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davidswanson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-27-07 10:18 PM
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Bush Fulfills His Grandfather's Dream
By David Swanson

It's remarkably common for a grandson to take up his grandfather's major project. This occurred to me when I read recently of Thor Heyerdahl's grandson taking up his mission to cross the Pacific on a raft. But what really struck me was the BBC story aired on July 23rd documenting President George W. Bush's grandfather's involvement in a 1933 plot to overthrow the U.S. government and install a fascist dictatorship. I knew the story, but had not considered the possibility that the grandson was trying to accomplish what his grandfather had failed to achieve.

Prescott Sheldon Bush (1895 to 1972) attended Yale University and joined the secret society known as Skull and Bones. Prescott is widely reported to have stolen the skull of Native American leader Geronimo. As far as I know, this has not actually been confirmed. In fact, Prescott seems to have had a habit of making things up. He sent letters home from World War I claiming he'd received medals for heroism. After the letters were printed in newspapers, he had to retract his claims.

If this does not yet sound like the life of a George W. Bush ancestor, try this on for size: Prescott Bush's early business efforts tended to fail. He married the daughter of a very rich man named George Herbert Walker (the guy with the compound at Kennebunkport, Maine, that now belongs to the Bush family, and the origin of Dubya's middle initial). Walker installed Prescott Bush as an executive in Thyssen and Flick. From then on, Prescott's business dealings went better, and he entered politics.

Now, the name Thyssen comes from a German named Fritz Thyssen, major financial backer of the rise of Adolph Hitler. Thyssen was referred to in the New York Herald-Tribune as "Hitler's Angel." During the 1930s and early 1940s, and even as late as 1951, Prescott Bush was involved in business dealings with Thyssen, and was inevitably aware of both Thyssen's political activities and the fact that the companies involved were financially benefiting the nation of Germany. In addition, the companies Prescott Bush profited from included one engaged in mining operations in Poland using slave labor from Auschwitz. Two former slave laborers have sued the U.S. government and the heirs of Prescott Bush for $40 billion.

Until the United States entered World War II it was legal for Americans to do business with Germany, but in late 1942 Prescott Bush's businesses interests were seized under the Trading with the Enemy Act. Among those businesses involved was the Hamburg America Lines, for which Prescott Bush served as a manager. A Congressional committee, in a report called the McCormack-Dickstein Report, found that Hamburg America Lines had offered free passage to Germany for journalists willing to write favorably about the Nazis, and had brought Nazi sympathizers to America. (Is this starting to remind anyone of our current president's relationship to the freedom of the press?)

The McCormack-Dickstein Committee was established to investigate a homegrown American fascist plot hatched in 1933. Here's how the BBC promoted its recent story:

"Document uncovers details of a planned coup in the USA in 1933 by right-wing American businessmen. The coup was aimed at toppling President Franklin D Roosevelt with the help of half-a-million war veterans. The plotters, who were alleged to involve some of the most famous families in America, (owners of Heinz, Birds Eye, Goodtea, Maxwell Hse & George Bush’s Grandfather, Prescott) believed that their country should adopt the policies of Hitler and Mussolini to beat the great depression. Mike Thomson investigates why so little is known about this biggest ever peacetime threat to American democracy."

Actually, if you listen to the 30-minute BBC story, there is not one word of so much as speculation as to why this story is so little known. I think a clue to the answer can be found by looking into why this BBC report has not led to any U.S. media outlets picking up the story this week.

The BBC report provides a good account of the basic story. Some of the wealthiest men in America approached Marine Corps Major General Smedley Butler, beloved of many World War I veterans, many of them embittered by the government's treatment of them. Prescott Bush's group asked Butler to lead 500,000 veterans in a take-over of Washington and the White House. Butler refused and recounted the affair to the congressional committee. His account was corroborated in part by a number of witnesses, and the committee concluded that the plot was real. But the names of wealthy backers of the plot were blacked out in the committee's records, and nobody was prosecuted. According to the BBC, President Roosevelt cut a deal. He refrained from prosecuting some of the wealthiest men in America for treason. They agreed to end Wall Street's opposition to the New Deal.

