Anyone but Hillary Clinton: Who's on board?

[LBJDemocrat]

I'm an Edwards supporter, and in the past, I've defended Clinton in order to damage Obama, who's competing with Edwards for second place. Recently, however, I've come to the conclusion that we should avoid a Hillary Clinton nomination at all costs. She's an empty shell of a human being with no convictions. Another corporatist president in the pocket of the People's Republic of China is not what I'm looking for.

An Edwards presidency would be a return to old-school, pre-DLC Democratic policies. An Obama presidency would mark the beginning of a fresh new foreign policy, and it would likely instantly result in a great boost of political capital on the international stage.

Either of these is preferable to a Clinton presidency.

I urge all Edwards supporters to support Obama if Edwards becomes non-viable, and I urge all Obama supporters to do the same if Obama no longer has a good chance.

Let's not allow Hillary Clinton to do what Humphrey did in 1968. The "inevitability" of her nomination sickens me, and I will do my part to stop it.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

1. Sounds good to me.

I'm undecided. Except for Hillary. She's fucking terrible.

[insanad]

108. Polarizing Effect

While many of the things Hilary Clinton is so well practiced at are viable in the leadership skills necessary to be a president, she is also vehemently loathed by most Republicans, many insecure men, and lots of traditional women. The potential for the Democrats to win the presidency and other important positions is very very good, especially after years of what the Republicans have done to take the position to absolutely new lows. I think even many Republicans would vote for a good Democratic leader if given the choice between Romney, Guliani, or Edwards and Obama. Unfortunately, if the Democrats choose Hilary Clinton as their candidate, they'll in effect guarantee that Republicans will rally to vote against her, as will some Democrats and many independents. Even if she manages to win the election her personality and history will further polarize the whole Washington scene and the gridlock we've had for the last 20 years will only escalate. She is so vulnerable to whatever opinions and polls tell her to do that she'll be virtually paralyzed by trying to please everyone. In the end, she'll please no one.

I've been reading a lot about Barack Obama and even though he's young (actually he and I are the same age, so that means I'm young too!!!), a little inexperienced, and some ignorant and backward illiterates equate the rhyme of his name with Osama, I still think he has all the values, rhetoric, and history of being able to unify people on both sides of the fence. He is maturing quickly to the game of politics and shows a great deal of grace and dignity (except when he harps on about not voting for the war and continually pointing fingers at those who did). One of the most important elements in good leadership is to have the ability to inspire many people to do good and worthwhile things. Other than the bigots that would reject him because his father was black, I cannot see how anyone could negate his value as a lawmaker, a compassionate visionary, and a potentially great leader. Visit his website and read about the things he's actually participated in or enacted in his Senatorial career.

I believe that Senator Obama can unify the American people, the international climate and attitude toward Americans, the various Republican and Democratic factions, and with all that support, he can be effective as a leader. The programs he supports will benefit all of us, especially the poor. It may be the money of the wealthy that builds universities and hospitals, but much of that money is made on the backs of the millions of "Ants" that they exploit. His efforts and vision resonate with so many people that live on that edge. There's more of us (ants) than there are of them (grasshoppers) and it's time we show our revolt by voting for the one who has OUR interests at heart.

[emilyg]

127. Ugly post.

I will support anyone nominated. I don't like vicious posts.

[Name removed]

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[droidamus2]

178. Not quite

The idea is not that we will 'block vote for a Democrat' it is that we will block vote against any Republican. I say fight the good fight in the primaries. If your chosen candidate(s) can beat Hillary great. If your candidate loses get behind whoever the party has chosen. You are never going to get a 'perfect' candidate, but you can be assured that whoever the Republicans put up will be even worse. There is at least a chance that Hillary will listen to the base of the Democratic party. The Republicans don't give a damn what any Democrat or non-conservative has to say. Sure you can stand on your ideals a a la Ralph Nader and have the Republicans get 4-8 more years in the presidency and solidify the conservative control of the Supreme Court. At least you could say 'I didn't vote for that person'. Personally I would love to see at least a third viable party in this country, but the only way that is going to happen is from the grass roots over a long period of time. As long as there is only two viable parties would you rather have the 'friend' you are always arguing with running things or the enemy that would rather see you disappear in charge.

[emilyg]

189. What's You Tube?

[patricia92243]

2. Who'se on board? Not me!

[PinkTiger]

109. Neither am I.

I will proudly vote for whomever gets the nomination. But I will not disparage any candidates at this point. I think it is wrong to say the same things about our candidates that the Republicans are saying.

[footinmouth]

119. Me neither

I will vote for the Democratic nominee, whomever it turns out to be.

[jobycom]

3. Make it Anyone but Edwards, and I'll think about it.

The only thing he's done that she hasn't done is issue a useless apology and look disingenuous doing it. I don't remember Hillary in 2004 telling me I was wrong for opposing the war. I do remember Edwards telling me that.

Sorry. Hillary over Edwards, any day.

[jgraz]

23. You must like your current health insurance

Cuz under a Clinton administration, you're going to be living with that for a while.

[jobycom]

114. You'll wait longer with Edwards.

He doesn't have the experience to get it done, even if you do for some reason believe he's sincere.

[illinoisprogressive]

4. I always thought we should team up as the enemy is Hillary. Not Obama or Edwards

[ElizabethDC]

6. Hillary is the enemy? I thought the Republicans were the enemy. My bad. n/t

[LBJDemocrat]

15. She's the enemy until the nomination is announced

As for whether I'd vote for her in the general election: I'm not sure.

[MNDemNY]

11. The "enemy is Hillary"???? WTF

[Der Blaue Engel]

5. Thanks, but I'll just walk n/t

[Skip Intro]

7. No thanks. nt/

[bluerum]

8. Is that a water board? Or just a plain old paddle type board? eom

[rinsd]

9. I urge people to be for Democrats rather than against them.

"An Edwards presidency would be a return to old-school, pre-DLC Democratic policies."

You do know he was a charter member of the New Democrats, the DLC's Senate wing, don't you?

"An Obama presidency would mark the beginning of a fresh new foreign policy,"

There are few if any substanitive differences between Obama, Hillary and Edwards on foreign policy.

"and it would likely instantly result in a great boost of political capital on the international stage."

As would a return of the Clintons!

[RaleighNCDUer]

154. You do understand that a vote for Hillary is NOT a vote for Bill.

He had his two terms. Let it be.

