Obama SmackDown Series: Hillary Clinton Flips on diplomacy

[Ethelk2044]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyqAR4lJCmw&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Emydd%2Ecom%2Fstory%2F2007%2F7%2F26%2F16522%2F3938

[SaveElmer]

1. And the Lie continues...nt

[bonito]

19. That's your come back?

Give it up you've been unmasked for some time now.

[SaveElmer]

23. It says it all...

Unmasked as what...?

[GodHelpUsAll2]

2. Man

You are all over the place with the Hillary propaganda. You on a mission?

[Ethelk2044]

4. No propaganda. Facts

It is her own words. If she did not mean them, she should not have spoken them.

[ShortnFiery]

3. Yes! Go Obama!!!

Sweet. :-)

[illinoisprogressive]

5. Powerful stuff. excellent. And it shows a few of Hillary's flippings

[aquart]

6. Obama charms me less and less every damn day.

[Bullet1987]

9. Why are you giving Hillary the benefit of the doubt when she started this

argument? Obama was just replying to what she said to him.

[Ethelk2044]

11. I know it hurts when we are hit with the truth face to face.

It is even worst when it is in your own words on video. It is like you are standing in front of of Mirror.

[illinoisprogressive]

7. that may be how you feel art, but, I love this video.

[sandnsea]

8. That sums it up, "stay the course"

She is all over the place. And I thought she had said "stay the course". I think I'll just cut that little clip out and post it on a daily basis.

And there wasn't a thing in the world wrong with what Obama said. She concoted this controversy out of thin air.

This video is the kind of bullshit this country will be mired in for 8 more years with these triangulators back in the White House.

[Hieronymus]

10. Maybe Hillary and Obama will burn out and leave Edwards on top.

[Skip Intro]

12. bullshit. this is so disingenuous. This video makes me really wonder about Obama.

They cut the beginning of Obama's answer, where he said yes, he would, without precondition, promise to meet with all the listed leaders, in his first year. It was a juvenile answer which he backtracked from the next day. "The notion" that he meant what he said, according to his revision, right there in that video, is "ridiculous." about 4:30 or so into the video.


This is bush/cheney-lite type spin. I don't like it from them or our side. How hypocritical is it to accuse someone of something in which you yourself are engaged?

[Ethelk2044]

13. No, it shows Hillary for what she is.

[sandnsea]

14. Frankly, "stay the course" says it all

She is a lying manipulator who was the architect of the Dem strategy on that war and has absolutely no fucking business being our nominee. To the current point, she either stands by her change in diplomacy that matches Obama; or she intends to maintain the bullying Bush foreign policy just like she maintained the Bush "stay the course" bullshit for far far too long. She can't have it both ways.

[Skip Intro]

17. Agree with much of what you say, that is a point. But this video, and a lot of criticism

from Obama supporters here, is not truthful.

I've seen it claimed over and over here that Hillary said she would not meet with certain leaders, when she did not. And for Obama to say that the "notion" that he wouldn't engage certain diplomatic channels before meeting with these people is "rediculous" - sheesh.

People got that notion because that's wtf he said!

Of course, you wouldn't know it from this video, they cut that part out.

[sandnsea]

25. Too bad for Hillary

She shouldn't have mischaracterized what Obama said. Whaaa.

I know what the man said, I watched it as it happened. I also watched Hillary let her warhawk out. So now she has to deal with it. What is she. "Stay the Course" - or agent of diplomacy and change.

[Dawgs]

32. Obama's actual response.

Here is what he actually said (since you seem to be afraid to post it):

"I would. And the reason is this, that the notion that somehow not talking to countries is punishment to them -- which has been the guiding diplomatic principle of this administration -- is ridiculous. Now, Ronald Reagan and Democratic presidents like JFK constantly spoke to Soviet Union at a time when Ronald Reagan called them an evil empire. And the reason is because they understood that we may not trust them and they may pose an extraordinary danger to this country, but we had the obligation to find areas where we can potentially move forward."

Nowhere does he say 'in the first year without pre-condition'. And you're accusing Obama supporters of misleading.

[Skip Intro]

38. The question that he answered, "I would" to said, "first year...no precondition."

Yeah, I'm accusing whoever made this video to be misleading. He did agree to meet with all of those leaders the first year, without precondition, until the next day, when he adopted a stance almost identical to Hillary's.


There is a reason you don't see the begining of his answer in that video. There is a reason it was edited out. It didn't just happen, it was a decision to try to walk away from his own words.

[Dawgs]

31. So, you attack them for leaving out Obama's response yet you get it so wrong in your post.

He never said precondition in his first year. That was a how the question was phrased. It's clear, if you actually listened to the debate, that he was not answering that part of the question.

[Skip Intro]

37. Wrong. Transcript below:

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QUESTION: In 1982, Anwar Sadat traveled to Israel, a trip that resulted in a peace agreement that has lasted ever since.

In the spirit of that type of bold leadership, would you be willing to meet separately, without precondition, during the first year of your administration, in Washington or anywhere else, with the leaders of Iran, Syria, Venezuela, Cuba and North Korea, in order to bridge the gap that divides our countries?

