Kucinich videos are not getting views

[penguin7]

I don't know how many millions will be voting in the Democratic primaries. Unless something dramatic happens, I do know that the great majority will be too stinking ignorant to make an informed decision.

Whatever your political persuasion these videos are substantial, thought provoking, and important. This is not what you will see on the evening news or on the TV news magazines. The health care video is particularly important.

How come with a Democratic congress, and the strong support that HR 676 has it is not being rammed through congress?

"Kucinich's plan, HR 676, is supported by 78 Members of Congress , more than 260 Union Locals , and 14,000 physicians."

These videos should be getting hundreds of thousands of views, no it should be getting millions of views.

If this election keeps going as it is, I am just going to become completely cynical and jaded. It is a whole lot easier that way I guess.

[MethuenProgressive]

1. Maybe all the Kuchinich supporters *are* watching the vids?

And that's why the view count is so small? I'm just sayin'...

[Caution]

3. Bingo. n/t

[penguin7]

4. Well like how the hell do you know who to support,

without maybe learning about the candidate?

No offense, but your statement is really sickeningly stupid.

It is a tactic to snuff out debate before the debate even begins.

Are you suggesting that Kucinich has message that should not be heard?

[MethuenProgressive]

19. "No offense, but your statement is really sickeningly stupid." No, it's honest.

"Are you suggesting that Kucinich has message that should not be heard?"
Don't be so sickenly stupid, penguin.
I'm suggesting that only those who support him are interested in viewing his videos.
Go back to YouTube, Dennis needs more hits...

[penguin7]

23. Your logic suggests that one should be closeminded

Kucinich is presenting issues that the mainstream media is ignoring.

So if you are not watching these videos or if you are not informed regarding them in some other manner, basically you are ignorant.

If you are ignorant, how can you make a judgement, how can you vote?

I am not saying you are stupid, as you might know exactly where Kucinich stands, and you have an agenda here. I still stand by my statement that your statement is stupid. Even more it is dishonest, unfair and shameful. It is exactly what is wrong with politics in this country.

[MethuenProgressive]

25. "I am not saying you are stupid,"

You cried, O Brilliantly Intelligent GodPenguin, "why are DK's vids not getting hits?"
I answered that perhaps the hits represent the interest in him.
I apologize for hurting your feelings by stating the obvious.
Feel free to stick your head back up your ass in your search for logic.

[penguin7]

26. Whatever

[Freddie Stubbs]

46. Many of us learned enough about him from his last joke of a campaign

The one that the FEC made him return federal matching funds because he was using that money to jet set around the country after Kerry had sewn up the nomination.

[LWolf]

20. I'm a Kucinich supporter, and I've only watched one.

I'm already aware of his stance on these issues, and I'm not a fan of video.

It's fine for those that like it. I can read text faster than I can watch video. Video slows me down.

Besides, the point of the videos is to get the message out; not to preach to the choir.

Perhaps it's just that video is more of an entertainment than an information medium.

[Maat]

2. I watch them, but then ..

I'm a diehard Kucinich supporter!

:)

[DutchLiberal]

34. Hi!

:hi: Me too!

[Maat]

35. Hi!

:hi:

[Jack Bone]

5. I'm boycotting the '08 election until '08

call me old-fashioned...:shrug:

[Throd]

44. Amen!

[MissWaverly]

6. I can't watch video, I can only do mp3 on my computer

I have dial up and I think there are many like me out there, video is beyond what I can do unless it is live stream, I think many
more like me would watch if they could.

[zalinda]

7. Sorry, but Kucinich turned me off in the youtube debates

He reminded me of another candidate, who was constantly giving out numbers to call during debates. I don't remember who it was, because I hated it so much I wanted to forget it ever happened.

zalinda

[penguin7]

8. You made a decision on that one video?

You have proved my point.

[zalinda]

15. And your point is..............people get turned off

by watching Kucinich? If he was well received, his videos would be popular, and they are not. If you watch one video and you don't like him, why would you watch more of him?

I don't have anyone in this race, so to speak. I am a registered Independent and so can not vote in the primary, which doesn't mean that I don't pay attention.

