The US had plans to overthrow 7 nations only 9 days after 9/11 - Gen Clark

[youngdem]

I don't know if I just missed this video when it came out, but Clark here talks about his trip to the Pentagon and which SIX additional countries he found out Bushco wanted to bomb.

This is not earth shaking to many here, but I had not heard the list, including a strange pair of surprises, from such a reputable source (Clark) from the horse's mouth (the Pentagon).

http://videoblazer.net/videoblazer/index.php?option=com_seyret&task=videodirectlink&id=1503,

[Suich]

1. I've never heard that before!

Absolutely chilling!

:scared:

[Catchawave]

2. Do you think if this was true, we would have known about it ?

I'm not familiar with your source, so can you back this "claim" up with a more reliable resource. Thanks :hi:

[youngdem]

3. It's an actual video of a former US general recounting a meeting at the Pentagon

Sooooooo, no, I can't do any better than ACTUAL VIDEO FOOTAGE of the ACTUAL WITNESS recounting the event. :eyes:

I must have misplaced my spycam video from inside the office of the Pentagon officer on the other side of the conversation. :eyes:

Did you even watch the video?

What are you even asking me for? The source is a video.

[Catchawave]

6. So Shelton was right?

http://www.newyorker.com/archive/2003/11/17/031117fa_fact

[FrenchieCat]

12. No Edwards' GOP Military advisor Shelton was wrong when he smeared Clark, and so was Boyer,

who wrote the smear piece....

please note: http://www.rapidfire-silverbullets.com/2007/01/the_new_yorkers_general_clarks.html

"The problem with the article is not only did it provide false information on Wes Clark's battles with the Pentagon during the War in Kosovo, but as importantly, the views espoused in the story were blatantly biased and one sided. The truth was that the author was shown to have a clear agenda against the General.

There were quite a few questions posed to Mr. Boyers by other (more) respectable authors, but he never bothered to answer:

First from Fred Kaplan over at Slate:
Defending the General
The New Yorker's unfair slam on Wes Clark and his role in the Kosovo war.
By Fred Kaplan
Posted Thursday, Nov. 13, 2003, at 7:13 PM ET
snip
Kosovo was the United States' first post-Cold War experiment in "humanitarian intervention." Clark, who was the U.S. Supreme Allied Commander in Europe (and who, before that, had been a military aide in the Dayton negotiations over Bosnia), supported going to war in order to protect the Kosovars from the savagery of Serbian leader Slobodan Milosevic. Secretary of Defense William Cohen and the entire Joint Chiefs of Staff, who had no taste for interventions of practically any sort, opposed it. That much, Boyer has right. But much else, he does not.
more
http://www.slate.com/id/2091194/

Then Matthew Yglesias writing in the Prospect also stepped in....

Boyer Plate Who is New Yorker staff writer Peter Boyer -- and why is he after Wesley Clark?
By Matthew Yglesias Web Exclusive: 11.14.03
This week's New Yorker contains a profile of Wesley Clark with a striking thesis -- that the general's "military career, the justification for his candidacy, may also be a liability."
snip
Boyer appears to have made something of a career for himself as a conservative interloper at otherwise liberal media outlets. Back in 1992, his sympathetic profile of Rush Limbaugh for Vanity Fair drew praise from the conservative Media Research Center as being "fair." In 1997, as a Frontline correspondent, Boyer promoted one of the more obscure "scandals" of the Clinton years in a show (titled "The Fixers") based around an allegation that Commerce Secretary Ron Brown had been involved in a complicated scheme to convince a Hawaiian couple to buy an Oklahoma natural gas company. An independent counsel appointed to investigate the matter filed no charges against Brown.
more
http://www.prospect.org/cs/articles?articleId=1383

If you read these two articles in full, you'll understand that the New Yorker Article was a "Smear" job on Wes Clark and nothing more.

[Donna Zen]

15. Peter Boyer and Hugh Shelton?

Is that who you consider authorities to back up your trash ideas. Those guys are big-time wingnuts. Boyer loved bashing the Clintons, and Hugh Shelton loves, loves, loves this war. He thought it was a grand idea, and for a RedCap lobbyist it was. If one considers selling out the country for millions of dollars, then Hugh Shelton's your kinda guy.

I hadn't realized that you supported bush's war or the people that made it possible. Learn something new everyday.

[Donna Zen]

4. Heh?

Please read the PNAC documents. Although the orginal plans date back to 1992 (read: Pretext For War.)

[Catchawave]

8. Wha?

Are you saying Clark didn't warn Congress ?