Clearly the lack of accountability in Washington, D.C., did not begin with Nancy Pelosi taking Dubya's impeachment off the table, or with Congress' decision to avoid impeachment for President Ronald Reagan (a decision that arguably played a large role in installing Prescott Bush's son George H.W. Bush as president), or with the failure to investigate the apparent deal that George H.W. Bush and others made with Iran to not release American hostages until Reagan was made president, or with the failure to prosecute Richard Nixon after he resigned. Lack of accountability is a proud tradition in our nation's capital. Or maybe I should say our former nation's capital. I don't recognize the place anymore, and I credit that to George W. Bush's efforts to fulfill his grandfather's dream using far subtler and more effective means than a military coup.

Bush the grandson took office through a highly fraudulent election that he nonetheless lost. The Supreme Court blocked a recount of the vote and installed Dubya.

Prescott's grandson proceeded to weaken or eliminate most of the Bill of Rights in the name of protection from a dark foreign enemy. He even tossed out habeas corpus. The grandson of Prescott, that dreamer of the 1930s, established with very little resistance that the U.S. government can kidnap, detain indefinitely on no charge, torture, and murder. The United States under Prescott Bush's grandson adopted policies that heretofore had been considered only Nazi policies, most strikingly the willingness to openly plan and engage in aggressive wars on other nations.

At the same time, Dubya has accomplished a huge transfer of wealth within the United States from the rest of us to the extremely wealthy. He's also effected a major privatization of public operations, including the military. And he's kept tight control over the media.

Dubya has given himself the power to rewrite all laws with signing statements. He's established that intentionally misleading the Congress about the need for a war is not a crime that carries any penalty. He's given himself the right (just as Hitler did) to open anyone's mail. He's created illegal spying programs and then proposed to legalize them. Prescott would be so proud!

The current President Bush has accomplished much more smoothly than his grandfather could have imagined a feat that was one of the goals of Prescott's gang, namely the elimination of Congress.
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melody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-27-07 10:21 PM
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1. This overthrow was also participated in by European blue bloods
Notice how Bush is destroying our country while the EU flowers (albeit not to the
benefit of the European people).
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-27-07 10:22 PM
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2. Prescott wanted a Nazi style government in this country and began
Edited on Fri Jul-27-07 10:22 PM by whistle
...pushing for it immediately after FDR's death
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Baby Snooks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-29-07 12:11 AM
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54. Samuel Bush
To fully understand the Bush dynasty, and the Bush agenda, you have to understand Samuel Bush. Little is known about him beyond his associations with many of the most powerful families in America during World War I including the Rockefellers. Samuel Bush shared their belief in eugenics and in fascism as some sort of ideal of federalism. The marriage between Prescott Bush and Dorothy Walker was more than just a marriage. It was a marriage of two children of two very powerful men. And the political ideology reflected by Prescott, George HW, and George W Bush appears to be the ideology of Samuel Bush, not Herbert Walker.

http://ecosyn.us/Bush-Hitler/Contents/Contents.html

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muntrv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-27-07 10:26 PM
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3. Bush is like Hitler, Cheney is like Goering, Rove is like Goebbels.
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PurpleChez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-27-07 10:31 PM
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5. Rove is also built like Göbbels. No...I'm thinking of Göring...sorry....
I remember reading that Göring had a touch of the lavender about him and enjoyed cheerful pastel uniforms, which Hitler tolerated only because they didn't look out of the ordinary in B&W photos. But that might have been allied propoganda, similar to the stories about Jefferson Davis being captured while dressed as a woman.
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Lionel Mandrake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 01:05 AM
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19. And the WTC is like the Reichstag (the building, not the legislature)
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lefador Donating Member (224 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 06:30 PM
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38. No they are not...
... regardless of what their quality (or lack of) as human beings, there are significant differences between that trio:

Hitler was a talented speaker, and at least he fought in WWI. Bush can't open his mouth w/o committing some atrocity on the English language, and is a bonified coward. Hitler was a populist, Bush is a silver spooned elitist.