He was up against a field of his peers and he didn't impress me. If he gets the nomination, I would vote for him, but I wouldn't be thrilled. He sounded desperate at the debate and that is so not attractive.

zalinda

[penguin7]

24. This is not American Idol,

Based on your responses in this forum, you are not well enough informed to make a judgment.

You are in good company though. I would guess that at least 95% of America is not well enough informed to make a judgment.

Based on that debate alone, you could not really make a judgment about any of the candidates. These are deep, complex and important issues that face our country.

Half the questions in the youtube debate were insipid, there were too many candidates and there was very little of substance happening.

When Americans vote the great majority are truly ignorant. It takes a great deal of effort to be well informed. The mainstream media is doing a great disservice to our country.

[zalinda]

38. Honey, this isn't the first time he's running

I've looked at him before, and not much has changed. And thanks for calling me ignorant, I will truly melt at the sound of Kucinich's name now.

zalinda

[Greyhound]

27. Did you notice that not one of your responses addressed his ideas or his proposed plans?

"If you watch one video and you don't like him, why would you watch more of him?"

"He sounded desperate at the debate and that is so not attractive."


We always get the government we deserve...

[LWolf]

36. Well, that's a first, lol.

I've often found people scrambling for a reason to distance themselves from Dennis Kucinich. The reasons are generally shallow. There are very few who actually take issue with his position on the issues, and there is very little to debate about his record. So it's usually something about him being too short, too catholic, his diet, or other inconsequentials.

This is a first, I have to admit. The first I've heard of a candidate rejected because someone doesn't like the campaign commercial.

:rofl:

[MiserableFailure]

51. as i mentioned below,

his record on choice is certainly debatable. I find it inconceivable how someone can support Kucinich because he's been right on the war all along, give other candidates shit about changing their mind, but ignore the fact that Kucinich blatantly flip-flopped on abortion a year before he ran for president. I don't believe Kucinich and I feel like he was lying about his reason for changing stances.

[oldgrowth]

9. There to short

:sarcasm:

[Jillian]

10. The sad thing is that most Americans don't know much about him

and what he has been saying.

If they get their news from the MSM, all they know is that Hillary and Obama are running.
And maybe a little bit about Edwards.

It sucks.

[DurShar]

42. YOU HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD

You would have thought with him filing Articles of Impeachment against Cheney things would have changed and he would be in the news a bit more. But it did the total opposite and now what little media he was getting has abandoned him to.

[Freddie Stubbs]

47. Those who know him well don't support him either

He came in a distant third place in Ohio's 2004 Democratic primary.

[goodhue]

11. Maybe you should provide a link

So as to increase the views

I'm a huge fan of Dennis but being right is only part of the battle

[penguin7]

12. Link follows:

http://youtube.com/profile_videos?user=Kucinich2008

also

http://dennis4president.com/

[TruePatriot44]

13. They are all watching Ron Paul's videos n/t.

[zalinda]

16. Because he is the only repub that sounds sane n/t

[Progressive Friend]

29. Except for his support of laissez-faire capitalism...

and his opposition to the Civil War.

[Bryn]

14. I can't watch videos because they don't provide CC

Close captioning for the hearing impaired. But I am a strong supporter of Kucinich.

[Le Taz Hot]

17. I'll volunteer

to transcribe any (reasonable-length) video without CC. (I was a professional word typist/word processor many moons ago.) Feel free to e-mail me the link and I can post it on DU. Same goes for any of our hearing-impaired DUers.

[Bryn]

37. Thank you so much!

I am going to bookmark this thread :hi:

[LittleClarkie]

18. Isn't it alittle early to get discouraged?

And the impression you are giving me is that you're having a tantrum because YOUR candidate isn't getting enough attention. "I'm just going to take my ball and go if more people don't pay attention to Kucinich"

So if your candidate doesn't do well you're going just automatically go all jaded and cynical?

[penguin7]

28. It is more an issues thing

If this campaign is not about these issues, I will become jaded and cynical. These are the important issues.

Like is it really important whether the president talks to Fidel Castro?

[cobalt1999]

30. Prepare to be jaded and cynical

No presidential election is all about issues. Like it or not, image, organizational skills, charisma, the ability to communicate, and the ability to build relationships with organizations are probably more important than the issues a candidate espouses. Has been for a long time. If you haven't figured that out by now, then forget jaded, you've been naive.

