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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 11:08 AM
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" Obama, Supporters Seek To Redefine “Foreign Policy.”"
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Democratic Presidential contender Barack Obama, still hurting from the whacking Sen Clinton and the media have given him over his national security gaffe in Monday night’s debate, issued a press release today claiming he is the most qualified of all the candidates on foreign policy.

Counting all Democrats and Republicans running for President, Obama said:

“Look, one thing I’m very confident about is my judgment in foreign policy is, I believe, better than anyone else in this race, Republican or Democrat. And I don’t base that simply on the fact that I was right on the war in Iraq. But if you look at how I approached the problem. What I was drawing on was a set of experiences that come from a life of living overseas, having family overseas, being able to see the world through the eyes of people outside our borders.”


So Obama feels he has better foreign policy judgement, more than anyone else in the presidential race, because he wasn’t in the Senate to actually vote on the Iraq War and he lived in Indonesia for four years starting when he was 10 years old? Tell that to Sen. Hillary Clinton ☼, who rubbed elbows with world leaders for eight years as first lady and currently sits on the Senate Armed Services Committee as well as committees on Emerging Threats and Capabilities, and on Readiness and Management Support.

Obama should also flash those dubious foreign policy credentials to Sen. Joseph Biden ☼, who is the Chairman of the U.S. Senate Committee on Foreign Relations and sits on the subcommittee on Technology Terrorism and Homeland Security. Biden also led efforts to combat hostilities in the Balkans in the 1990s, traveling there on numerous occasions and arguing for war crimes investigations and NATO air strikes. In fact, his “lift and strike” resolution helped convince President Clinton to take action against human rights violations there.

Would Obama have the audacity to say he is more qualified than Sen. John McCain ☼, a decorated war veteran who spent five years in a Viet Nam POW camp and later won a Silver Star, a Bronze Star, the Legion of Merit, the Purple Heart, and a Distinguished Flying Cross before becoming the Navy’s liaison to the Senate in 1976?

Sen. Obama ☼ should tell New Mexico governor Bill Richardson his foreign policy judgement doesn’t measure up to his. A former Ambassador to the United Nations and staff member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, Richardson was elected to congress in 1982 and kept his keen interest in foreign policy, traveling to Nicaragua, Guatemala, Cuba, Peru, India, North Korea, Bangladesh, Nigeria, and Sudan to represent U.S. interests.

Richardson also successfully negotiated the release of American prisoners from Sudan, North Korea, and Iraq.

As Ambassador to the United Nations, Richardson represented the United States in UN proceedings regarding Palestine and the State of Israel.

Finally, just last January, he brokered a 60-day cease fire between al-Bashir and leaders of several rebel factions in Darfur.

So, Sen. Obama, who is the most qualified in the field of presidential candidates on foreign policy? Take your pick, but it certainly is not you. And all the spin from you and your supporters in the netroots, all of the revising of what foreign policy experiences means, will not alter that fact.

Sen. Obama, you’ve become product of your PR machine. You’re now actually believing your own hype and the hype of the chattering bloggers like Atrios who has followed your silly claim with an equally ludicrous one that the foreign policy establishment’s parameters of what constitutes experience have “little relationship to reality.” To you, this blogger, and most certainly others like him, avoiding a senate vote on Iraq and living overseas when you were a kid trumps military service, real diplomatic missions, and relationships with world leaders.

Who, Sen. Obama, has “little relationship to reality?”

In an age when calls for apologies follow fits of fake outrage, I’m always hesitant to call on anyone to express regret for words or deeds. But you, Sen. Obama, owe an apology to at least four presidential contenders whose foreign policy experience so surpasses yours it give new meaning to the title “freshman” in “freshman Senator.”

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Dawgs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 11:17 AM
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1. Hillary supporters are just fine and dandy with her "foreign policy".
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 11:21 AM
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3. As does Ambassador Joe Wilson, Admiral Joe Sestak, Lt. Gen Claudia Kennedy...
Anti-War Rep. Jim McGovern...among many many others
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 11:18 AM
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2. To me this whole episode is about "FAKE OUTRAGE" drummed up by the media
Richardson clearly has the most foreign policy experience.

As to the top three, they are all in the same boat, so I feel this is a tempest in a teapot.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 11:29 AM
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4. If only Obama had a credential or two to show for all his foreign policy experience...
I'm not counting his childhood spent in Indonesia as a credential for Foreign policy experience as Obama claims.
However, I will label his experience for what it was; a childhood experience as an American X-Patriot living abroad.
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Ethelk2044 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 11:34 AM
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7. Hillary does not have any
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draft_mario_cuomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 02:13 PM
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21. Surely you jest nt
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 11:36 AM
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9. As long as he doesn't appoint Dr. Condi Rice as Sec of State, I am happy. . .
(I don't have a horse in this race yet, but any of the Dems have enough smarts to put in a competent Secretary of State)
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 11:48 AM
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11. Obama supported the Nom of Condi Rice..
I'm ok with that IF he thinks it will help him... :crazy:
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 12:00 PM
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13. False analogy -- There is a difference between appointing a Cabinet Secretary and allowing a Preside
Edited on Thu Jul-26-07 12:00 PM by emulatorloo
President to have the cabinet secs he or she wants.

The long tradition has been for congress to allow a President to have the Cabinet Secretaries he/she wants to have.