[Warpy]

10. Hillary Clinton is my third least favorite candidate

and I will be voting for someone else in my state's primary.

However, I will vote for her if she is the nominee. Putting another Republic into office is unthinkable.

[trogdor]

141. Hear, hear!

Enough of this internecine squabbling. The truth is, we can do a LOT worse than Hillary. She's sane, competent, and don't put up with any shit. Best of all, she can win. What more do you want?

Admins, I think it's time for a 2008 Democratic Primary Discussion Board. Stick all this stuff in there.

[Poiuyt]

12. Is a Giuliani or a Romney presidency preferable to a Clinton presidency?

Hillary isn't my favorite candidate, but if she wins the primaries, I will support her in the general election.

[truebrit71]

100. If Hillary wins the nomination one of those two guys WILL be president...

...The woman is POISON to our chances....NOTHING will get the rabid right-wing base out like another Clinton running for the WH...and she has so many negatives there will be very little to entice the middle of the road voters to votre FOR her...

[IA_Seth]

125. helped along by people like you! n/t

[DemSoccerMom]

135. Way to support the Dems

". . . has so many negatives there will be very little to entice the middle of the road voters to votre for her..."

Show me a candidate who has absolutely NO flaws (or, as you word it, negatives) and I'll show you nothing more than a talking head.

I used to think that we, as Democrats, were supposed to be above tearing down ANY potential democratic nominee. If you don't like her, then fine, don't vote for her. But I find these attacks against Sen. Clinton to be childish.

There are a few Democratic hopefuls who I don't particularly like. I would never, however, want to disparage any of them. Why? Well, even if I don't like some of the things they did/do/say/said/stand for, ANY Democrat is surely better than the alternative -- a Republican. And besides, once we go around attacking each other, we're just doing the Republican's work for them.

[RaleighNCDUer]

155. "Negatives" is not "flaws".

"Negatives" is the solid core of the other side who would sooner see their mothers burn in hell before they'd vote for Hillary. That is roughly 45%, now. No other candidate has so many potential voters that they CANNOT touch.

Please factor that into your calculations.

[Name removed]

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[enough already]

115. That's what you'll get if she's the nominee. n/t

[CoffeeCat]

13. Hillary...no way in hell!

If you want a corporatist, who is bought and paid for by big pharma and
the insurance companies--then Hillary is your candidate.

If you want a candidate who will resurrect old stories about interns, blow
jobs, blue dresses, husbands cheating on wives, Whitewater, Vince Foster,
Travelgate, etc--then Hillary is your candidate.

If you want a candidate who has remained virtually silent--and has stood by
DOING NOT A DAMN THING---while our current dictator destroys our civil rights,
enacts torture as our national past time and shreds democracy--then Hillary
is your candidate.

If you want a candidate who not only voted to authorize the war and refused
to denounce that vote this year---but also began beating the Iran war drum
by saying, "War with Iran is certainly a possibility...", then Hillary is
your candidate.

If you want a candidate who will make the John Kerry swiftboatting look
like a harmless tribute to Kerry's Vietnam service---the Hillary is your
candidate--because they will eviscerate her and her husband so bad that
the election will be over by March!

If you want a candidate who is strongly disliked by 30 percent of Dems,
a majority of Independents and 80 percent of Republicans, then Hillary
is your candidate. 60 percent of current Democrats say that want the
Dem nominee to be someone other than Hillary.

If you want to please the Republicans, by offering up a sacrificial lamb with
more baggage than a loaded 747, then Hillary is your candidate.

If you want lose this election, then Hillary is your candidate.

[Carolina]

34. I hear ya

and totally agree ... love "the more baggage than a loaded 747!"

[Harry Monroe]

56. My sentiments exactly!!!

[kiteinthewind]

63. Ditto! nt

[truebrit71]

101. Amen!

...

[QueenOfCalifornia]

174. Edwards Gets My Vote - but....

I agree 100% with TwoSparkles.

My other thoughts:
I have always believed that the GOP is behind Hillary's meteoric rise at the polls - They are the ones who want the Dems to nominate her since the middle of the road voters will be swayed by the Hillary Swift-boating that will overtake the airwaves and print media.

If push comes to shove and Hillary is the nominee - Of course I will vote for her - I would rather stand on my head and stack B-B's with my eyelashes for a week than ever see another MOFO Republican in office -

[JDPriestly]

14. I would agree except I don't like Obama's stance on Social

Security, and I don't think other older voters will either. Obama has a real problem there because we who are older are, as a group, more likely to vote than younger people. And we vote our own economic issues. Obama needs to clarify his 100% support for the Social Security system. There is no way that system can be replaced or changed so as to protect the investments that baby boomers and those older than the baby boomers have made in that system. The social chaos that would result from "reforming" Social Security would be devastating not just for those of us who are older now, but for those who become older in the future.

I really don't trust Obama on this issue at all. It could make him very unelectable. Unless Democrats offer older people something other than insecurity and a poverty-stricken future, why would the old school Democratic older people choose to vote for a Democrat? The youthful energy and optimism and "hepness" of Obama is not likely to draw older voters in the same numbers as it does the younger voters.

That is only one of my many reasons for supporting Edwards. There is also the fact that Obama's policies are unclear to me. Obama is a great, inspiring speaker, but he seems kind of unsure and oohs and aahs and uums a lot when asked about specific policy stances. He needs a lot more practice. Edwards has the experience of the 2004 campaign behind him.

Obama could convince me, but he would have to improve on what he has offered thus far.

I love Edwards' focus on poverty, working people and the middle class issues. Regardless of whether he wins or not, he is serving America just by the way he is campaigning.

[rjones2818]

16. Make it anybody but

Hillary, John and Obama and I'm on board.

:evilgrin:

[jillan]

17. Say no to the entire top tier.

[mtnsnake]

18. The only way Edwards has a chance is if every other candidate drops out

and even then he probably still wouldnt get the Democratic nod. lol

[PresidentObama]

30. I don't agree with the thread, but mtnsnake you know thats not true.

Just because the media isn't orgasming over Edwards like they are for Hillary or Obama, doesn't mean he's out of the race and has no chance. I'd say he has just as good of a chance as Hillary or Obama to win the nomination. He's leading in Iowa, leading the "issues debate" and running a great campaign. You have no justification for Edwards having no chance. Because he does have a chance, and a damn good one.