[penguin7]

31. You forgot the ability to raise funds.

The most important one.

[Totally Committed]

21. I watched them all and thought they were good...

dry, but very good. They are not "slick", but really stick to the issues. I did, however, watch them over at YouTube, not here.

"How come with a Democratic congress, and the strong support that HR 676 has it is not being rammed through congress?"

Um, nothing that we, the people truly want is being "rammed through Congress". Nothing. Withdrawal from and end of occupation of Iraq? No. Impeachment of Cheney and/or Bush? Nuh-uh. Removal of Gonzalez? Nope. Endictment of Rove? Oh, no. So, why the hell would they break a sweat to give us single-payer universal not-for-profit healthcare? They are owned, operated, and dedicated to the service of Large Corporations and AIPAC, not us, their constituents.

Maybe you NEED to become just a bit more jaded and cynical. It's not easier, but at least after the frequent bouts of tears, you can see things as they TRULY are.

Keep talking these videos up to everyone you talk politics with. Send the links to everyone in your online address book. Do what you can do, and try and find as much peace as you can with that.

TC

[penguin7]

33. Thank you

Those are kind and thoughtful words.

It is hard not to become thoroughly frustrated. Especially in this forum as I assume the people here are more informed than the average voter.

I guess I should not forget that the members here also are more likely to have an agenda.

[treestar]

22. The election is so far off

Whatever the polls say now is practically meaningless.

[NoPasaran]

32. If people don't want to watch, it's hard to stop 'em.

[GreenArrow]

39. Hoag 2008!

.

[cleveramerican]

40. people are full of crap when they say .....

they want to hear about issues in a campaign. As soon as any candidate spends more than 5 minutes on any one topic(except the other candidates)most people tune it out. This has always been true and it shows no signs of changing anytime soon.After all is said and done people vote from their gut for who they like best, based more on instinct than any of us care to admit.

your lucky! most people START OUT CYNICAL.

[zalinda]

41. I'm not sure that's the case

Look at it this way. You could be the brightest person in the room, but if you can't command the attention of the room to listen to you, does it matter? If he can't command the attention of the electorate, how is he going to command as president? That's your gut instinct.

Just look at teachers, who is the best teacher, one who can get the student's attention, or one who may be smarter, but drones on and on.

The president will have many hats and one of them is COMMANDING respect from foreign leaders. Bush has been an embarrassment, the next president has to over come all the negativity and I don't think that Kucinich has that. He looks and talks like some one who could easily be bullied. And it has nothing to do with body image, he just doesn't exude confidence. Alan Ladd, (for those who don't know who he is, was a big Hollywood star in the 50's), was only about 5'5", and yet you never got the impression he was that slight of a man. That's your gut instinct.

zalinda

[LWolf]

43. Here's a 33 minute video that I really enjoyed:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sahi78rUGZ8

More time than he'll ever get from mainstream media or official debates, and well worth it, imo.

[rinsd]

45. You wouldn't be a fan of Kucinich if you were cynical and jaded

[RFKJrNews]

48. you know what I love about Kucinich?

He is the ONLY candidate to use the words "peace" and "love" in nearly every speech and interview he gives. He gives the peace sign at the end of each debate, rally, and public appearance.

At a time in our history when candidates say crazy s*%t like "I think we should DOUBLE the size of Guantanamo," "torture isn't really torture...these are just `enhanced interrogation techniques'," and "we need to support our troops by extending their tour of duty," a candidate talking about peace and love is a light in the darkness.

Yeah, I know a lot of you are probably rolling your eyes, thinking, "ugh. Peace and love? That's soooo 40 years ago."

Those two simple words, and the power behind them, changed a very sick and violent world 40 years ago. These words can change the world again.

Peace and love NEVER go out of style.


Please SIGN THE PETITION to Draft Robert F. Kennedy J.r for President!
http://RFKin2008.com

[Freddie Stubbs]

49. A preview of things to come

He won't be getting many votes in the primaries, either.

