The Hillary inevitability meme is getting on my nerves

[rhombus]

I feel like I'm being force-fed a daily onslaught of Hillary's coronation. The establishment has ganged up against Obama and Edwards. Dianne Feinstein endorsing Hillary today was the last straw for me.:(

[Purveyor]

1. Indeed. They ought be careful before they 'poison the well'... n/t

[roguevalley]

24. I agree. I am worn out with the length of this process. it makes me

tired of every single one of them.

[MannyGoldstein]

2. Then Come Over To The Triangular Side

You will be so happy... so peaceful...

Seriously, Feinstein also voted for the Iraq War - she's probably trying to convince herself that does not make her a pariah. But it should.

If you buy into the HillShill "Resistance is futile" crap, then they win.

[bvar22]

47. Way more than just "voted for the War"...

DiFi is raking in $MILLIONS in War Profiteering from the debacle in Iraq...She is also a strong partisan voice for Israel/AIPAC.
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2003/04/22/MN310531.DTL

Hillary has assured the MIC/Global Corps/AIPAC that she will keep the WAR ON in Iraq for YEARS, and possibly widen it to Iran.

The LAST thing DiFi wants is PEACE in Iraq.
Of Course DiFi endorses Hillary.
It means MILLIONS for DiFi.

I always get Diane Feinstein (D?-Ca) and Kay Bailey Hutchinson (R-Texass) mixxed up.

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HA! Trick question!
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[Atman]

3. I told you this two years ago.

As did many others. Well, not YOU specifically. But I've been telling anyone who'd listen but very few would listen.

The American public has no say in the actual selection of our "candidates." It is all determined by "powers that be," and by extension the MEDIA.

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[Just-plain-Kathy]

9. Atman, I've heard this for years...I’m finally seeing the light.

Campaigning for money that eventually gets filtered to the media for advertising...it’s all bull. The media will tell us who to vote for, or it will give us enough stories that will make it easier for us to swallow the outcome of “the election”.

A few months ago Tucker Carlson was saying how the neo-cons want Jeb Bush to run. Could you imagine?

[Atman]

15. A cry for help...it's SUPER AL

We can only hope...

(an Atman original)



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[Blue Belle]

18. I love it!

It's even better that it's an internet cafe rather than a phone booth! :)

[AndyTiedye]

26. THAT'S GREAT!!

[Usrename]

29. Haha!

SurreAl SuperAl

[nancyr]

19. I agree with you.

My sentiments exactly.

[The River]

4. I've Tuned Her Out

Maybe Hillary and Obama will beat each other
to a pulp and allow the "second tier" candidates
to get their messages out.
Junior Senators don't do well in Presidential elections.
Governors and ex VP's do ;-)

[Sarah Ibarruri]

5. Yes... I find the same thing.

I think the Republicans want Senator Clinton to run. Republicans know how incredibly sexist this country is, and that only by having a woman run, will they (Republicans) win.

[Atman]

12. She is the easiest candidate to "Swiftboat."

Even Kucinich couldn't be slammed as hard as Clinton. She's poison. Gosh, we've been saying this for years, and been getting flamed for it even on DU. Er...especially on DU? Hillary Clinton is poison. She is exactly what the GOP has been waiting for, as they've invested every ounce of their being in defeating her since January 20, 2001.

A Hillary Clinton candidacy is a GOP wet dream. Good on 'em. At least they don't have to pay a teenaged male prostitute for the wet spot.

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[Sarah Ibarruri]

14. EXACTLY. The Repugnicans want Senator Clinton to run so badly....

That if she got out of the contest, Rove himself would become a fundraiser for her.

[wisteria]

43. Senator Kerry was swiftboated- meaning he was the victim of lies and unfair personal attacks

Perhaps, Senator Clinton would be an easier target for political attacks, but the Clinton's both have enough of a questionable history that the attacks do not necessary need to be based on lies or even be unsubstantiated. So I don't think she would be swiftboated, but besieged with accusations about the past and have to continually defend herself. Not a good position to be in if you are trying to get a message out and win over voters.

The word swiftboat when used as a verb against a person refers to deceitful,unsubstantiated, untruthful and unfair personal attacks.

[Just-plain-Kathy]

51. Good point wisteria... n/t

[Yukari Yakumo]

44. Bullshit.

What skeletons does she have left? She's almost swiftboat-proof. And unlike Kerry, she has the sense to fight back.

As for Kucinich... Department of Peace. 'Nuff said.