Goering was a war hero, Cheney had things more important to do than fight in Vietnam.

Goebbels was a fairly talented individual when it came to manipulating the human psyche, Rove's only quality is that he is not handicapped by a possessing any sort of moral compass.

All six are the epitome of evil, the only difference is that the German trifecta sweated their way into power, whereas the American junta simply cruised into it. The Americans are lazy, incompetent and just not interested in the populist aspects of fascism... so they jumped directly into the corporativist aspect of Bush's grandpa's wet dream.


BTW, for those who don't know... 'together we stand, divided we fall' is visually represented by the fascio.

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tblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 06:51 PM
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43. Thanks for that thoughtful post. I can't disagree with anything you said. And I'm dumbfounded by
the enormity of it all. What in the world are we gonna do?
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lefador Donating Member (224 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 07:32 PM
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44. the 90s was our Pax Americana...
... it is the normal cyclic way of things. I believe that the EU and China are poised to become the new power brokers in this coming century.

I knew it was all over when people were not concerned about having a 'homeland' security department. This is a democratic republic not a home/father/mother-land...
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tblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-29-07 02:14 AM
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55. I think you're right, about the EU and China. Too many Americans believe we are superior because
we can bomb into dust anybody we want. But it's not even about countries anymore. It's about $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ and who has it.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-27-07 10:26 PM
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4. It's time for another Bush/Nazis thread
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PurpleChez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-27-07 10:32 PM
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7. Hear, hear! Those are always good!
Why not heap some more foul-smelling shit on the tire fire that is the Bush legacy?
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Double T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-27-07 10:31 PM
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6. The overthrow has happened. Now what to do? What must be done to..........
take back our nation before it is completely sold off to foreign entities and concerns? 1929 FOREVER is imminent unless something is done.
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broadcaster Donating Member (105 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 02:33 AM
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23. Problem is most don't see it as a coup....
..and are not energized over all that has happened.

I believe either the majority of Americans support Bush deep down,
or they are not aware of the significance of what Bush has done.

I have no idea where this country is headed. My Chertoff-gut feeling
is, we're in deep trouble and have only begun to realize how many
levels deep Bush/Cheney have been playing this.
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 07:40 PM
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45. Sr.Bush (before 9-11) "this country needs another Pearl Harbor to unite the people again"...
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-27-07 10:42 PM
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8. The Bush's are an evil family.
Reagan was an SOB, but Daddy Bush was the brains behind that administration too.
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neuvocat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-27-07 10:50 PM
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9. Prescott Bush wanted to be a world class failure?
Just kidding.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 06:42 PM
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41. Consider what he has actually done, and from that deduce what
his agenda might be, and if he is a failure.

Transferred billions of dollars of tax revenue to wealthy supporters.
Kept the American public in fear for the past six years.
Broken the back of the military.
Subverted the Supreme Court.
Terrified the congress into submission.
Planted RW judges and federal attorneys in key positions throughout the country.
Had crooked voting machines and tabulators installed in virtually every state.

If this was set up for a coup, then he has been very successful.
They are funded.
A frightened populace is a compliant populace.
The military, that which has not been seduced itself (think, AF Academy) is too damaged to stand against a coup.
The Supremes are placed to uphold whatever comes as legal and constitutional.
Congress, while better now than a year ago, does not have the power to force anything on the president, and Bush's congressional supporters have the power to block any real threat.
Lower ranked RW judges can run interference for the Supremes - federal attorneys can choose which cases to pursue or not pursue.
Rigged elections will continue to consolidate the fascist gains in the house and senate, now that so many old-style moderate republicans were taken out in 06 - now, the fascists won't have to run against those moderate republicans.

