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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-29-07 10:13 PM
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Jim Webb speaks of his grandparents in Arkansas during the depression..
I remember my grandparents speaking of those hard times. This hit home with me.

Sen. Jim Webb is talking about his mother's family, which lived in hardscrabble eastern Arkansas during the Great Depression and was so poor "there was nothing -- not even money." The Democrats built their party around such people, Webb is saying, while the Republicans never cared about them.


Jim Webb and the Populist Pitch

He then quotes a little from the group Alabama's Song of the South.

"Well somebody told us Wall Street fell,

But we were so poor that we couldn't tell.

Cotton was short and the weeds were tall.

But Mr. Roosevelt's a-gonna save us all."


Webb worries though that many Democrats at the top are not getting the message. It is good to hear him speaking out.

That kind of populist anger is part of the Democrats' past, and Webb argues that it's the party's future as well. But he worries that "the people at the top of the party don't comprehend the power of that message" and that as a result the Democrats may miss their best chance in a generation to reconnect with the American middle class.

"The Democrats need to embrace the fact that the greatest issue in America today is economic fairness," he says. He argues that if the Democrats construct a "fairness agenda" that tilts toward workers and away from corporations and the rich, "they will win big." John Edwards hasn't had much luck so far with the issue, which he has made the centerpiece of his presidential campaign. But some influential Democrats, including former Treasury secretary Lawrence Summers, share the focus on fairness.


Webb has had harsh words before for Rubinomics (as in Robert Rubin).

Rejecting the Rubin wing of the party.

"He criticized what he called 'the Rubin wing of the Democratic Party,' after Robert E. Rubin, former President Bill Clinton's Treasury secretary, saying those Democrats share the same problem as many Republicans: 'We're not paying attention to what has happened to basic working people in the country.' He said of the freshman Senate Democrats, six of them take a 'populist' view, and said they are bringing needed reinforcements to the Senate: 'We've got a number of us that pretty well see the economic issues the same way. I think that's the Democratic Party of the future."


More lyrics from Song of the South

Cotton on the roadside, cotton in the ditch.
We all picked the cotton but we never got rich.
Daddy was a veteran, a southern democrat.
They oughta get a rich man to vote like that.

...."Well momma got sick and daddy got down.
The county got the farm and they moved to town.
Pappa got a job with the tva
He bought a washing machine and then a chevrolet.


I think we are in great danger of doing away with social safety nets in this country. I think Jim Webb is aware of that tendency even in our own party, and I thank him for that.

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rubberducky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-29-07 10:18 PM
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1. I think that the last elections brought us some very, very good dems.
I think we will be hearing much more from our new dems in the years to come.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-29-07 10:19 PM
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2. If we don't tear them all down.
Edited on Sun Jul-29-07 10:22 PM by madfloridian
Just kidding. I guess.
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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-29-07 10:27 PM
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3. LOL, I understand :)
KnR for our Good Dems :toast:
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rubberducky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-29-07 10:36 PM
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5. IMHO We need to just let them be, but
in reality they will probably get raked over the coals for every vote that we don`t agree with.
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OHdem10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-29-07 11:21 PM
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10. Our Party has begun to excell at "seizing Defeat from the
jaws of Victory.

The Party would be very wise to listen to Webb. He is
correct and doubly correct on this one.

We are in for serious changes in our future. Globalization
and Free Trade policies, along with technologiical changes
will create 40,000,000 job dilocations. Alan Blinder, Ex V.Chm Fed RES.

Just this past week Charley Rose had a writer The ELEPHANT and
THE DRAGON. Her book treats the rise of India and China.
As she talked she explained : Americans can no longer earn 10 times
the salary of workers in other parts of the world.

Right after the last Cong. Elections, Bush gave a speech on
state of economy. Senator Schumer simultaneously had a hearing
letting Alan Blinder, Larry Sommers, Robert Rubin give their
picture of our coming economy including now. The picture
was grim--let me tell you. These 3 all stated need for
a Safety net even larger we have now. Even Rubin did not
dissent. Rubin has the inclination to say Education is the
answer. Commonsense tells you Education is a long term
approach--what do the people who have lost jobs do now.
Education is good for those coming along but Blinder and
Sommers said we need Unemployment Insurance.