[RaleighNCDUer]

48. Maybe you don't get the concept of "fiction".

They can, and will, make ANYTHING up. Swiftboating is NOT about digging up skeletons; it is about creating flesh to cover an imaginary skeleton. Things we thought long since settled will be dredged out and broadcast, and entirely new fictions will be invented and tagged to this or that obscure statement which will be believed by the 45% who would see their own mothers burn in hell before they'd ever vote for Hillary, and each slander and accusation will have to be confronted and dealt with because each will have the potential of chipping away at that 6% that would give her a majority.

And those fictions will fly so fast and furious that there is no way that she will be able to counter them all. It doesn't matter that they are all lies. All her attention will be focused on being on the defensive, running damage control. Meanwhile, her opponant will be putting out nice, cautious, "we're all in this together" messages that will not scare the indies. With the solid anti-Clinton 45% already in their pocket, they only need to convice 6% that she is more dangerous to the nation than whoever their candidate is. Six percent. Six fucking percent.

If she's nominated, we're toast.

[Just-plain-Kathy]

21. If Hillary lost her election in ‘06, she could have never been our front runner.

As a New Yorker I saw first hand how the republicans handed Hillary her second term as senator.

The GOP made no effort to unseat her. I can’t even remember the name of the candidate who went up against her. Her opponent hardly (if at all) advertised. ...It’s like the powers-that-be want Hillary to be our nominee. ....Either they know she can’t possible win...or her being president is part of the master plan.

I wish I knew for sure...I know Bill enacted the Iraq Liberation Act in 1998...John Edwards revealed during one of the debates that the Clintons were the “past administration” that advised him to sign the IWR. ....There are too many unanswered questions as to why such a “polarizing” figure could be our front runner.

...I’d like to start clean...No more Bushes, no more Clintons.

[bluestateguy]

6. Nonetheless, she can only win the nomination if Democrats vote for her in the primaries

That's how the system has worked since 1972. If she wins the nomination it will only be because Democrats chose to vote for her.

[RaleighNCDUer]

39. Democrats, and independents, where allowed, and republicans

who switch registration for the primaries.

[aquart]

7. Do you still have your vote? Use it.

Don't let anybody tell you who to vote for in the primary. That's YOUR choice. They can talk your ears off and you can still laugh at them. As long as you vote.

In the general, Democrats vote the Democratic majority's choice. But the majority is counted one vote at a time in the primaries.

[illinoisprogressive]

8. I have long been sick of the clintons. the media and establishment obsession...

and yes, they are running down Obama to defuse his threat to the establishment's corporaate coronation.

[obnoxiousdrunk]

55. Oh now you're

making up stuff.

[jillan]

10. What can we do about it?

Seriously - I started another thread with almost the same message.

I support Biden. I sent Matthews emails everyday for a week with stories about Biden, just to see if i could
get him to mention him ONCE. Nope. all Hillary all of the time.

I feel like she is going to win just because the media is telling people that.
Don't get me wrong, we could do alot worse than Hillary.
It has just hit a nerve with me this week.
The focus groups all put her at #4 in the debate on Monday. Yet, she won the debate ?
CNN even went so far as to say she won the best body language of the night! The Hillary I saw
had a scorn on her face whenever Obama was talking.

I'm ranting. Sorry.

[RBInMaine]

20. Focus groups ARE NOT a representative sample!

Focus groups don't mean a whole lot. They are not scientific, representative samples of voters. In '04 Democratic focus groups in Ohio said they didn't want Kerry to "bash" Bush and the fools running his campaign actually listened to them, ran a wimpy convention and campaign, and got slammed and swiftboated to their electoral peril. AINT GONNA HAPPEN THIS TIME!! If Hillary is nominated she'll have Bill, Carville, and Begala among others. A damn good team who will set up a campaign war room and hammer away at the Rethugs but good. Of course, the Hillary team knows the attacks are already coming. If she's nominate, I say BRING IT ON! She is tough and will go on OFFENSE! They'll stick Bush to the Rethug nominee like superglue and tie the Iraq war debacle around his neck like an anchor!
Again, don't bank anything on focus groups. They don't mean much.

[RaleighNCDUer]

30. And where were Carville and Begala in the 04 campaign?

Oh. That's right. They were leading the charge against Dean.

[journalist3072]

11. Oh good grief. The media is not trying to coronate Hillary Clinton.

I've read articles in the MSM which have talked about while Clinton continues to lead in national polling, Obama leads in the $$$$$$ chase. When the MSM talks about Obama, they talk of him being on the same playing field with Clinton, and with an equal shot at the nomination.