I'm sure this time in 2003 some people said John Kerry had no chance and Dean was the candidate. Who won the nomination? Mtnsnake's favorite :P

[jgraz]

19. Agreed, but we better have a plan B

One thing that's nice about Hillary is that she can be pressured into just about anything (one of the bonuses of having no core beliefs). Just in case she does get nominated, we'd better have some activism plans in place to keep the pressure on once she's President.

[TreasonousBastard]

20. So, even if I agreed, WTF am I supposed to do...

to stop the juggernaut?

I'd much rather put any money and energy I have into pushing whoever I think is best than just trying to trash Hillary and let the chips fall.

I'll try to help someone, but if he doesn't get it, I'll go with whoever does-- even Hillary.

Unless, of course, Giuliani's the opposition. Far better he gets the job than the harridan Clinton, eh?

[Yael]

21. My mohter is an old school republican

She told me that if Rudy gets the nod, she is staying home as she won't vote for him. One exception -- and that is if he is running against Hillary. She doesn't believe in "negative voting" but will make an exception in Hillary's case.

Yes, I am behind ABC (Anyone But Clinton). Too many Republicans are pulling for her to be the candidate because they know it will mobilize the public to vote for whatever empty suit they throw out there just to defeat her.

I am currently pulling for Edwards with Obama as a second and will gladly throw my support behind Obama should Edwards campaign falter out.

[elizm]

36. SAME HERE...

I live in a very RED state. But I can not tell you how many times recently I have heard Republicans say they do not like any of their choices and they could vote for Obama...BUT ABC...anybody but Clinton is their meme. As I said upthread, if Edwards is ahead when the vote gets to SC I will vote for him. I hope Edwards supporter will do the same. Hillary will bring out EVERY Republican in my state to vote against her!

[Laurab]

124. I'm in a blue state, but I get the same thing

from the few republicans I know. They HATE their candidates, but they hate Hillary more. For some reason, they think Obama is ok, and they're not wild about Edwards - I don't know a whole lot of republicans, so I don't know if that's the general feeling or not.

What I do know is that Hillary will bring out the republican vote like no one else. They hate her as much as we hate *. I don't understand why, but that's a fact, and it's the main reason I don't want her to win the nomination. I have nothing against her personally, really, although I don't know what she's done to be considered the "front runner".

I still think if she wins the primary, she can get elected, but just barely, whereas Obama could win in a landslide. I don't want 4 years of a president that half of the country can't stand, who won't be able to get anything done, and I fear that's what Hillary would bring. We need someone who has the country behind them.

[quinnox]

22. I think Hillary is the best choice

But regarding the OP's plea for Edwards and Obama supporters to team up, I think it will be interesting to see what happens should one of them eventually withdraw from the race.

I'm not sure the second choice of either group's
supporters would be so strongly against Hillary

In fact I think some would instead go to Hillary instead of Obama or Edwards (depending on who dropped)

[rodeodance]

24. i am not on your board.

[zulchzulu]

25. I'd support her in the GE knowing that we would lose

I'm also convinced that she will not be the nominee anyway.

[Ethelk2044]

190. Will not support in General But Agree with you. She will not be the Nominee

[Blue_In_AK]

26. I'll vote for her if I have to

but she's my least favorite candidate.

[SaveElmer]

27. Poor Obamatons...

[Blue_In_AK]

29. I'm not crazy about Obama either. n/t

[Joe the Revelator]

80. Wow, flash back to the republicans claiming victory before all the votes were counted...

... in 2000.

[Pachamama]

28. The only thing I dread more than Hillary as President is another Republican President

There's a difference, I've been told....

:eyes:

[PresidentObama]

31. Another Edwards supporter here: I'LL PASS!!

It sickens me that you proclaim yourself as an Edwards supporter. It makes all Edwards supporters look scared of a little competition, and uncommitted to a Democratic victory in 2008. I'll vote for who can win, and do the best job. Right now that's John Edwards. If Hillary wins the nomination, she'll be that candidate!

[TeamJordan23]

32. Bill was somewhat genuine when he first ran. Hillary has been phony from the start. nm

[superkia]

35. For me, its Obama, Edwards and then Clinton

In my opinion the media is behind Clinton and that scares me but I would vote for her if shes the nominee because she would then show the country that its not just the Republicans that are controlled by money and big business. So maybe Americans would vote in a real candidate for the people in the next election. We will see!

[elizm]

33. I said this very same thing to my Edwards supporter friends last week!

I think we absolutly must do this. I don't know any Edwards supporters who want Hillary and I don't know any Obama supporters who want Hillary. Early on in the primaries if it looks like Hillary is going to take it, we HAVE TO unite. If Edwards is ahead of Obama when it gets to South Carolina where I live, I will vote for Edwards. I would hope that his supporters would do the same if Obama is ahead. The majority of the Democratic party voters want someone else besides Hillary if you look at the polls. I say we unite and nominate a ticket that can win!

[flyarm]

37. nope! not from this woman! i want no more families!!

and since bill is now papa b.'s adopted son ..no thanks!

fly

[MODemocrat]

38. Count me out, I'm not for Obama or Edwards at this time

but I'm certainly not for a republican operative. So saying anyone but Hillary is not for me. I'm with the Democratic party, so I'll vote for Obama or Edwards if one of them is nominated. Anything but a republican! Republicans act goofy, (or maybe they're not acting.) :silly:

[Diane R]

39. Count me in. I'll only vote for her holding my nose.

[Gelliebeans]

40. Ok by me

[Jersey Devil]

41. It looks to me she's running the best campaign and will win

No, she isn't my first choice but I certainly will vote for her if she gets the nomination.

[Alamom]

42. Uh, NO.

:rofl:

[blueknight]

43. she is not electable,

imho. im afraid we dont really have a candidate that mainstream america can identify with. obama is black. edwards is a trial lawyer, hilary is probably the most hated of all. I think any of the three would be better then what we have, but im afraid the rest of america dont think so. i hope im wrong. as of now, i would vote for obama

[Alamom]

46. I disagree with your view of all 3 candidates. eom

[Ethelk2044]

44. I am on board

[beyurslf]

45. How about "Anyone but the Republican?"

[LBJDemocrat]

47. It depends on whether Clinton moves to the right after the nom

and to what extent. Assuming she gets the nomination.

No one's going to take my vote for granted, least of all her.