Have you noticed we have had all this time, HRC and Obama
do not mention Globalization or Trade. The Debates do not
cover Globazation, Trade and Technology.
There are winners and losers. US will have a lot of losers.

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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-29-07 11:27 PM
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11. Rubin had too much exclusive access to the freshman Dems..
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/745

One reason I am glad to see Webb keep on speaking out on this.
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-29-07 10:28 PM
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4. I could see Webb on the ticket with either Obama or Edwards.
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Bozita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-29-07 10:45 PM
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6. ain't nothing like a guy with GOP creds singing populist songs.
Remembering where you came from can be a virtue.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-29-07 10:49 PM
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7. Ain't it the truth.
There was so much poverty, just utter poverty, in the 30s. I am so glad my parents and grandparents shared the stories with us. I am writing some "memoirs"...or should I say memories (I think of memoirs being for fancy folks).

I am including some of the stories so our kids won't forget. They need to remember.
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-29-07 10:50 PM
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8. um, didn't he used to be a Republican? n/t
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-29-07 10:55 PM
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9. He was in Reagan's administration.
But in many ways he is more Democratic that some of our own on the right wing of the party. I don't agree with all of his views, but this one gets him a lot of points with me.
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draft_mario_cuomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-29-07 11:59 PM
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12. Thanks for posting. K & R. On to the greatest page this goes! nt
Edited on Sun Jul-29-07 11:59 PM by draft_mario_cuomo
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monmouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-30-07 05:31 AM
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13. They need to re-watch "Grapes of Wrath" - Good lesson there....eom
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-30-07 08:46 AM
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14. When did Jim Webb say all this?
He's spot on.

This line from a lyric has personal meaning to me:

"Well somebody told us Wall Street fell,

But we were so poor that we couldn't tell.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-30-07 10:19 PM
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19. Looks it was a interview in his office last week.
I had to read the article again to catch it.

"Webb is a quirky, sometimes cranky ex-Marine who is just settling into his new digs in the Russell Senate Office Building, where we met for a conversation last week."

Since the article is dated June 28, must have been the week before. But isn't that late for settling into a senate office?
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-31-07 05:42 AM
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22. LOL!
You've got a sharp eye and a suspicious mind. My kind of gal. LOL!
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-30-07 08:53 AM
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15. Jim Webb's one of my favorite Senators
I always have to put out the disclaimer that I don't agree with him on every policy. Far from it. But I *trust* him. That maybe counts for more. There's a lot of 'too slick' out there. He isn't.

Yeah, I know. He used to be a Republican.

So was I.

I changed and grew and evolved over the decades. So did he. I can relate to that.
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-30-07 09:09 AM
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16. I heard Rubin on NPR recently...
He was "giving both sides" on the economy with a neocon economist. It was like Republican Light debating with Extra-Heavy-Duty-Republican.

Glad they had a caller point that out but of course the two put as a "we're obviously the experts" and laughte the caller off.
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SharonAnn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-30-07 10:09 AM
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17. "Pappa got a job with the tva" Hmm, that's a government job
TVA was developed tocontrol flooding and provide electricity for "Economic Development" of an impoverished area.

Definitely a government job for the benefit of workers and businesses.

So, he "He bought a washing machine and then a chevrolet." Sounds like it worked for him and for businesses.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-30-07 11:01 AM
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18. And a strong middle class began to be born...
which now is being undermined.

I had a site I found with stories of people who worked for and put their lives together with the help of those programs. The site had their personal accounts, and even audio in some cases.

I have it somewhere in my files.
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PoconoPragmatist Donating Member (449 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-30-07 10:34 PM
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20. I'd Recommend, But Too Late!!
I wish more Democrats would get this message!

We workers are pissed off!!
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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-30-07 10:47 PM
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21. This is refreshing,
thanks for posting Madflo. (It's too late to recommend unfortunately.)
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