[MiserableFailure]

50. I don't like Kucinich's flip-flop on abortion

It happened right around the time he started to consider running for president:

Dennis Kucinich:

Voted YES on federal crime to harm fetus while committing other crimes.
Vote to pass a bill that would make it a federal crime to harm a fetus while committing any of 68 federal offenses or a crime under military law. Abortion doctors and women whose own actions harmed their fetuses would be exempt.
Reference: Bill sponsored by Graham, R-SC; Bill HR 503 ; vote number 2001-89 on Apr 26, 2001

Voted YES on banning partial-birth abortions.
HR 3660 would ban doctors from performing the abortion procedure called "dilation and extraction" . The measure would allow the procedure only if the life of the woman is at risk.
Reference: Bill sponsored by Canady, R-FL; Bill HR 3660 ; vote number 2000-104 on Apr 5, 2000

Voted YES on barring transporting minors to get an abortion.
The Child Custody Protection Act makes it a federal crime to transport a minor across state lines for the purpose of obtaining an abortion.
Reference: Bill sponsored by Ros-Lehtinen, R-FL; Bill HR 1218 ; vote number 1999-261 on Jun 30, 1999


Then he flip-flopped and voted against the PBA ban 3 years later:

Voted NO on banning partial-birth abortion except to save mother’s life.
Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act of 2003: Vote to pass a bill banning a medical procedure, which is commonly known as "partial-birth" abortion. The procedure would be allowed only in cases in which a women's life is in danger, not for cases where a women's health is in danger. Those who performed this procedure, would face fines and up to two years in prison, the women to whom this procedure is performed on are not held criminally liable.
Reference: Bill sponsored by Santorum, R-PA; Bill S.3 ; vote number 2003-530 on Oct 2, 2003

Kucinich can say that his journey was not politically motivated, but it happened a year before he started running for president. Up until that point, he was 100% anti-choice. I think he realized that he was going to be running to the left of most of the candidates in the primary, and he wouldn't be able to count on support from more liberal Democrats with a blatantly anti-choice record. Every time Kucinich brings up the mistakes of these candidates, I want whoever is being attacked by him to throw this in his face. Most primary voters don't know this about Kucinich but everyone needs to know. The guy was almost 60 years old when he changed his mind, this isn't simply someone growing up and changing their poltical views

[penguin7]

52. Reproductive Rights

Following is from Kucinich's website:
April 2006


Why have a Republican House and Senate never even offered one vote proposing a Constitutional Amendment banning abortion? If the issue were truly important to them as anything but a wedge issue, they would have. The truth is that Republicans have hidden from an honest up or down vote on abortion and will never allow one to take place in the Congress. Instead, they will continue fooling well-intentioned voters who feel strongly about abortion that they "feel their pain," when clearly they do not. Even if the Supreme Court were to do the unlikely and return abortion to the states, it would merely mean that the rich could travel to blue states for abortion, while the poor would have less access to terminating their pregnancies.

The fact is that most Americans, including myself, are uncomfortable with abortions and feel there are too many of them. At the same time, the vast majority of Americans recognize that there are circumstances in which a woman and her doctor should be allowed to make this most difficult decision without government intervention. To return to the days when woman could self-abort without penalty, but to imprison doctors who would help them, seems senseless, especially recognizing that a new abortion law would likely become known as "The Abortions for the Rich-Only Bill."

I have a plan to reduce abortions by encouraging family planning, including abstinance training, combined with a full economic and health care plan that would clearly alleviate the number of abortions. Voters have a choice: Choose Republican rhetoric that will never allow the issue to come to a vote or a real plan to reduce the number of abortions with a program of economic justice. Factually, all the Republican rhetoric and phony issues surrounding abortion have never directly addressed the legality of abortion and have had no or negilible impact on the number of abortions.

[MiserableFailure]

53. Congrats, you know how to post a few paragraphs

which have absolutely nothing to do with my point that it's my opinion and the opinion of others that he flip flopped on this issue for political expediency. Why does Kucinich get a pass on this while other candidates are hammered for their flip flops(Hillary, etc)? I guess the reason is that Kucinich has no shot at winning and is basically irrelevant, so the major candidates don't want to bother getting in spats with him.

So Kucinich can talk a lot and put up cute little paragraphs on abortion. big deal. he voted for years to criminalize abortion.

[Nederland]

54. Kucinich bills are not getting votes either

That's why I don't like him. I want a President who knows how to get things done. Kucinich has a long record of being unable to get anything done. Period end of story.