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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 01:52 AM
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Will Marshall: "We are all populists now".....no, not really.
"We're all populists now," says the DLC's Will Marshall, but the organization still scorns the populist economics that was central to Democratic election victories across the county last year.


That is a quote from Robert Borosage at Huff Post.

Wrong on the Right

Borosage has some interesting observations on the National Conversation this week-end, and he points out Will's hypocrisy about the populism.

The corporate wing of the Democratic Party -- the Democratic Leadership Council -- will meet in its "National Conversation" this weekend in Nashville. The press is already noting that while all of the Democratic presidential hopefuls will appear at the YearlyKos progressive blogger gathering in Chicago, not one is slated to join the DLC in Nashville.

DLC head Al From suggests this is because the candidates have "tunnel vision," and, focused on the Iowa caucuses, are chasing liberal activists. But From is certain that the party's nominee will turn to the DLC and drift to the right when it comes to the general election. "It's sort of like you play on one end of the field to win the nomination," From said, "but if you want to win the game, you've got to play on both ends."

..."This has been the DLC's theme from its inception. Democrats, the group argued, had to distance themselves from "liberal interest groups," bite their tongues, and appeal to a center that, over the years, moved ever further to the right.


Exactly right, Mr. Borosage.

He points out that the DLC always had base built on corporations, not activists. And the money will still hold sway. It does. He is right. It is showing up in who on the Democratic side gets the big money.

But the DLC -- indelibly dubbed Democrats for the Leisure Class by the Rev. Jesse Jackson -- has always had a base built on corporate money and lobbyists, not on activists. Its isolation isn't because it doesn't have troops in Iowa or New Hampshire. Its isolation comes because it simply has been wrong on the fundamental questions of our day.

..."But From needn't worry; corporate money will insure that the DLC remains well-heeled, even if it is increasingly out of step with the country.


I thought it very odd that Will Marshall would make the populist comment. Not long ago they were calling us neo-populists and inferred we were opposing their free trade. (Which we are.)

DLC doesn't like populism

Right-wing populists claim immigrants are stealing Americans' jobs. Left-wing populists say trade is shipping our jobs overseas. Both look backwards toward an allegedly better past and argue that, by sealing our borders and retreating from global markets, government can recover it.

..."After six years of stagnant incomes, increasing inequality, rising debt and declining confidence, many Americans are rightly anxious about their economic futures.

But the last thing they need is an old populism that plays to their fear, anger and pessimism, and, in the end, will only make matters worse. Yet, there are unmistakable signs of a growing "populist" revolt against globalization, especially immigration and trade.


Will Marshall's statement was just not correct....we are not all populists now. If they were respecting our populism, they would not have written an article like that.

Borosage is right. When you have the money you don't need a base. I only hope we get a chance to build our base through the grassroots. There's a chance.

The DLC has viciously fought Robert Borosage's group, Campaign for America's Future over Social Security and Medicare. Now they have changed the wording a little over their previous harsh language.

Robert Borosage is a co-director of Campaign for America's Future. Here is
the website, a very good one.
www.ourfuture.org
They led the fight in the 2002 elections to save Social Security and
Medicare in its current form.

Will Marshall, PPI/DLC, attacked them viciously in 2002, calling them a
union-backed group that can be compared to the Inquisition, latter-day
Torquemadas, who oppose change to the system.
http://www.ndol.org/ndol_ci.cfm?contentid=251076&kaid=125&subid=165

"Nothing better epitomized the hackneyed and reactive character of the
Democrats' 2002 midterm campaign than "The Pledge."
Like camp meeting converts swearing off demon rum, nearly every Democratic
candidate for Congress dutifully took the Pledge. They vowed to never, ever
allow working Americans to divert some portion of their Social Security
payroll taxes into personal retirement accounts. In leftish circles, this
goes by the name of "privatization" and is regarded as the ultimate
political thought crime. "


SNIP.."And lest Democrats entertain any impure thoughts about reforming
Medicare, the pledge also requires them to swear fealty to a new
prescription drug entitlement "that will cover all drugs beneficiaries need"
and that won't "push beneficiaries into HMOs and other managed care plans."

The pledge is the brainchild of the Campaign for America's Future, a
union-backed organization that is to Social Security and Medicare what the
Inquisition was to medieval Christiandom. Its latter-day Torquemadas enforce
New Deal-Great Society orthodoxy and ferret out heresy with religious
zeal..."