[Auntie Bush]

102. That's what we should all be saying! That's what DU is for.

Not for blasting our own candidates. Let's all build up our own and saying derogatory things about their composition.

[gnvresident]

48. will take Hillary over Republican but not over Edwards

I too support John Edwards with all my heart I beleive he is what we despartely need. If Hillary gets the Democratic nomination (which I really hope with all hope possible that it will be Edwards) I will have take Mrs. Clinton over any Republican. Although I have heard interesting things about Ron Paul but Republicans have betrayed this country so badly with Bush I think I would have a really hard time going for any of them in the General Election. Anything you can take from Clinton and give to Edwards would be appreciated. He is very genuine.

[DemBones DemBones]

49. I agree. We won't get single payer health care if she wins.

That means a whole lot of real live Americans are not going to have any health care.

But, hey, I guess we've all got health insurance so screw the poor, right?

[donco]

50. My fav would be Clark, second choice

Edwards, least fav Hillary. Seen enough Clintons and Bush’s to last a lifetime. If she got the nod, would hold my nose and vote for her.

[LBJDemocrat]

51. I like Clark a lot as well

He's right up there tied with Edwards for me. What I said about Obama applies to him.

[MNDemNY]

53. Clark's debate performance rocked.

[TeamJordan23]

52. Hillary statistically tied with Thomspon in latest Gallup, Obama with big lead over Thompson. nm

[NobleCynic]

54. ...yeah. I share the sentiment

I will support whomever appears to have the better chance against Hillary come primary season.

[eggman67]

55. I'm with ya!

But obviously I prefer Gov. Richardson ;)

[sellitman]

96. I'm warming up to Bill

As a Kucinich supporter there is something down to earth about Bill that makes me trust him more than all the "Front Runners". It came out during the debate. He doesn't sound like a used car salesman. You actually believe he is on your side. Very refreshing.

[GeorgeGist]

57. Unfortunately like Bill ...

she's an dime-a-dozen con-artist. She's a shoe-in for the nomination.

[maximusveritas]

58. I'm almost there

If you had asked me a couple years ago, I would have been on board without hesitation. After the first few debates, I was starting to warm up to Hillary. At this last debate, however, I saw Hillary's true colors once again and they weren't pretty.

[emilyg]

59. I"ll proudly vote for Mrs. Clinton

[Adelante]

60. I don't get the political logic of that, really

One or the other of the two candidates needs to be standing alone against Hillary by the late fall; the only route is for one to knock the other out of the running or far back enough it won't matter. Obama and Edwards need to be fighting EACH OTHER right now. Then the one left standing goes after Hillary. Otherwise, the not-Hillary vote is split and ineffective. Anyway, you guys won't be on speaking terms, never mind making an alliance, by the time it matters. What the OP is suggesting reminds me of the Edwards-Kucinich deal in Iowa 2004. I don't know a Kucinich supporter who was happy with that trade-off. Obama supporters, don't get suckered. This is not in Obama's best interest. Obama needs a weakened, not a stronger Edwards. Hillary needs a stronger Edwards right now to weaken Obama. Don't play.

That's my advice :hi:

[Peregrine Took]

61. I'll bite on that. BushCLintonClintonBushBush - stop the madness! n/t

[PatSeg]

62. I don't support Hillary either

though she is far better than ANY republican candidate (not too hard to do however). I don't trust her. She is too scripted and polished and every decision appears to be political. This is not the same Hillary I remember from the nineties.

Who are the Democrats that they keep polling who chose Hillary??? I don't personally know anyone who wants her to become president. I have a feeling it won't be one of the top tier candidates in the end. People are already tired of them - overexposed, a downside of being an early front runner. The MEDIA picks the front runners, not us, but they're generally wrong. I'd never heard of Bill Clinton in 1992 or John Kerry in 2004.

I will vote for whoever the Democratic nominee is, but I think we are in for some surprises.

[mzmolly]

64. Sorry, my only oath is to prevent another Republican President.

:hi:

[goodgd_yall]

65. Getting off your train n/t

[AtomicKitten]

66. It's anybody but a Republican for me, please.

bottom line

[Colobo]

67. Obama is my first choice. Edwards is, once again, my second choice.

Hillary turned me off in the last debate.

[ShortnFiery]

68. Count me on board! nt

[NotGivingUp]

69. You don't have to worry about me. My motto is "Nobody but Kucinich!" nt

[othermeans]

84. I'm with you. Everybody else seems so scripted. Did you read about that plot to assasinate

Dennis when he was mayor of Cleveland? They theorize it was a bunch of bankers.

[NotGivingUp]

129. I did not hear about that! I'd like to read about that. Do you have a link?

[othermeans]

138. Here's the URL for the news story it was posted on YouTube about 5 minutes long

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20sRFPAbDQw

Here's a URL for text:

http://www.freetimes.com/stories/15/9/the-mafia-plot-to-kill-dennis-kucinich

Really interesting stuff

[NotGivingUp]

142. Thanks! That was interesting. Seems there's always enough scum around to go after the good guys. nt

[MLFerrell]

70. I was watching the "debate" the other day with a few friends...

All solidly Democratic, and all six of us were unanimous in agreeing that none of us would EVER vote for HRC under ANY circumstances. I said if it came down to her and a Repuke, I'd vote Libertarian, another said that she'd vote Green, and the other four said that they wouldn't vote at all.

THIS IS WHAT AWAITS THE DEMOCRATS IF CLIN-TON IS NOMINATED!

[Oldenuff]

71. I'm with ya

I'm not bashing her,I just don't like or trust her.Give me a candidate who isn't afraid to tell the truth,or stand up for what is the right thing to do.My campaign contributions will go to someone who has some guts,and doesn't just follow the mainstream.At this point in time,it appears that only Dennis K. fits the bill.

I don't care for Edwards either..sorry,but he in my opinion is just another empty hat.

[MasonJar]

72. Quit flaming Hillary. Concentrate on the real bad actors:Thompson

(who scares me to death with his fundraising for Scooter and his spying for Nixon) and McCain (who is obviously over the hill and I do not mean age, I mean character) and Guilliani (who is a total phony and probably ex-Mafia) and of course Mitt (who everyone seems to think looks presidential, but to me looks like just another holier-than-thou GOPer who embodies all the elements personifying a hypocrite.)

[Milo_Bloom]

73. Anyone but Edwards, Clinton, Biden, Dodd

[jillan]

74. Are you voting for Gravel?

[Milo_Bloom]

75. No...

Just wouldn't vote for Clinton, Biden, Edwards or Dodd in the primary or the general election.