[FrenchieCat]

14. They Called him insane......

Clark's conspiracy theories:
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/003/445cqeal.asp

more on that.....
http://www.rapidfire-silverbullets.com/2006/12/wes_clark_and_pnac_project_for.html
Clark has made his charge a central plank of his presidential campaign. Clark writes in his book, "Winning Modern Wars," that in November 2001, during a visit to the Pentagon, he spoke with "a man with three stars who used to work for me," who told him a "five-year plan" existed for military action against not only Afghanistan and Iraq, but also "Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Iran, Somalia, and Sudan." Clark has embellished this story on the campaign trail, going so far as to say, "There's a list of countries."

Clark's proof? None. He never saw the list. But, the general recently told the Arkansas Democrat-Gazette, "You only have to listen to the gossip around Washington and to hear what the neoconservatives are saying, and you will get the flavor of this."

You probably get the flavor of what Wesley Clark is saying, too. It tastes, as THE SCRAPBOOK pointed out three weeks ago, like baloney. And sometimes, as in the case of yesterday's interview with Blitzer, it tastes like three-week-old baloney.
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Clark in 2003 on this - http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1842
To Rolling Stone - http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/5937568/is_wesley_clark_the_one
To the NYT - http://tinyurl.com/ljxz2
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Clark in 2004 on this - http://www.ashbrook.org/publicat/oped/owens/04/clark.html
To OPen Democracy - http://www.opendemocracy.net/debates/article-2-103-1868.jsp
To Washington Monthly - http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2004/0405.clark.html
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Clark in 2006 on Video about this - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6A0dG9mtno
at the U of Indiana - http://securingamerica.com/printready/Univ_Alabama_061013.htm
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[Donna Zen]

16. Clark did warn congress

however, some congressmen decided not to listen and instead hired assholes like Hugh Shelton aka war mongering liar.

[CarolNYC]

19. Yep...

Short of taking them and knocking them upside the head (which, considering all the damage that's been done, perhaps he should have), not sure what Clark was supposed to do about the likes of those who chose to partner up with folks like the war-loving Shelton rather than listen to the General's wise counsel. I guess if you support the war so strongly that the Bush White House features your writings on their website, you don't really want to be bothered by anything that might suggest the war's not such a great idea, no matter who's saying it.

[Schema Thing]

20. Isn't there a web site with the initials F.R. just made for your posting style?

[youngdem]

18. I have read them.

I don't recall ANYTHING about Libya and Sudan.

[TomInTib]

5. Hell, Feith wanted to bomb several Central and South American countries.

"They'll never see it coming".

True story.

[TeamJordan23]

7. I cannot listen to the video right now, what are the six countries? nm

[Alexander]

9. Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and finally Iran.

[AX10]

21. I can believe that.

Bush is a kook.

[Bobbieo]

10. I can't either - 6 countries, please.

[Alexander]

11. See post #9.

Apart from Iraq, the targets were Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and finally Iran.

Maybe they're short-circuiting their plans.

[CGowen]

13. OK, Afghanistan and Iraq were planned before 911

the Lebanon war went not so good for Israel

and for Somalia the US used Ethiopia
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=5636


Sudan and Syria are probably still on the list,
while Iran is handled by low intensity proxy war by MEQ,PKK and Jundullah and it's just a question of time when the war will start.

The largest and most well known of the anti-government organizations is Mujahedin-e Khalq (MEK), operating out of Iraq. For years MEQ had launched cross-border attacks and terrorist acts against Iran with the support of Saddam Hussein. Officially designated a terrorist organization by the U.S. State Department in 1997, and disarmed of heavy weaponry by the U.S. military six years later, Washington has since come to view MEK in a different light. Three years ago, U.S. intelligence officials suggested looking the other way as the MEK rearmed and to use the organization to destabilize Iran, a recommendation that clearly has been accepted. (2)

http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?itemid=12410

As earlier reported on the Blotter on ABCNews.com, the United States has supported and encouraged an Iranian militant group, Jundullah, that has conducted deadly raids inside Iran from bases on the rugged Iran-Pakistan-Afghanistan "tri-border region."

U.S. officials deny any "direct funding" of Jundullah groups but say the leader of Jundullah was in regular contact with U.S. officials.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2007/05/bush_authorizes.html

Libya is probably postponed for some time

Libya-US ties warming, some issues remain-Gaddafi son
http://africa.reuters.com/wire/news/usnL30833519.html

Libya: France Overlooks Tripoli's Past 'Rogue' Status In Nuclear Aid Offer

By Breffni O'Rourke

July 26, 2007 (RFE/RL) -- French President Nicolas Sarkozy's visit to Tripoli on July 25 produced a number of economic agreements. One of the most unusual is a memorandum of understanding on the construction of a water-desalination plant powered by nuclear energy.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/news/libya/2007/libya-070726-rferl01.htm

[FrenchieCat]

17. Please see......

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3415350