Remember those words when they refer to privatization in other terms.
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SOS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 11:02 AM
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1. "We"?
According to Pew Research, the DLC has ceased to exist outside their DC office:

Today, the council has almost no constituency within the Democratic Party. About every five years, the Pew Research Center conducts a public opinion survey to sort out the country’s major ideological groupings. In 1999, Pew found that liberals and New Democrats each accounted for nearly one-quarter of the Democratic base. By the next survey in 2005, New Democrats had completely disappeared as a group and the liberals had doubled their share of the party. Many moderates, radicalized by President Bush, now define themselves as liberals.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/28/opinion/28scheiber.html?ex=1343275200&en=bcac9686ea5eb75b&ei=5124&partner=permalink&exprod=permalink
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 11:03 AM
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2. "In leftish circles, this goes by the name of "privatization"
"Like camp meeting converts swearing off demon rum, nearly every Democratic
candidate for Congress dutifully took the Pledge. They vowed to never, ever
allow working Americans to divert some portion of their Social Security
payroll taxes into personal retirement accounts. In leftish circles, this
goes by the name of "privatization" and is regarded as the ultimate
political thought crime. "

I keep that remark of Will Marshall handy in case people start saying that group is not for privatizing Social Security.
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Totally Committed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 11:25 AM
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3. The DLC claiming to be populist is a bit like my dog claiming to be a cat....
Never gonna be -- different beast altogether.


TC
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 11:32 AM
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4. Particularly relevant post: DLC convention features keynoter Bill Clinton, but NO Dem candidates.
Edited on Sat Jul-28-07 11:34 AM by flpoljunkie
DLC | Press Release | July 24, 2007
President Clinton to Address DLC's 11th Annual National Conversation in Nashville, Tennessee
For Immediate Release

Contact: Jamie Radice
(202) 547-0001

WASHINGTON, -- Today, the Democratic Leadership Council (DLC) announced that Former President Bill Clinton will address the 2007 DLC National Conversation in Nashville, Tennessee. President Clinton was chair of the DLC from 1990 to 1991, when he resigned his position to launch his successful run for the presidency. The National Conversation will take place from July 28-30, and will focus on the most pressing issues facing our nation, including national security, economic opportunity, ending poverty, and energy independence. More than 350 elected officials from across the country are expected to attend.

Media interested in attending should contact Jamie Radice at 202-608-1247 or jradice@dlc.org

WHAT:
NATIONAL CONVERSATION KEYNOTE ADDRESS

WHO:
PRESIDENT BILL CLINTON

WHEN:
MONDAY, JULY 30, 2007
Details TBA

WHERE:
NASHVILLE, TENNESSEE

http://www.dlc.org/ndol_ci.cfm?kaid=85&subid=108&contentid=254400
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 11:52 AM
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5. What a surrogate to send. Wonder who the others sent?
And how would we know? The candidates are bound to have all sent surrogates. Interesting, just thought about that.
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 12:18 PM
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6. You know, I am not sure they sent surrogates. Have not read about it anywhere. Anyone?
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 02:06 PM
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11. I wonder how much the "Great Populist"
is being paid to show up...
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 12:29 PM
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7. Mad, you might want to read this op-ed in today's NYT about the DLC, if you haven't already.
Closing paragraphs, but well worth reading in its entirety...

The Centrists Didn't Hold
by Norm Scheiber

Today, the council has almost no constituency within the Democratic Party. About every five years, the Pew Research Center conducts a public opinion survey to sort out the country’s major ideological groupings. In 1999, Pew found that liberals and New Democrats each accounted for nearly one-quarter of the Democratic base. By the next survey in 2005, New Democrats had completely disappeared as a group and the liberals had doubled their share of the party. Many moderates, radicalized by President Bush, now define themselves as liberals.

On a variety of issues the council, and not the party’s liberal base, is out of touch with the popular mood. A recent Washington Post poll found that 60 percent of independents, along with 70 percent of Democrats, favor withdrawing from Iraq by next spring.

Two decades of work by the Democratic Leadership Council — and a not inconsiderable assist from President Bush — have made the Democratic Party the healthiest it has been in the 22 years of the council’s existence. Democrats should thank the group and then tell it that it’s no longer needed.

Noam Scheiber is a senior editor for The New Republic.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/28/opinion/28scheiber.html


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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 02:12 PM
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13. I missed that, thanks.
"In 1999, Pew found that liberals and New Democrats each accounted for nearly one-quarter of the Democratic base. By the next survey in 2005, New Democrats had completely disappeared as a group and the liberals had doubled their share of the party. Many moderates, radicalized by President Bush, now define themselves as liberals. "

Interesting.
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many a good man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 12:52 PM
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8. In a more perfect world DLCers would BE the Republican party
and rabid right wingers would be a scorned and mocked fringe movement in a carnival sideshow. Spineless Democrats and the supine media prevent that world from coming into being.
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 02:07 PM
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12. That's EXACTLY the way it was
Edited on Sat Jul-28-07 02:07 PM by ProudDad
in the 50s through early 70s...