[The Count]

165. Now that's a board I like better. No IWR voter for me!

[caligirl]

76. Unless the primary is to be decided solely by DU members, I'll pass on the divisive tone offered up

I see nothing to be gained by getting DU members to draw up sides.(I'm offended by the post actually but thats okay.) The idea that going against one candidate here in this blog site is somehow going to make a shilling of a difference in the outcome of a primary is silly. It just divides and alienates a group who ultimately want civil rights, human rights and a democracy free of fascist dictators.

[BluegrassDem]

77. I'm on board!

I actually used to diss Edwards a lot, but I've grown to respect him a lot more in the past few weeks and now he's my #2 choice behind Obama. Anybody but Hillary! I'll take Richardson and Biden before Hillary. She's becoming more distasteful the further this campaign goes on.

[politicasista]

78. It's too early for me

but I will vote for the nominee and that's all.

[Joe the Revelator]

79. I'm SO onboard!

ABBC!!!!!

[OwnedByFerrets]

81. All for it and behind the sentiment 100%

[Manifestor_of_Light]

82. here's my scoreboard:

Anybody but: Biden, Dodd, Hillary, or Obama. Too corporate.

I like Edwards and Kucinich.

However, Sen. Gravel goes to the correct church for me. He worships the coffeepot, and prays "To Whom It May Concern". (those are Unitarian jokes).

[BenDavid]

83. Buying into the repub spin

machine that says just how bad they want HRC to win the nomination is not being someone fully inofrmed. I have commented on this many times in the past and I will say it here again,
"Listen folks each time we hear a talk radio Nazi, or any Fox reporter say "The republicans want Senator Clinton to run," means they're afraid of her. Talk radio and Fox whores are saying great things about Obama, which should make you wonder. Why would facsist bastards say nice things about Obama?

I have nothing bad to say about Obama. If Obama wins - whoever wins the Democratic nomination, I'm behind him/her all the way. (That's a sentence you won't hear from most in here.)

But seriously, between Obama with little experience and the only team to win back-to-back presidential campaigns since FDR, (the team that beat war hero Bush and war hero Dole), ...

who do you think the super-racist GOP wants to run against?

I do thank you
Ben David

[farmboxer]

85. Why do Neocons hate Hillary? She is NOT a Neocon

I do not like everything about her, but with all the extreme hatred from Neocons, I think she must be OK. So much hatred for her by some, I don't understand why. I think I will finally put my support for her. I will not vote for a damned Republican fascist pig! I will vote for the Democrat, and I will not allow spite to stop me. Republicans have proven to me that they are wrong. Bill Clinton is like Jesus Christ compared to Bush & pals!

[Dawgs]

95. You can't find a better Democratic candidate than someone that voted for the war?

Hmmm, it sounds like you've always been behind Clinton. And, it sounds like spite is one of the major reasons.

[avrdream]

86. No, thanks. She has my vote.

[Hippo_Tron]

87. Well Edwards is my second choice so I'm certainly on board by default

Although I think trying to organize an anybody but Hillary movement just gives fuel to her inevitability argument. On the other hand, I think her sense of inevitability will be her downfall.

If this were a Republican Primary, Hillary would be inevitable because they annoint their frontrunner early. History of Democratic Primaries shows that voters love the underdog and early frontrunners don't do well unless they are an incumbent President or VP.

[OneBlueSky]

88. how about "Anybody but a died-in-the-wool corporatist? . . .

until we reign in the mega-corps, nothing in this country is going to change . . . and electing someone with a list of corporate donors as long as my arm will do nothing but ensure business as usual -- something we can ill afford as a nation or as a planet . . .

[Perry Logan]

89. The "Anyone but Hillary" meme was coined by the Right, you know.

Y'all are repeating right-wing memes you have heard over and over.

This is not the sign of a strong intellect.

[Freddie Stubbs]

90. How about anyone but Edwards?

If you don't like his positions on the issues, just wait until he changes them.

[rateyes]

91. No more nominees who are sitting Senators...

How about that one?

[watercolors]

92. NOT ON BOARD!

nt

[Dawgs]

93. I'm with ya!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

94. I'm ABR

Anybody But A Republican...

That being said Obama is my first choice...Edwards is my second... Hillary is my third...

Carry on...

[Virginia Dare]

97. Anyone but a Republican or Bloomberg..

that's where I'm coming from. I could live with Edwards, Obama, or HRC just fine. None of them are perfect, but each one of them has their merits and they're all Democrats.

[Rockholm]

98. NO THANKS.

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[DaveT]

103. Anybody but Hillary in the primary! Absolutely.

If she is the nominee, things get sticky -- but I'm not ready to say that I'd favor a Republican or a splinter party candidate. If and when we are faced with that question, we won't be able to debate it here, which is OK with me. But it will not be an easy decision to make.

Hillary Rodham has never impressed me with any real commitment to progressive politics. Neither did her husband. Both are schemers whose actions suggest that fund raising means more to them than making positive political change happen.

Our party has taken a huge step away from the DLC/Clinton paradigm of corporate fundraising with the Dean chairmanship -- it would be a major step backwards for us to nominate Mrs. Clinton.

[Imagevision]

104. The MSM is promoting Hillary, like she's a done deal... (BS.)

[here_is_to_hope]

105. I am not into bashing Democrats. n/t

[insanad]

106. Polarizing Effect

While many of the things Hilary Clinton is so well practiced at are viable in the leadership skills necessary to be a president, she is also vehemently loathed by most Republicans, many insecure men, and lots of traditional women. The potential for the Democrats to win the presidency and other important positions is very very good, especially after years of what the Republicans have done to take the position to absolutely new lows. I think even many Republicans would vote for a good Democratic leader if given the choice between Romney, Guliani, or Edwards and Obama. Unfortunately, if the Democrats choose Hilary Clinton as their candidate, they'll in effect guarantee that Republicans will rally to vote against her, as will some Democrats and many independents. Even if she manages to win the election her personality and history will further polarize the whole Washington scene and the gridlock we've had for the last 20 years will only escalate. She is so vulnerable to whatever opinions and polls tell her to do that she'll be virtually paralyzed by trying to please everyone. In the end, she'll please no one.