08 may be our last shot at preserving our democracy - if it's not already too late.
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illinoisprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-27-07 11:08 PM
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10. wonder what P Bush was like and if alot time was spent with W
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sarcasmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-27-07 11:09 PM
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11. Many on D/U don't want us to use the term Nazi, but if the shoe fits.
Kick and Nom.
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Jack Sprat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-27-07 11:12 PM
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12. The Bush family is a dysfunctional horde of liars
and creeps that has slimed American history. This president must go to prison, IMO. Impeachment should not preclude a life sentence in a maximum security prison.
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Dystopian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-27-07 11:28 PM
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13. k&r
When will the truth set us free?

peace~
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Bobbieo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-27-07 11:42 PM
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14. If Bush is actually fulfilling his grandfather's dream - just maybe
he's not as stupid as we all like to think he is. But the scenario is unfolding, isn't it? And, we have done nothng to break it up.
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Amonester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 02:42 PM
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33. In the end, he is stupid because his "policies" are destructive...
bu$che succeeded to push his inherently destructive policies through throats because:

1. his greed (and his enablers' greed) trumps everything else
2. exploitation of fear (even totally irrational)
3. short-term gains that can only create chaos in the long run

(but he doesn't care 'cuz he said "I'll be dead" when the consequences will show up...)

A real "Leader Of The Free World" would care about the future and would not be stupid to ignore the importance of pushing for good policies.

The new king george is stupid because he doesn't give a f**k about the future, and he is convinced that its the right way to go.
:crazy:

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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 03:52 AM
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24. Arbeit Macht Frei
Edited on Sat Jul-28-07 03:56 AM by formercia


is what I think of when I visualize the inscription at the entrance to the CIA Headquarters.


https://www.cia.gov/library/center-for-the-study-of-intelligence/kent-csi/docs/v15i1a07p_0001.htm

Basic Psychology for Intelligence Analysts
Next
APPROVED FOR RELEASE
CIA HISTORICAL REVIEW PROGRAM
2 JULY 96




CONFIDENTIAL

Some rules, ploys, and plays

BASIC PSYCHOLOGY FOR INTELLIGENCE ANALYSTS

Charles D. Cremeans

When Allen Dulles chose to have the words "For ye shall know the truth and the truth shall make you free," carved in white marble at the entrance to the Headquarters building he was giving expression to an article of faith in the intelligence profession. We must believe that knowledge of the truth sustains and supports our government or we couldn't justify what we are doing.

Working intelligence officers know, however, that it isn't always as easy as it sounds. "What is the truth? How much evidence do you have to have? how selected? how organized? how presented? how evaluated before we have the truth that will make our country free?-and free from what? We all know that good and true men disagree on these matters, as on the evidence on any given subject of intelligence concern. We also know that from time to time, every intelligence officer worth his salt wakes up with a shock to realize that he has been misreading the evidence on some familiar topic. This can happen because he has gone along with the common wisdom, accepted unexamined assumptions, or just plain gotten into a rut. It can also happen if preoccupation with success, or mere survival in the intelligence culture become more important than intelligence itself.

The sensitive intelligence officer becomes aware from time to time of the effect on our finished product of the interaction of personalities and institutions within the intelligence community. We are, after all, human beings; we have deadlines to meet; we tend to favor our own conclusions over those of others; and we all know that a little salesmanship here and there, a little blarney, a measure of cajolery, and some basic psychology can often get a paper agreed to and on its way to the White House, while without such inputs it might languish and spoil under the heavy hands of some well meaning but less subtle colleagues.

The object of this paper is to look at some of the ways in which we get our work done, ways that depend more on human psychology than on cold reason. The purpose in mind is not to collect a bag of tricks, a primer of intelligencemanship, but to focus a spotlight on one aspect of our craft which is usually ignored. The purpose in doing this is not to suggest that an end be put to this kind of thing. God forbid that we stop being human, that we coldly reject, as being unsuited to our profession, such phenomena as the well-known eloquence of the distinguished dean of photointerpreters. But we should be aware of ourselves as we really are and not be misled into thinking all our peccadilloes foster the rapid and certain discovery of the truth.