K&R
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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 02:40 PM
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14. Not to mention the electronic voting machine w/ PRIVATIZED software
THAT is also what has prevented that world from coming into being. Just because we took ONE election in the past 7 years, that does NOT mean that the electronic voting issue is settled. We BARELY got ONE seat in the Senate that gave us the slimmest majority there.

If you think for one minute that this administration won't pull out ALL stops in order to cheat in 2008, then you need to think again. It's still a HUGE issue.

:kick:
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 01:07 PM
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9. "..."After six years of stagnant incomes, increasing inequality, rising debt
Edited on Sat Jul-28-07 01:27 PM by KCabotDullesMarxIII
and declining confidence, many Americans are rightly anxious about their economic futures.

But the last thing they need is an old populism that plays to their fear, anger and pessimism, and, in the end, will only make matters worse. Yet, there are unmistakable signs of a growing "populist" revolt against globalization, especially immigration and trade."

Read this, Mr Marshall:

http://www.usmayors.org/uscm/news/press_releases/documents/hunger_121802.asp

and then tell us of you think the term, "invincibly-ignorant, immoral scum" would fit the person who wrote the above garbage, your article. In case you are also ignorant of the meaning of the term, 'invincible ignorance', it means what it says, a refusal to acknowledge the truth - the sin for which there can be no forgiveness, because it is an eternal sin.

Go and read the parable of Lazarus and the rich man, and tremble for yourself and your far right-wing brothers; then read Matthew 25: 32-46 - Christ's own description of the Last Judgment.

"When we share with the poor, we are only giving back what belongs to them", is how many saints and popes have put it, because God made the world and its bounty for all his children. Eternity would be a long time to suffer the torment of the damned, even for the most patient of souls.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 01:38 PM
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10. but..but..but...Gore "lost" in 2000 because of his shift from DLC to populist:
The so-called Democratic Leadership Council has decided that Al Gore should have acted more like a Republican in order to win the 2000 presidential electoral college vote in addition to his nationwide popular vote victory. This strange finding has drawn some attention, including coverage by the Associated Press and the Environmental News Service -- we have a few excerpts from their reports for you here.

Al Gore, the self-styled environmental candidate in the 2000 Presidential election, lost his bid for the White House because he campaigned on an outdated "populist" platform that was too liberal for most Americans, according to a new report drafted by the Democratic Leadership Council.

The 40-page report, titled "Why Gore Lost, And How Democrats Can Come Back," concludes that the Democratic Party must move towards the political right -- towards the Republicans -- if it wants to regain control of Congress in 2002 and the White House in 2004.

Al From, the DLC's founder and CEO, opened a freewheeling discussion forum by arguing that Democrat Al Gore made a huge tactical mistake by continually emphasizing that he would "fight for the people and not the powerful" as the nation's first president of the 21st Century.

-snip

http://www.progress.org/goredlc2.htm
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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 02:50 PM
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15. That was bought & paid for propaganda. In the first place, Gore WON.
:kick:
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 03:29 PM
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16. Exactly, but the DLC would rather blame a "loss" on populism rather than stick up for a populist.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 04:38 PM
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17. I wonder who the DLC is backing for the Democratic Nomination.

I wonder who will bring us:

*more WAR
*more Free Trade
*more Privatization
*more Outsourcing
*more Defense Spending
*more Pay to Play
*less Corporate regulation and oversight

Who is the DLC supporting for President?


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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 06:58 PM
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20. DLC's Al From's "our candidates" were listed by him in October, 2005 as Clinton, Vilsack, Warner and
Bayh--in that order--in an appearance on C-Span's Washington Journal.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 09:42 PM
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21. Three down....
wonder if one will be VP?
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-29-07 04:35 PM
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23. I would guess that all three would be on any Hillary short list, with Evan Bayh the favorite.
I can't see Warner taking the VP job and Vilsack on list only for political payback for his help in Iowa.

Have I mentioned I am NOT.BACKING.HILLARY!
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Progressive Friend Donating Member (362 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 11:01 PM
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22. Hillary Clinton is who they want to win
However, only Dennis Kucinich and Mike Gravel are non-DLC members running for the nomination.
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Progressive Friend Donating Member (362 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 06:29 PM
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18. Support the Progressive Democrats of America!
The PDA is the only real alternative to the corporate controlled DLC.

http://www.pdamerica.org/
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 06:32 PM
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19. I disagree.
Two of the board of directors are constantly going after our best Democrats here.

I used to subscribe to the mailing list, and donated once or twice.

Think we will stick with DFA and the DNC.
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