You or I may not like it, but that's the tradition (and like many another one that Bush abused).

I may be wrong but I seriously doubt that Obama ever made glowing statements about Condi Rice.
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draft_mario_cuomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 02:15 PM
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22. Voted for Rice and gets advice from Colin Powell?
:puke:
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SoxFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 12:08 PM
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14. Non-proliferation doesn't count?
Obama has been the strongest voice in the senate on reining in the proliferation not only of nuclear, biological, and chemical weapons, but also conventional weapons such as shoulder-launched missiles, rocket launchers, etc. He has partnered up with Sen. Dick Lugar on this front, and has won praise from all parts of the political spectrum for his efforts.

What is Hillary's defining issue on foreign policy?
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 02:32 PM
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24. It's all stated clearly in the OP...
Hillary is aware of diplomatic protocols and why she didn't flub Cooper's answer as Obama did. Actually, Obama has very little knowledge of presidential history and for that matter US History. I find that a bit disturbing.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 02:34 PM
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25. latching on to a seasoned senator?
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 03:13 PM
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27. She bravely left the decision to invade Iraq up to Bush.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 03:15 PM
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28. ...and Obama, who wasn't in the senate, had to have his arm twisted to speak out against the war
..but, once in the senate, he bravely voted for every pro-Iraq war bill.
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 03:18 PM
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29. Yes, what a coward that Obama. Speaking out against the war when it was still popular.
His cowardice knows no bounds compared to Clinton's superior judgment and courage.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 03:20 PM
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30. ...to curry political favor with a big money donor.
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Windy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 11:32 AM
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5. I really think the Hillary camp should let this drop
I watched her rep Ann Lewis on CNN this morning. She sounded like a member of the Bush administration.

Hillary is just fueling the fire of those who think that she triangulates. She is taking things out of context and using them to attack her opponent. She doesn't look too presidential, unless you like politics as usual.

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Ethelk2044 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 11:36 AM
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8. It is okay. She will turn off even more supporters.
I am fine with that the more the merrier
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 11:55 AM
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12. Look,I'm tired of giving Obama passes. He's got to grow up..
if he expects to be taken seriously as a presidential contender.

For goodness sakes, Obama can't even muster a good defense to counter Hillary with..

I have a defense in mind for him , that would make this all go away. But I'm not going to put it down here because he's got a team around him that should be doing that for him or he should be doing it himself. I will put it down as soon as this all blows over. He could have avoided all this controversy, if he knew his US (Political) History.
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Windy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 12:55 PM
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16. Frankly, I think his defense has been appropriate.
Hillary is not coming out on top on this one.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 01:37 PM
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18. Obama's defense is "off" point..and nothing new..
which I suppose is good in a way. What it shows is, Obama's bag of tricks is empty!

Hillary can take him out any time, but why should she, when he's doing such a good job himself!
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 01:12 PM
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17. Obama's camp is not dropping it.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 01:47 PM
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19. I said it last week...BRING IT!
If Obama feels he wants to pursue this...Letem'

Alls I see is disaster for him, if he hasn't learned anything by now.
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Bullet1987 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 02:19 PM
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23. No...Obama's camp is using the opening Hillary gave them
by calling him irresponsible and naive.
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JohnnyLib2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 11:34 AM
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6. We have a president now who had limited experience and a cocksure attitude.


This insight into the attractive Obama scares me. Minus points.
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 11:37 AM
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10. see my post #9 n/t
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Scriptor Ignotus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 12:26 PM
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15. I think I can explain this to you
Obama was talking about having better "judgment" in the context of foreign policy. Obama correctly predicted EXACTLY what would happen to us if we invaded Iraq in 2002. His judgment was sound and his words prophetic. You should know the speech I'm referring to here.

Clinton, on the other hand, did not ask the hard questions about Iraq before or during the invasion. She did not ask about an exit plan, to my knowledge. She showed, yes, poor judgment. Or she was fooled by one of the dimmest bulbs to ever grace the world stage. Either way it shows poor judgment on her part. Same for Edwards, although he later recanted.

I would not argue that Obama's EXPERIENCE is better than anyone else's. Clinton's is better and Richardson's is certainly the best. This is something I hope Obama does not try and argue, because he frankly can't win that debate. But he isn't making this point and I think his critics are being disingenuous trying to say he is.

After all, who had better foreign policy experience than Cheney and Rumsfeld? How'd that work out for us? I'll take the candidate with better judgment, thanks.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 01:50 PM
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20. Funny thing everyone forgets...
Hillary floor statement has many caveats in it. Basically she wanted Bush to wait until the UN Inspectors were done with their inspections. The fact of the matter is, Bush rolled over everyone and preemptively attacked Iraq. But everyone knows this except Obama supporters.
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 03:09 PM
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26. Her floor statement doesn't mention the aftermath of an invasion
She wanted Bush to go to the UN to get international legitimacy and more allies on our side. He did. Then he cut short inspections and invaded. Something Hillary didn't protest.
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Scriptor Ignotus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 04:00 PM
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31. she didn't want him to use force
but she voted to let him use force. How do you justify that?
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Windy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 05:53 PM
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32. He can't,.... he's falling for the Hillary soundbite... or should I say talking points
just the the rightwing falls for Bush's...
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