COOPER: I should also point out that Stephen is in the crowd tonight.

Senator Obama?

OBAMA: I would. And the reason is this, that the notion that somehow not talking to countries is punishment to them -- which has been the guiding diplomatic principle of this administration -- is ridiculous.

(there is more to his answer, but this is the part cut out of the video)
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If you say to someone, "its hot," and they say, "yes it is," have they not said its hot?

Why did they leave the first part of Obama's answer out of the video? Its pretty clear to me. He's hiding from his own words and in a dishonest way. If it were Hillary, I'd say the same.

[NOVA_Dem]

15. And that is Hillary in a nutshell...expediency

IMO, she doesn't know what she believes. She'll take the position that she thinks will get her to the WH. That's why she voted for the IWR and that's why she didn't jump off the bandwagon until she realized it was going downhill.

She thought she saw an opportunity to make Obama look weak and she said something she may or may not believe but she did it to contrast w/ Obama. Now, Obama's oppo research is going to pick up on all those clips and show them on the Sunday talk shows.

[Dhalgren]

16. I do not support either Senator, but in this particular case

Obama is right and Clinton is wrong. Regardless of any flip-flop on Senator Clinton's part, the idea that meeting with other world leaders - even those who oppose us in some way - is a "bad idea" or might serve some sort of "propaganda" purpose is very strange thinking...

[SaveElmer]

22. Which proves you are not listening...

As Hillary said nothing of the kind...

[sandnsea]

26. Well actually, yes she did

"But I don't want to see the power and prestige of the United States President put at risk by rushing into meetings with the likes of Chavez, and Castro, and Ahmadinejad."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/steve-clemons/hillary-clinton-needs-to-_b_58051.html

She's afraid these two-bit despots can actually do something to the prestige of the US Presidency.

:rofl:

[Middle finga]

18. I bet Hillary will think next time before she pick a fight with Obama

It's not a good look for her, she's looking like Romney

[Imagevision]

20. Poor Hillary I believe it's unconscionable being compared to Bush & Cheney when

it comes to putting a time limit on speaking to other country leaders. Heavy sigh, Idon't know what else to say but I am impressed with Obama's stance on how to deal with other leaders. Obama I believe is a natural born leader.

[Colobo]

21. Beautiful, Ethelk. Beautiful.

[TeamJordan23]

24. Wow, this is great Ethelk, good job. nm

[Kingstree]

27. Any more questions?

What a hypocrite and flip flopper. She can' even keep her stories straight.

[alteredstate]

28. k & r n/t

[Kingstree]

29. Hillary's not Bush/Chaney lite, she is Bush/Chaney regular!

Busted!!!! :nuke:

[farmboxer]

30. I have never seen so much hate for Hillary, not even by

Neocons! I assume that those who are supporting Obama will vote Republican if she gets the nomination. I was trying to be neutral, but with all the hate it is just terrible. Fox news is bad enough!

[Dawgs]

33. I don't hate her, and she's not nearly as bad as the best Republican, but...

I will never support anyone that voted for the Iraq war and does not apologize for it. As far as I can tell, she stands by her vote, and that's enough for me to try and get someone else elected.

[karynnj]

35. As a supporter of no one for President, the level of nastiness really shocks me

Both Hillary and Obama are not acting up to their best virtues.

Hillary really did start this - latching onto a pretty non-destript Obama answer - stating that because he listed no preliminary actions there would be none.

Obama, who should have simply reiterated his cup of coffee comment in a pleasant way was goaded into overkill, which was
likely Hillary's goal.

[Ethelk2044]

36. Obama handled himself well. He should not have allowed her to get away with it.

He has passed up her comments in the pass. However, her comment the other day was unwarranted. Therefore, he had a right to go after her.

[karynnj]

39. He had no choice but to go after her

My concern was that it might appear to hard.

I do think on the other side Hillary risks having supporters of candidates that she knives in the back, seriously upset contemplating not voting for the Democratic candidate for the first time in their life or voting for her while strongly disliking her. (In the past, I've voted for candidates that I was unenthusiastic about - but non that I seriously disliked.)

[Kingstree]

40. This is not abut hating Hillary

This is about supporting the right candidate for the Prez, not someone who emulates GWB with poor policy choices and questionable decision making. We don't need anymore of that. The You Tube video is a prime example exposes her of what we don't need.

[wyldwolf]

34. this is how "progressives" always set themselves up

They create these their own "truths" in their echo chamber, then when they lose, they're left wondering how? Then they create conspiracy theories to explain it.

Face it: Those paying attention in the real world know Obama is an inexperienced kid pounding his chest to impress the few.

[Kingstree]

41. What are you talking about?

You prefer a flip flopper who emulates the Bush/Chaney doctrine as opposed to someone who is looking to help the average american, (that includes you) change the political atmosphere for all americans as well as abroad. Hillary Clinton can't even keep her lies straight about foreign policy or admit her Iraq vote was wrong and you want her as the next Prez? Please explain yourself. :shrug: