Forget the Dem frontrunners - Biden going after the Rethug frontrunners

[jillan]

From his blog

Biden Responds To Giuliani’s Attack On Dems, Invites Him To One-On-One Debate
July 27th, 2007 by Erin Medlicott
July 27: Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Joe Biden (D-DE) isn’t taking recent critical comments from Rudy Giuliani lying down.

Republican presidential candidate and former New York City mayor Rudy Giuliani attacked the Democratic presidential candidates Tuesday, alleging they lacked national security credentials, and inferred America would become “more vulnerable to attack.”

“Rudy Giuliani just doesn’t get it,” Sen. Biden responded. “Tough talk and cheap shots won’t make America any safer, or get mine resistant vehicles to our troops any faster.

“It is absurd for Rudy Giuliani to call Democrats ‘losers’ after five years of failed Republican policies in Iraq,” Biden continued.


“It is outrageous that three years after the 9/11 Commission made its recommendations virtually nothing has been funded by this White House and yet Giuliani continues to make the pathetic case that his party has provided leadership fighting terrorism,” explained Sen. Biden. “As everyone knows, until we end the war in Iraq, we are distracted from the main agenda of combating terrorism in Afghanistan and strengthening our homeland security.

“Giuliani and the rest of the Republican candidates continue to cling to this Administration’s failed policy that a strong central government can be propped up in Iraq,” Senator Biden commented. “If these are the positions he wants to defend, I invite him to debate me on these important topics.”
http://blog.joebiden.com/?p=824#comments

if anyone wants to read Rudy-tooties comments they can do it here - but first get the sanitizer ready
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2007/7/24/145121.shtml?s=icp

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

1. Good for Joe!

And now where are the rest of the candidates on this?

[Mz Pip]

2. I know a lot

of people on DU don't like Biden because of his corporate connections but when he does a smack down like this I am impressed.

He's absolutely right. Giuliani is all talk, with no facts or substance to back up any of his rhetoric. Repeating stale talking points over and over again don't make them true.

Mz Pip
:dem:

[Like It Is]

17. Biden's Corporate Connections? Come into the 21st Century!

Barack Obama

Goldman Sachs $310,001
Lehman Brothers $219,860
Exelon Corp $190,652
Sidley Austin LLP $189,365
Citadel Investment Group $169,000
JP Morgan Chase & Co $154,455
Citigroup Inc $154,116
UBS AG $142,200
Jones, Day et al $131,333
Time Warner $107,751
Skadden, Arps et al $107,656
Harvard University $106,435
Kirkland & Ellis $103,101
Jenner & Block $101,264
WilmerHale $92,310
University of California $88,346
Morgan Stanley $87,335
UBS Americas $85,130
Viacom Inc $80,399
Proskauer Rose $79,600

Hillary Clinton

DLA Piper $284,620
Citigroup Inc $158,145
Skadden, Arps et al $135,060
Goldman Sachs $131,850
Morgan Stanley $127,700
Cablevision Systems $113,425
Kirkland & Ellis $110,200
Greenberg Traurig LLP $108,400
Time Warner $103,220
Blank Rome LLP $96,500
Merrill Lynch $96,300
Viacom Inc $93,200
JP Morgan Chase & Co $89,100
Patton Boggs $88,805
Lehman Brothers $83,650
Credit Suisse Group $80,950
Avenue Capital Group $80,600
News Corp $78,650
Bear Stearns $78,350
Earnst & Young $78,250

These are Barack and Hillary's Corporate Connections!

[Jillian]

34. Like -

:toast:

[Like It Is]

18. These are Biden's. A bit less, wouldn't you say.

Joe Biden

Simmons Cooper LLC $66,400
Bank of America $42,400
Cooney & Conway $40,800
Pachulski, Stang et al $39,000
Weitz & Luxenberg $36,800
Weil, Gotshal & Manges $33,300
Young, Conaway et al $30,804
Broadway Partners $29,900
Law Offices of Peter G Angelos $29,900
Colleran, O'Hara & Mills $27,600
Boies, Schiller & Flexner $26,800
Kasowitz, Benson et al $25,700
Skadden, Arps et al $24,050
Adler Group $23,650
Thornton & Naumes $23,200
Clifford Law Offices $23,000
Duane Morris LLP $20,400
Cushman & Wakefield $19,500
Comcast Corp $18,900
Clifford Chance LLP $18,850

[Mz Pip]

22. I'm not going negative

on him for this. Until we have public financing of elections you have to get money from somewhere to run. It is what it is.

It's just that Biden seems to get more criticism around here that others for his corporate connections. I think it's unfair to make such a big deal about where he gets his money when in the world of politics running on a shoestring budget is not going to get the message out.

Mz Pip
:dem:

[Like It Is]

27. I'm glad you're for public financing.

Join me on "Fair Elections Now" sponsored by Senator Durbin.

[napi21]

3. I HOPE Rudy accepts the challenge! Joe has been my preference all along.

I don't agree with ANY CANDIDATE on EVERYTHING, and I like Joe's style! Yep, he puts his foot in his mouth once in a while, but that shows me he's NOT the scripted candidate! I have yet to see a one on one confrontation where Joe lost!

[ellacott]

4. I'm also a huge fan of Biden

I also don't agree with everything and do have problems with his corporate ties. They forget that most of the candidates have corporate ties and the frontrunners have gotten more corporate donations to their campaigns. He has more experience and can hold his own with the Repubs better than any Dem. candidate that we have.

I wish people would give him more consideration.

[SoFlaJet]

8. I'll never forget watching C-Span on 9/10/01

There was Joe Biden giving a speech somewhere talking about terrorist threats-I have never made the mistake of underestimating anything he says since. He would make a great Sec Of State for the next DEMOCRATIC administration.He right then and he has the best idea about how to get Iraq right with the 3 provinces-Sunni Shia and Kurds

[ellacott]

9. He also was one of the first to criticize this Bush on the War

Others were afraid to speak up but he didn't bite his tongue. I think he would make a great Sec of State also.

[jillan]

10. Someone with Biden's knowledge would be better as the Leader

And having his staff working thru his ideas.

Biden would be a great SOS but he has also done so much for domestic issues.
He just got legislation passed to help lower income families send their children to college.
He was the author of more cops on the streets that was so successful during the Clinton admin.
And of course, the best was the Violence Against Woman's Act.

[jillan]

11. I have never read it. I will have to find the speech.

Amazing!

[rodeodance]

6. a nickle says Rudy will not

[napi21]

7. I dont think he will either. I can't see what he could possibly win

in a confrontation like that. It does however give Joe the opportunity to tel everybody on the campaign trail that RUDY is too AFRAID to debate him! I hope he does that...A LOT!

[REACTIVATED IN CT]

35. I was ready to write him off due to footinmouth but then I saw

him on CSPAN talking to a GLBT group in Iowa and was very impressed with him. He seems like the real deal - as you said, not a scripted candidate. I think we could do worse than Biden.

[rodeodance]

5. Repugs talk Terrorism and Dems talk Iraq War.

[Jillian]

12. Yeah that's the difference between Rudy and Biden - check this out

You know the gun guy from the debate?

Well he emailed Biden and asked Biden to go hunting with him.

Biden emailed him back and said he would be happy to meet with him

Biden is not afraid to confront confrontation.

I will keep you posted on the story as it develops.

[Inuca]

49. Meet - OK, hunt - NO!!

Too risky. I thought of adding a smiley, but decided against.

[Bitwit1234]

13. This is what DEMOCRATS should all do

go after the republicans not each other.

[emilyg]

14. Exactly. Thank you.

[Like It Is]

21. Politics ain't Bean Bag.

It's a tough game not for softies. You beat up on one another and than unite around the winner.

[Jillian]

15. "Biden Responds to Rudy's Attacks"

http://www.nyobserver.com/2007/biden-responds-rudy

Rudy Giuliani stepped up his rhetorical attacks on the Democratic presidential candidates yesterday, saying that the whole Democratic field are a bunch of "losers" with their heads in the stand when it comes to "Islamic Terrorism."

Joe Biden, at least, is responding.

His campaign just put out a statement saying that the former mayor "doesn't get it" and that his "Tough talk and cheap shots won't make America any safer."

The Biden campaign's communications director, Larry Rasky explained it to me this way:

"Both on Iraq and terrorism and national security, the Senator is not going to sit back and let the Republicans define the debate. We're going to call them on it. We think Giuliani has been particularly abusive at adopting Rove-ian tactics."



on edit: notice that was printed right in Rudy's hometown.

[butterfly77]

16. That is what is wrong with all of the Dems...

their are only a few of them who speak out like Biden, Feingold and a few others. I think that we have weak leadership at the top such as Pelosi and Reid.

[Like It Is]

23. Then you have the ones who are programmed.

Like Hillary & Barack.

[ShortnFiery]

19. Biden is pro-bankruptcy bill. IMO, he's a corporate meatball. Cabinet position perhaps?

:shrug:

[Jillian]

25. Biden is receiving less $$ from corporations than the top 2.

and less than Dodd.

Those I know for a fact, I don't know about Edwards and Richardson without having to look it up.

So he is not really a corporate whore, now is he?

[ShortnFiery]

28. BIDEN VOTED FOR THE BANKRUPTCY BILL = Biden is a corporate WHORE! nt

[Like It Is]

33. Biden was 1 of 74 Yea votes. And it's all his fault?

Quit smokin that happy weed. It makes you goofy.

[draft_mario_cuomo]

41. Who is the banking industry supporting? It isn't "corporate whore" Biden

It is actually your candidate...

Money from commerical banks

1) Obama $607,259
2) Clinton $492,725
3) McCain $479,085
4) Romney $451,771
5) Giuliani $416,901
6) Dodd $352,500
7) Edwards $131,876
8) Biden $102,250
9)Richardson $83,000

[Like It Is]

26. Biden doesn't play second fiddle.

Don't hold the Bankruptcy bill against Biden. The Senate vote was 74 Yea to 25 Nay. Kind of lopsided, wouldn't you say? If all the deadbeats wouldn't have been running up their Credit Card limits and filing Bankruptcy, not once but several times and then laughing about it, the bill would not have been necessary.

[ShortnFiery]

29. Yes, I will always hold The Bankruptcy Bill against Biden. It goes to his ZERO respect ...

for us "little people" within the non-investor classes. :thumbsdown:

On Edit: DAMN! You're cold. "deadbeats"?!?

Did you know that ONE OF THE MOST COMMON reasons that people max out their credit cards are for SEVERE FAMILY MEDICAL ILLNESS such as Cancer?

Deadbeats? No, not necessarily - especially if we insisted that the creditors not "suck people" into debt for life. The damn credit card companies are *ultra-disengenous* in the way that they often DRAW young, inexperienced (with finances) working people in. :grr: :thumbsdown:

[Like It Is]

30. Did you get burned by the Bankruptcy Bill?

If not quit your complaining. By the way, get yourself some investments, you will need them when you retire.

[Mz Pip]

31. Good luck

in finding your perfect candidate who's never done anything you disagree with and who has a snowball's chance in hell of getting elected.

It's not just major credit card corporations who lose out when people don't pay their bills. If only it were.

Mz Pip
:dem:

[Like It Is]

36. It's tough explaining to these knuckleheads.

They are searching for the perfect candidate who did nothing wrong, And they find someone who did nothing, right or wrong.

[ShortnFiery]

37. Name-Calling now? People who are now in abject poverty because of catastrophic illness

really love the *heartless* philosophies of you Third Way "investments first" Democrats? NOT!

Have you no shame OR empathy for the working class?

He may be saying the right things now but I have ZERO respect for that, IMO, arrogant, self-absorbed, windbag Joe "Bankruptcy Bill - Corporate Shill" Biden. :grr:

Yeah, tell a mother who has just lost her son to terminal cancer AND tapped out because of medical bills that she's a KNUCKLEHEAD? "Insensitive" is an understatement for you and your beloved candidate. :(

:thumbsdown:

[Like It Is]

38. You're impossible!

Joe Biden was one of 74 votes. Only 25 votes supported your position.

[draft_mario_cuomo]

42. The candidate shortnfiery supports has raised the most money from the banking industry...

Money from commerical banks

1) Obama $607,259
2) Clinton $492,725
3) McCain $479,085
4) Romney $451,771
5) Giuliani $416,901
6) Dodd $352,500
7) Edwards $131,876
8) Biden $102,250
9)Richardson $83,000

[jillan]

43. Where did you get that?

Seriously - I need to bookmark that.

[murbley40]

44. short...

Sounds personal to me. Bankruptcy hurts all consumers.

[Like It Is]

45. Not the ones who pay their bills. n/t

[murbley40]

51. Excuse me,

like it is:
But who do you think pays for the losses of the creditors caused by a bankruptcy?
You & I and the rest of the consumers when we need a loan or buy something.

[depakid]

20. Given his record- he needs to distinguish himself from them!

And I'm happy to watch him try to do so.

[Jillian]

24. IMO - he is. He is not engaging in their childish game.

He is going after the ones we have to beat.

[depakid]

32. And good for him!

As I said, I'm VERY happy to see him do so....

Better late than never.

[cbear70]

39. Thanks for sharing this

Love Biden so much. I know I do not agree with the bankruptcy but if that were the case, I could find a reason not to like any of them running and that won't do our country any good. Biden , imho, is the best candidate.

[Like It Is]

40. Without a Doubt !

Now we have to convince the media of that. All they know is, Hillary or Obama and occasionally Edwards.

[Like It Is]

46. See Biden this morning on the Early Show.

And this evening on Hardball.

[TheDonkey]

47. Would love to see Biden go after these republican goons 1-on-1 n/t

[Like It Is]

48. I would like to see him debate the Dems first, one on one!

He has to wrap up the nomination first! Then he can take on the Repug winner, and maybe Bloomberg.

[murbley40]

52. Me too!

:woohoo: :woohoo:

[Cameron27]

50. I've always liked Biden,

and I like him even more since he started campaigning. Rudy doesn't stand a chance against him.

[ieoeja]

53. kick n/t