I think the media, as well as the rest of America, knows the nomination has not been decided yet; before the first vote has been cast.

It would be nice to see some original thinking here on DU, outside of the usual talking points: Hillary is a corporatist, DLC-loving, war-mongering, flip-flopper who's only riding her husband's coattails.

[Atman]

13. Yes, it would be nice to see some original thinking here on DU

But your post will suffice in the meantime.

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[journalist3072]

25. Based on the posts I see here on Free Republic-light every day

My post was original thinking.

[dugggy]

28. So, Obama got big $$$ from Wall Street! And that is a good thing??

I had no idea it is good thing to be in the pocket of big
donors from Wall Street. I would have preferred Howard Dean
type fund raising from little folks. Now THAT is something to
be proud of.

[RaleighNCDUer]

33. Actually, Obama is raising more money, but it is from far more

sources - IOW, he's NOT getting the corporate money that Hillary is getting, but drawing a lot more grassroots money. So she's higher in the polls, because of name recognition and nostalgia for Bill, but Obama actually has greater support - and as we move closer to the primaries we will see that.

[dugggy]

46. Dream on.....

A 2 year senator, no executive experience, no white house experience, never ran a business, muslim father, middle name is muslim, etc etc is gonna beat out Hillary?

Like I said dream on. Obama is unelectable in 2008.

[bleever]

16. I hear this meme from Newt Gingrich and similar luminaries.

Maybe she'll be the nominee, but I'd like the process to decide.

[snowbear]

56. That's what they're counting on.

As well as the MSM. God bless us all if it happens.

[Blue Belle]

17. Meh...

We still have a long campaign to live through before anyone is coronated.

[caligirl]

22. I had that same feeling a few months ago when she first started campaigning.

It was a real turn off.

[politicasista]

23. The cockiness of her supporters is a turnoff

which is unfortunate. flame away.

[emilyg]

37. Obviously you skipped

all the Obama threads. Too bad.

[ronnykmarshall]

49. You said a mouth full!

[politicasista]

53. delete dupe n/t

[politicasista]

54. No, I didn't skip any Obama threads.

I have noticed.

I would like to support Hillary, but talking down to people that don't have candidates yet isn't going to help her. Sorry.

[dugggy]

27. Get used to it, HRC will be the dem nominee by landslide

and the main reason being, she does her homework before
every debate, and has the most polished delivery. She does
not shoot from the hip and is very unlikely to make a gaffe.

In comparison, Obama comes across as a 3rd grade teacher and
Edwards comes across as a slick car salesman. Voters will go
for HRC in big numbers.

[jillan]

31. You know what Duggy? There's that cocky attitude that Politcasista just mentioned.

Yeah - she's polished alright - just like a robot.

[Gelliebeans]

42. or a turd

:hide:

[politicasista]

32. Yep. She is the PERFECT candidate

Really. She is everything people say they want.

[Bullet1987]

34. You mean the Dems want Bush-lite?

Or Bush in a dress?

[RaleighNCDUer]

35. Yep. Everything to everybody.

Eventually, people will figure out that means nothing to anybody.

[jillan]

38. Who are you liking these days?

I take it it's not Hillary.

Actually I did like her until this week. Same with Obama. Arrogance turns me off.

[politicasista]

52. I thought it would be Obama, but I am holding out for Gore,

although I know he doesn't want to run. In a way, I can't blame him. He seems very happy with his life now. :(

[sueh]

36. Umm, has Hillary made her official announcement, yet?

After all, her web site still says:

"Paid for by Hillary Clinton for President Exploratory Committee"

[Jim Sagle]

40. Pppppfffffbbbbbbtttttt!!!!!!!

[ShortnFiery]

41. Get used to it, the DLC's darling loses a 3rd Presidential Election, this time by a landslide. nt

[ronnykmarshall]

50. 3rd election?

Which ones?

Oh by the way ..... didn't you say that the DLC lost THREE elections in a ROW a while back? And how did you explain that pearl of wisdom.

[sampsonblk]

45. Ganging up? On Edwards and Obama? For WHAT?

Look at the polls closely. The people who are for her don't have any reason. If you're looking for issues, forget it. Its not about issues or positions. Its really about having her in the White House. People are just plain for it.

If all the candidates were equally well known, we'd have a campaign. But this is like re-electing Bill Clinton. How are Edwards and Obama going to compete with that?