--snip--

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many a good man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-27-07 11:57 PM
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15. I wonder if there is a secret provision in old Prescott's will or trust
that offers one billion dollars to the first of his heirs who can revoke habeas corpus in the United States. How much do you think shrubya has to split it with Rove and Cheney?
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 12:03 AM
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16. Oh my!
:crazy: :think: :mad: :wtf: Why not? Makes as much sense as anything they've done.
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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 12:06 AM
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17. This is beautifully written, and very scary.
How do we stop them?

K&R

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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 02:09 AM
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21. We impeach them
and quit arguing about whether that will hurt the Dems in 08.
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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 02:21 AM
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22. Now there's a plan I can get behind!
Thank you...
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BleedingHeartPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 12:40 AM
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18. He's hardly done it alone. In fact, he appears to be a lesser player, the figurehead.
There are so many icky, dirty fingers in this pie...and the crusty foundation is the Bush Family, who'da thunk it when GHWB was a so/so R candidate running for the nomination in 1979 against Reagan?

MKJ
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rucognizant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 02:16 PM
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32. Who'da thunk it?
Some of us.............try getting others on board with the idea, at that time! It's been difficult enough in the past 6 years when the action is so much more obvious!
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BleedingHeartPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 08:14 PM
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48. Guilty as charged. Reagan beat him and then made him VP. I thought GHWB was benign.
It was Reagan who made my skin crawl.

I was very young and extremely politically naive.

I apologize on behalf of all other late 70's/early 80's partiers who thought the USSR was our mortal enemy.

And, I can only hope there are more than a few young rucognizants out there now, we need them.

MKJ
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puebloknot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 02:03 AM
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20. K&R Another good "scales from the eyes" post. nt
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Senator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 04:15 AM
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25. K&R
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 04:21 AM
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26. I love how Republicans say that todays Democrats wouldn't have responded to Hitler
How easily they forget that it was the Republicans dragging their feet on entering World War II as long as possible because the Nazis were good trading partners.
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 10:29 PM
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53. They are saying that because they see how Democrats aren't responding to them.
I think it's a zetz.
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 06:24 AM
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27. Yes, I believe Grandpa Prescott's Dream is alive and well and acheived by other means
They are so very close now. One more false flag "terrorist" attack should do it for the Royal Bushies.

Totalitarianism is the engine the Royal and Loyal Bushies have so painstakingly built, and all it awaits is a trigger event which will serve as the key in the ignition.

It would not surprise me if the lists haven't already been drawn up. The Loyal Bushie Comrades who will serve as our organizers and Block or Neighborhood (Inner Rover says "neighborhood" has a better PR-feel to that words) Captains and those who will be relocated to The Stadium or The Relocation Center (don't call it a camp...that's bad PR, says the Inner Rove).

Nationalized Neighborhood Watch
VIPS
Citizen Corps Councils

Just a few of the already organized, staffed, and financed organiztions which shall replace the democratic institutions after the Royal Bushies stage or have their Trigger Event.
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Nostradammit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 03:33 PM
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34. They're gonna have a hell of a time on our block
I can't think of one house around here that would put up with that nonsense.

We're all locked and loaded. And we all hate Bush.
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lefador Donating Member (224 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 06:33 PM
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40. No they won't....
... just like a good parasite, they know when to stop sucking. America will recover, only to have the next generation of Parasites come to power.

Bush is done, in a couple of years the American population will forget all about him, and just in time... once the mess is clean, there will be another generation of Bushs ready to pickup where the last one left off.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 06:47 PM
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42. And each time, it is worse than before. nt
We are the frogs.
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 06:31 AM
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28. When you start talking about the brilliance and cleverness of Republicans, it's time to lie down.
Have a cup of valerian tea.
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trof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 09:25 AM
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29. Interesting...Thyssen building steel mill in Alabama
ThyssenKrupp AG of Dusseldorf, Germany, has chosen north Mobile County for a steel mill now valued at $3.7 billion, ending a fierce bidding war over incentives between finalists Alabama and Louisiana.
<snip>
The increased construction estimate also means a bigger break on the new plant's corporate income taxes, under an incentives bill signed Wednesday by Gov. Bob Riley. The bill extends an income tax credit that allows companies to apply 5 percent of their capital costs to their tax bills for construction of facilities from 20 years to 30 years.