I've been reading a lot about Barack Obama and even though he's young (actually he and I are the same age, so that means I'm young too!!!), a little inexperienced, and some ignorant and backward illiterates equate the rhyme of his name with Osama, I still think he has all the values, rhetoric, and history of being able to unify people on both sides of the fence. He is maturing quickly to the game of politics and shows a great deal of grace and dignity (except when he harps on about not voting for the war and continually pointing fingers at those who did). One of the most important elements in good leadership is to have the ability to inspire many people to do good and worthwhile things. Other than the bigots that would reject him because his father was black, I cannot see how anyone could negate his value as a lawmaker, a compassionate visionary, and a potentially great leader. Visit his website and read about the things he's actually participated in or enacted in his Senatorial career.

I believe that Senator Obama can unify the American people, the international climate and attitude toward Americans, the various Republican and Democratic factions, and with all that support, he can be effective as a leader. The programs he supports will benefit all of us, especially the poor. It may be the money of the wealthy that builds universities and hospitals, but much of that money is made on the backs of the millions of "Ants" that they exploit. His efforts and vision resonate with so many people that live on that edge. There's more of us (ants) than there are of them (grasshoppers) and it's time we show our revolt by voting for the one who has OUR interests at heart.

[BigDDem]

107. Jump on board...

the train to nowhere!

[YOY]

110. Been there for a while.

I do not want to see this place if she wins the primaries. It will be a ghost town.

[Bake]

111. Not me. "Anyone" could include, e.g., Gravel (i.e., whacko)

And I want a Dem nominee who can WIN. I think any of our top three could handily beat any Puke in the General.

I'll gladly vote for HRC if she's the nom (and no, she's not my first choice).

Bake

[abq e streeter]

112. Not crazy about Obama, but

a lot better than Hillary. I'll support ANY Democrat ahead of her. I am really afraid we're going to nominate her. I'll have to vote for her, because Hillary losing the general election would be an even bigger disaster than her winning, but will keep any volunteering I do focused on local candidates; I won't lift a finger to help her.

[Arugula Latte]

113. A.B.C.

She is a horrible choice. We squander a huge opportunity if we nominate her.

[Faux pas]

116. I'm with you. I believe that all the rethug hoopla over clinton is

a gigantic smokescreen. Getting her would be like getting one of their own. The more they protest, the easier it is for her to slither in. As far as my choices go, she's not even on the list.

[obnoxiousdrunk]

117. No thanks.

[Roland99]

118. Kucinich is the only one that would totally kick Corporatocracy to the curb.

The rest are all poseurs with no substance.



Just my $0.02

[Lautremont]

122. Coincidentally, 0.02 is about the percentage of the vote Kucinich

can claim at the moment. It's sad, because I very much agree with you about him.

[Roland99]

177. Yes, it is very sad. The man the country needs most is the one the "liberal" media dismisses.

[BrightKnight]

188. You have to make your own magic and he does not have any.

He appeals to some because he has a very pure message. He is not in the habit of appealing to a broad audience. Talking about changing the world is one thing. Getting into a position to change the world and actually changing it is another thing.

[Roland99]

192. Which is sad, again. He's more substance than flash. Sad indictment on America...

when flash is chosen over substance.

[NaturalHigh]

120. I won't say "anyone but Hillary"...

but I definitely won't vote for her.

[kaygore]

121. I agree! I think most Americans are tired of panders and whores.

[DFW]

123. No, thanks

First of all, I do not see her nomination as "inevitable" by any
stretch. That's like saying Howard's nomination was inevitable at
this point in 2003 (if only!).

Second of all, there is no way Hillary would appoint another Scalia
clone to the Supreme Court. She would appoint another Steve Breyer
clone, and that is what we so desperately need.

Though not my first choice, I will enthusiatically support her or
ANY Democratic nominee to the left of Zell Miller before I support
the likes of Mitt Romney or Fred Thompson.

If I finally come to a conclusion as to which candidate I support for
the nomination, there is no way I'll join the negative side of things.
I will be "for" someone, and only against the Republicans.

This "anybody but" stuff is just not for me. Different strokes for
different folks. I don't begrudge anyone an opposing point of view,
but don't begrudge me mine if I don't go along.

[mother earth]

126. Without election reform and a voting audit trail, I'm truly afraid

we are spoon fed every pResident. Why it would not be a priority to clean up those flippin machines before 2008 leads me to believe we are completely at the mercy of other powers. For that reason alone I refuse to be spoon fed Hillary.

We've completely lost the media and any semblance of true journalists like we had from the Watergate era. Our media is spoon feeding us who the winners are.

Kucinich is the most honest and most "for the people" candidate in a very, very long time, but we write him off because we deem him not able enough to win. Says who?

At this point in time I'm leaning towards Edwards and Kucinich, though I'd welcome Gore with open arms.

Enough with the Clintons & the Bushes! But is there really a bona fide vote in this country? That's the bigger question. Without that we will be presented with the biggest corporate enabler on the Dem side, since the country is fed up with repub rule, it's a no brainer.

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[onewholaughsatfools]

132. what would the proper word be

What would the proper word be robot, brainwashed, greedy, sneaky, follower, shallow, programmed, liar, thief, help me here if I didn't find the correct term. maybe not empty shell but full of shit....

[onewholaughsatfools]

131. well its good to see

Well it's good to see you have chosen your person for the 2008 election.I hope you are working for him and promoting his policies, I agree Hillary in not my choice, but have yet to fall into anyones pack at this point. Edwards seems to have the energy to get it done, and seems to me will be able to pull in the reagun dems from the south and a lot of republicans as well,( he has that sunday morning preacher look about him) So LBJ good luck with you and your selection, my question is this, if he does not win will you stand behind the democrat who is put forth even if it is Hillary, I am still debating that issue within my mind.

[LBJDemocrat]

144. It depends on how far to the right she drifts after

I can't say for sure. I just really can't stand her.

[smoogatz]

133. If October/November comes and goes and Al Gore's still not running

I'll settle on a second choice--and I mean settling, because none of the current contenders have Gore's experience, convictions, smarts or political chops, if you ask me.

[onewholaughsatfools]

134. Yes Al Gore is my choice

I agree Al Gore is the one to lead this country to where it needs to go, So that's another reason I have not gotten attached to anyone one at this time, I watch the debates, I listen carefully and I am not excited but October is the deadline to get involved.

