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leftist. Donating Member (740 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-30-07 08:56 AM
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Any talk here at DU about this NYTimes OpEd piece?
The hate radio crowd (or at least the two I've heard so far today) is going on and on about this piece, found here:

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/30/opinion/30pollack.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

I hardly see it as significant, and it certainly isn't as glowing as I originally heard it portrayed on right wing radio earlier this morning ... seems much ado about nothing to me.

Any discussion so far? Is it even anything important?
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beastieboy Donating Member (288 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-30-07 09:01 AM
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1. Great, I hope they stabilize the place. Either way, it doesn't matter.
We still need to get out. When we do, success will be judged by what happens when we leave. It would seem to me and most rational people, that this whole exercise has invigorated jihadists and probably strengthened al queda twofold.
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-30-07 02:05 PM
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7. Hi Beastieboy!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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lazer47 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-30-07 09:11 AM
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2. The only "important" thing to come out of this article
is the Bullsh** stinks more on Monday than on Sunday (a non-news day)
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leftist. Donating Member (740 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-30-07 09:20 AM
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3. Haha, good point.
I admit, I first heard about it on the radio ... lots of praise, lots of turn-the-corner bullshit, "And this is from LIBERALS". But when I got here and read it, it just didn't seem like much. I'm very happy that it took them four years to get a handful of cities somewhat stabilized ... so happy in fact that I'm punching myself in the teeth!
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lazer47 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-30-07 09:26 AM
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4. We have turned the corner so many times we are now going in circles
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-30-07 09:38 AM
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5. It's important because it will be cited by the Bush administration, R's to keep us in Iraq.
Edited on Mon Jul-30-07 09:39 AM by flpoljunkie
Ken Pollack is married to CNN's Congressional correspondent, Andrea Koppel, and is credited by many for convincing many Democrats to vote for the Iraq War resolution. He and his co-author also do not tell you that they both initially supported the surge, as well.
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leftist. Donating Member (740 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-30-07 09:57 AM
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6. WOW Great information, thank you!
Thank you SO MUCH for replying to my thread! I didn't know any of the information you posted, so even though this thread will likely die, at least I learned something from it!

Thank you again!
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leftist. Donating Member (740 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-31-07 01:42 PM
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8. I'm bumping this once because this story is all over the place today.
I caught it yesterday morning and since then it's become ubiquitous on hate radio and cable shows. "Even the liberals are now saying we are winning!" and "Liberals are finally admitting that Bush was right". Nuts to that. I'm looking around for other threads here at DU but in the meantime I wanted to bump this once to see if there's any conversation going on.
Thanks!
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welshTerrier2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-31-07 01:53 PM
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9. two American hawks do not the truth make
consider these two articles ...

source: http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2007/07/30/2860/

Iraq: One in Seven Joins Human Tide Spilling into Neighbouring Countries

Two thousand Iraqis are fleeing their homes every day. It is the greatest mass exodus of people ever in the Middle East and dwarfs anything seen in Europe since the Second World War. Four million people, one in seven Iraqis, have run away, because if they do not they will be killed. Two million have left Iraq, mainly for Syria and Jordan, and the same number have fled within the country.

Yet, while the US and Britain express sympathy for the plight of refugees in Africa, they are ignoring - or playing down- a far greater tragedy which is largely of their own making.0730 08

The US and Britain may not want to dwell on the disasters that have befallen Iraq during their occupation but the shanty towns crammed with refugees springing up in Iraq and neighbouring countries are becoming impossible to ignore. <skip>


and this one ...

source: http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2007/07/31/2887/

Children Hardest Hit by Humanitarian Crisis in Iraq

The number of Iraqi children who are born underweight or suffer from malnutrition has increased sharply since the US-led invasion, according to a report by Oxfam and a network of about 80 aid agencies.

The report describes a nationwide catastrophe, with around 8 million Iraqis - almost a third of the population - in need of emergency aid. Many families have dropped out of the food rationing system because they have been displaced by fighting and sectarian conflict. Others suffer from the collapse in basic services caused by the exodus of doctors and hospital staff. <skip>

“The fighting and weak institutions mean there are severe limits on what humanitarian work can be carried out,” said Jeremy Hobbs, the director of Oxfam International, yesterday as the report, Rising to the Humanitarian Challenge in Iraq, was published. <skip>

At least 4 million Iraqis depend on food assistance, but a third of those who have had to flee their homes in the last year cannot get subsidised rations because they are not registered in a new home. The report urges the government to give the homeless temporary identity cards to allow them to get food.

It calls on western donor governments, which have shifted money out of humanitarian assistance towards reconstruction, to reverse that trend. Most development projects have been forced to slow down or stop anyway, whereas aid money can be spent effectively - and the need is dire.

Forty-three percent of Iraqis are in “absolute poverty”, partly because of a 50% unemployment rate. Basic services in 2003 were poor after a decade of sanctions and under-investment by the Saddam Hussein regime. But they have worsened since. The number of Iraqis without access to adequate water supplies, for example, has risen from 50% in 2003 to 70% now.

Eighty percent lack effective sanitation, and diarrhoeal diseases have increased. Most homes in Baghdad and other cities have only two hours of electricity a day.

Children are suffering the most, with 92% showing learning difficulty because of the pervasive climate of fear. More than 800,000 have dropped out of school, because they now live in camps for the displaced or because schools have had to be taken over to shelter the homeless.

Around 40% of Iraq’s teachers, water engineers, medical staff and other professionals have left the country since 2003.
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