According to a Press-Register survey of the numbers, the credit would be worth up to $185 million per year on a $3.7 billion plant, effectively wiping out any corporate income tax bills below those numbers. The new plant would have to make over $2.8 billion a year from a $3.7 billion plant -- not including federal deductions or profit allocations, which could push that threshold even higher -- before it paid any corporate income taxes.

Media reports put ThyssenKrupp's 2006 profit at slightly under $3.4 billion -- meaning the new plant would have to produce 82 percent of ThyssenKrupp's company-wide profit before paying corporate income taxes to Alabama.

In separate written statements, U.S. Sens. Jeff Sessions, R-Mobile, and Richard Shelby, R-Tuscaloosa, praised the company's decision.
http://blog.al.com/live/2007/05/mobile_county_wins_thyssenkrup.html
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RestoreGore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 09:47 AM
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30. And he couldn't have done it without our help
So as much as you blame Pelosi and others which is also right, it also falls on you and all of us too.
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broadcaster Donating Member (105 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 01:14 PM
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31. Agreed. This did not happen all within 8 years. n/t
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 04:10 PM
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35. Yep, that's about it. Great post. n/t
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sce56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 05:40 PM
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36. The unwritten history of the US and the Bush Family La Cosa Nostra Bush
has their fingerprints all over the dirty deeds!

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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 06:13 PM
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37. He strangled Joe Kennedy? nt
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 06:32 PM
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39. Bush is a heck of lot more dangerous then many people think...
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 07:49 PM
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46. I always enjoy these Bush=Nazi threads
cuz they upset the lurking freepers so much!
:kick:
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Don1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 08:11 PM
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47. Hey you forgot something...
Hitler and Bush also have in common this idea to expropriate property.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3396378
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Phrogman Donating Member (940 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 08:53 PM
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49. So the Heinz family is in on this? Like in Teresa Heinz Kerry?
same family as the one Kerry married into?

The shadow leaves nothing to chance, does he?
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Phrogman Donating Member (940 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 08:59 PM
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50. I'm not that smart, but it looks like to me 2 of the big families conspiring to overthrow ...
the government in the 30's BOTH has a tight, politically connected family running for the presidency 2 generations later.
With both of the candidate family members involved in the same secret societies?


Does anyone ever wonder if maybe Alex Jones is absolutely right about everything he's saying?
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vssmith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 09:29 PM
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51. Kerry went to Yale too and may have been in
Skull and Bones
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Bitwit1234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 09:43 PM
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52. The HISTORY CHANNEL showed a feature about this
about a year or so ago...I have tried to find the video for sale but, they don't have it available. And they only showed it that once. Not over and over like they usually do.
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Bullet1987 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-29-07 03:59 AM
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56. "And he's kept tight control over the media."
The above is the only thing I would take out from a very well written piece. I've heard a lot about the Smedley Butler story and Prescott Bush. When I first read about this I didn't believe it...I brushed it off as a weak conspiracy theory. Weak because, if there were a shred of truth to it (like some say of Roswell or JFK) then you would see legions of believers, books, and a movie or two. A subculture built off the believers. With the FDR/Smedley Butler Coup, you have none of that. All of one major book was written on it in the 70's and is now out-of-print. No movies have been made, and very few people even know this conspiracy even exists. But as time went on and I started reading more into it...I realized THAT'S why it's true!!! Not only because a Congressional committee has said so, but because they were caught red-handed and Butler's story was corroborated. The only question is why have historians kept this written out of history for so long? Is it because it implicates many powerful families (namely the Bushes) in America as aiding Nazis? Most likely.
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