[Raejeanowl]

136. Not Me

I disagree on the "inevitability" count, and I would not eliminate her from consideration. I'm not ready to eliminate or endorse anyone...yet. There's too much still to be learned about the candidates, and that includes much more telling information than the bios; for example, how dirty they play in order to win against presumably like-minded colleagues.

In Ms. Clinton's defense of her private spaces, I have some measure of sympathy and admiration for her years on the national stage under some extremely trying circumstances, including ongoing partisan attacks, the usual sexism, and an infamously philandering husband. I don't agree with her 100%, I (sadly) see her playing the big boys' game, I'm VERY uncomfortable about the potential loose cannon of the "First Gentleman," but I acknowledge what she's due.

[PatSeg]

150. I hate the "inevitability" mindset

A nominee is not inevitable unless he is current VP as a rule. The media is picking the candidates by focusing on the ones with the most money and/or star power. The polls at this early stage are basically meaningless as people aren't familiar with all the candidates. Howard Dean was "inevitable" when he dominated the press, but Iowa is not as gullible as the most of the country.

Hillary is not my choice, though I think she'd be a fairly good president. She has done very well in the debates, but I think we could do much, much better. One of the downsides of being a front runner is they are constantly in the limelight. The smallest mistake becomes "breaking news" in the MSM. Meanwhile, the little guys come up slowly from behind carrying a lot less baggage and they become the fresh new face!

[Geek_Girl]

137. I use to be pretty anti Hillary but I'm starting to like her more

I think I've always liked Hillary until the Iraq war. But it seems she is becoming committed to end the war which is basically what I want from my candidate.

[disndat]

140. I am praying

that Gore will run. Maybe taking money from Wall St. is 'politic real' but H.C. takes money from Rupert Murdoch who is keen on controlling communications in the Middle East as he did in China. Don't forget he put Tony Blair into the PM job and got to buy a few London newspapers and tv channels as a result. Hillary is already carrying water for Murdoch in her Senatorial position. Her mentioning of "national service" in the last debate, for all young people (but not a national draft? ) should have raised many eyebrows. I elected to the WH there is sure to be a permanent presence of U.S. troops in Iraq, as "peacekeepers." Sure to continue the endless war. No wonder Ed Koch, the Mideast hawk, jumped from the sinking Bush ship to hers.

[UrbScotty]

143. Well, Hillary and Biden. For the nomination.

If either gets the nomination I will support them. But if you're strictly talking about the Democratic nomination, you know where I stand on those two.

[PatSeg]

151. Biden is the most qualified

and if given more coverage, would be the most electable.

[IamyourTVandIownyou]

145. ABHRC

nt

[onehandle]

146. Whoever wins the nomination gets my vote in 2008. nt

[sandyj999]

167. Mine Also n/t

[BrightKnight]

147. no - n/t

[BeyondThePale]

148. um, no thanks...

I can't begin to count the things wrong with the original post...

[5446]

149. Anyone but.

This country deserves better than to keep electing the same two families over and over again.

[question everything]

152. Not I

I am not her supporter now and I do not believe in any "inevitability." Remember at this time four years ago Howard Dean was?

But if she is the nominee I will vote for her. I have no doubt that she will be a good president - and I have no problems with the rest of them.

Work for your candidate, but if Clinton is the nominee and you and others are staying at home, or voting for a Nader/Sheehan ticket, say good bye to any chances of moving the Supreme Court at least to the center.

You may loath the center, but the alternative is the right. You may consider yourself "pure" - my way or nothing - and if so, I hope that your side lose. I will make compromise to save the Supreme Court - this is the only issue.

[iamahaingttta]

153. I never have and never will vote for Hillary Clinton.

And she's one of my senators.

[northshore]

156. Unelectable

Regardless of what the brain trust says, she is unelectable.

[DeeDeeNY]

157. I can't figure out how it can be that Hillary is so polarizing and yet

she is leading so much in the polls. If everyone dislikes her, then are the polls all wrong?
I'm curious - what did Humphrey do in 1968?

[Exultant Democracy]

158. I don't have big problems with Hillary, but Obama and Edwards are both better

so I guess you can count me in.

The fact is Clinton's current lead is far more tenuous then people would assume from looking at the polling data. If you dig a little bit deeper and look at the demographics, trends and focus group testing it shows that once this race starts heating up and people start to tune into the debate and look at candidates postilions everything is going to change.

[shaniqua6392]

159. It is way too early for me to decide.

I like to learn more about all of the candidates first. I can not believe so many DU'ers have already made up their minds so firmly against Clinton though. It is obvious that this is not a good place to mention that you like anything about Clinton. I have been torched for mentioning her name in the past. I hope DU'ers are not becoming "sheeple for Obama". Let's listen and learn more before we just jump on any bandwagon IMHO.

[draft_mario_cuomo]

160. HRC and BO are like Pepsi and Coke. Why heavily prefer one over the other?

I slightly prefer HRC at this point over Obama (if we want the same thing why not go with the one with experience?) but would support Obama--and any of other candidates--in the GE.

[RaleighNCDUer]

161. I will certainly vote for her if she gets the nomination.

But the day she gets the nomination I will apply for my passport, because we will get 8 more years of Republican rule which I don't think the nation can survive.

[last_texas_dem]

162. Well, I agree with the idea of Edwards/Obama supporters

eventually uniting behind one or the other's candidacy if one of their candidacies seems to be totally faltering and Clinton looks to be running away with it. For me, it's nothing personal against Clinton; I just believe that in the end both Edwards and Obama would be stronger candidates than Clinton in the general election. Some polls back me up and others don't, but this really just comes down to my perception of how the different candidacies would play out against likely Republican candidates in the 2008 election.

As for the primary, I'll probably just vote my conscience, as my vote won't make a difference to the outcome anyway.

[roveyourboat]

163. where's the board? i'm on it!

& look, if she wins the nom, obviously i ain't voting republican

but come on... we can do better

[The Count]

164. Anyone but Edwards - at least Hillary is less hypocritical and won't start wars

as easily as Edwards seems to like to. That being said, I hope we do better than Hillary.

[broadcaster]

166. I much favor Edwards over Hillary.

Despite Edwards' wealth, he does understand what corporations are doing, why they
oppose middle class entitlements, and I think, as FDR did, he will chart a course
that will be beneficial to working people and those who need jobs.

I don't trust Hillary, and if Chertoff can have a 'gut feeling,' I can admit mine
relative to a Hillary Clinton presidency: secretive, war-supportive, and no desire
to relinquish the idea of unitary executive. Again, my 'gut feeling.'

