaknesses of his candidates onto his

opponents.

Thats why Cheney in 04 said Kerry had no moral center (i.e. Cheney has no moral center, so he accused Kerry of it)

Kerry was a war hero and Bush a war zero. So Rove attacked Kerry's service record.

ETC ETC ETC.

[bling bling]

12. You're absolutely right.

I've never seen it put so succinctly like that. But that's exactly what he does. I hope the Dem candidates are keeping it in mind for the GE.

I don't necessarily like being beaten, but it's the Rove factor that makes me so angry. I will never get over it if we're outRoved again.

[undergroundpanther]

13. She thinks like rove for a reason...

They are on the same side, different color flags.
Nancy Pelosi, Hillary Clinton, and Joe Lieberman each received $10,000 in campaign contributions from neocon-linked weapons maker Lockheed-Martin's Political Action Committee during the 2006 election cycle. Could this be one reason Pelosi and Hillary refuse to stand firmly for peace while Lieberman blatantly calls for even wider war?

http://pittsburgh.indymedia.org/news/2007/06/27635.php

Eager to overcome her reputation as the leader of the party’s left wing, Hillary is “repositioning” herself, in modern parlance, as a “centrist,” i.e. a complete opportunist. She could have no better teacher than Wittmann, who from the pulpit of his “Moose-blog,” advises her to “seize the issue of Iranian nukes to draw a line in the sand.” While paying lip service to multilateralism, she should “make it clear that while force is the last resort, she would never take it off the table in dealing with the madmen mullahs and the psychotic leader of Iran.”
http://ronbeas2.blogspot.com/2006/03/neocon-hillary.html
The prime cause of bankruptcy now is Americans being robbed and fleeced by the medical industry. And they’re permanently ruined by the likes of Clinton, Biden and their Republican and Democratic bedfellows. Don’t be fooled by these bastards for God’s sake.
http://www.democrats.com/node/13651

Check this out and think..Rove is like her they are on the same side.
http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/?q=node/24688