[Catherine Vincent]

168. Edwards is too much of a pretty boy!

Support him all you want.

[BrightKnight]

183. He should mess up his hair and learn to talk like Bush. - n/t

[Caoimhe]

169. Hell no. I will vote for her if she is the nominee.. PERIOD

She'd have to kill Bill, Chelsea and Socks the Cat with a chainsaw for me to instead vote Repuke or 3rd party.

[Qutzupalotl]

171. If she's the nominee, sure I'd vote for her over the Republican in the general.

But in the primary, no way.

[quickesst]

170. I'll file the op...

under H, for horseshit, where it belongs. You don't vote for the Democratic nominee, then you put another vote in the repug"s pocket. This is so simple, it boggles an old construction workers mind that seemingly intelligent people cannot grasp the concept. Clinton, if the nominee, will probably win, if the Democrats don't stop her. Thanks.
quickesst

[recovering democrat]

172. Not on board

I will vote for whatever candidate becomes the Democratic nominee for the Presidency. I am presently undecided as to who I will support in the primary but I am not ready to damage Clinton any more than I am any other candidate including Edwards or Obama. Our most important mission is to get A DEMOCRAT elected to the Presidency instead of a Republican.

[Pab Sungenis]

173. I'm on board.

[bluedog]

175. Nope.........may the best person win

[Major Hogwash]

176. 20 years of Bush or Clinton in the White House is enough for me.

Thank you, but I don't think this country should be run by just 2 families.

[EndElectoral]

180. I don't know...she certainly does not represent a Progressive agenda

[Old and In the Way]

181. If she's the choice, I'll do whatever I can to get her elected.

As an Edwards supporter, why not talk up your candidate instead of talking down the other candidates?

[lesab]

182. I just don't think I can......

I will have to search my soul long and hard before I could vote for her. I hope to God that I won't be put through that ordeal though. I am praying that any other candidate wins the primary. I don't think I can vote for a war loving, pandering, DLC member like her. I am an AL GORE groupy and I just keep hoping and praying that HLC is not the nominee. If Al doesn't run, I will choose the someone (ABH)that is closest to my positions on issues in the general and wait and see about the primary. My conscious may keep me from voting (D) this time. (I) may be my only option as a voter with a conscious.

And I know that I will be attacked for my opinion, but I hate to tell you all this, but I am close to being (I) anyway. I don't see a lot of difference between (D) and (R) these days and the reason that I am a (D) is because I loved Howard Dean and I also happen to love Al Gore. I am one of the New Democrats who was hoping for change. See where that got me! Right now it a Dem without a candidate.

Please run AL!

[TheWebHead]

184. I think it will play out Hillary or anybody but Hillary

and I'm guessing the right will end up likewise with Rudy and anybody but Rudy... Let's face it, the base doesn't like Hillary. You see it all the time listening to liberal talk radio. I just don't see supporters of Kucinich, Edwards, Richardson, etc. will stick with their guy and let Hillary divide & conquer as the DLC establishment selection. If things stand as they are now, I believe those supporters will shift to Obama. This will depend on Hillary having a support ceiling in the high 30s low 40s... if she breaks above that by year's end, she's probably unstoppable.

[The Sushi Bandit]

185. Im there!

[newspeak]

186. I suppose the media will be doing the choosing without our input

:eyes: Everyone knows that Gore is a liar--I mean the media said it over and over again, night after night. And, * is just a good ol boy cowboy that everyone would love to have a drink with, just ask the journalists following his campaign--that alleged insider trading, DUI, military record-well, there's nothing to see, so move on. Cause, gee, Gore is a liar and that's all that counts. And, you know that Dean, he's downright crazy, doing all that nutty screaming-you wouldn't want him for a president, would you? I mean, those guys on TV told me he was a crazy man screaming--then, there's Kerry-you know those Purple Hearts aren't real-nope he just had a scratch and he lied about his service--he's just another chicken, not like * who proudly strode on the carrier, looking so manly that I just about swooned.:love ya: All the talking heads were oohing and aahing about what a manly man he was and what a fantastic physique. Well, my heart just palpitated with attraction seeing him, cause that's what they said I should feel looking at such a manly stud. And, you know, it's only fair, as being fair and balanced, that we give equal or more time to those Swift Boat liars. Now, I know it's early in the game, but looking who has more access to the media, I'd say the media wants us to vote for Hillary or Obama--just a thought. But, I ain't biting. I'll wait to see if the American people still buy what the corporate sucking media is selling.

Time will tell.

[PATRICK]

187. Disagree with the proposition

If you are saying boards like ours should mobilize with the candidate that best moves forward a progressive agenda and critical issues, fine. That may be saying the same thing in a different way but the endgame of the primary season, regardless how satisfactory or even fair it is, is to back the choice of our voters. This antagonistic proposition is unnecessary and creates a blackmail or spiteful position against the dem voters themselves, however we may judge their judgment or what they have they been exposed to.

There are a bunch of these wild proposals that deal with crazy hypothetical. Edwards or Obama may back someone if they get forced out. In the flurry of quick primaries that won't come before the game is essentially over anyway, unless it gets really interesting. meanwhile the real dithering is being done by progressives who, though well informed by contrast with the average dem voter, can't make up their mind to further their own goals, get easily soured on ANYONE and even soured on their own guy if the polls don't wave palm branches in front of the parade. Ask the diehard Kerry supporters who gave up on their guy at his lowest point- when solid wisdom and trust in his quality warned otherwise.

We can do better than this. And if this highlights our failure to get our relatively informed and committed act together how can expect to consider our opinions to shape up better than the larger electorate?

In our present national and party peril there is territory where the border crossings are important. Disagreements with, and critiques of, Clinton should lead us to support the strongest alternative that represents our best values and judgments. Otherwise, if she is elected, our next concern is to move her(or anyone else for that matter) toward our goals- substantively. I can imagine a lot of heat and rantings that do not trespass into this fear inspired attack dog mode that will only strengthen the GOP and weaken the progressive, populist cause.

I understand, but this is over the line and the fear factor seems stronger than concerned zeal. BTW this kind of unworkable truce would serve to keep both candidates in, the progressives split, and guarantee the success of what is stated to be the biggest fear.

[krabigirl]

191. I don't like Obama or Clinton. Prefer Bill Richardson or anyone else.