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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-31-07 05:06 PM
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Republicans trying to steal 2008 now...ballot measure to split California Electoral Vote...
By Congressional district...

If this passes, Republicans are guaranteed the White House in 2008



Is California Poised To Be Next State To Split EVs Proportionally? Add to Hotlist

by Todd Beeton, Tue Jul 31, 2007 at 05:05:10 PM EST

Last week, Jerome reported that North Carolina is likely to become the third state (after Maine and Nebraska) to award its electoral votes proportionally according to the candidates' performance in each of the state's congressional districts (2 EVs go to the statewide winner, 1EV goes to the winner of each congressional district.) Jerome suspects it could swing between 3 and 8 of NC's 15 EVs the Democrat's way, which could be decisive.

Take 2004. Bush beat Kerry in 2004 by 34 EVs, which means Kerry needed to win just 18 more to become president. Let's say in 2008 the Democrat wins all Kerry states in addition to New Mexico (5 EVs) and Iowa (7 EVs,) which seem like likely pickups. That brings the Democrat to within 10EVs of victory, which means just 6 of NC's EVs would send him or her over the top (Dems currently serve in 7 of the state's 13 congressional disctricts.) So, sounds good right? Well, what's good for the goose...Now California wants to get in on the act.

A Republican-backed ballot proposal could split left-leaning California between the Democratic and GOP nominees, tilting the 2008 presidential election in favor of the Republicans.

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"If this change is made, it will virtually guarantee that a Republican wins the White House in 2008," Lehane said in an e-mail.

Nineteen of the state's 53 congressional districts are represented by Republicans. President Bush carried 22 districts in 2004, while losing the statewide vote by double digits.

The difference here is that the California proposal is not going through the legislature as the North Carolina measure did, rather it has been filed for one of CA's 2008 ballots (if it gets enough signatures) for approval by voters. Democrats control both houses of the legislature in California, so, as with so many issues, Republicans have no choice but to bypass the legislative process and go directly to the voters via a ballot measure system that is deeply flawed. The good news is that in recent years the public's default position on ballot measures has been "No;" the bad news is that if the measure does make the ballot, Democrats would be forced to spend millions of dollars to defeat it.

Also see RDemocrat's diary HERE as well as Julia's post at Calitics, which elaborates on how this really is just business as usual for California Republicans (although it should be noted that Schwarzenegger and the California Republican Party deny any involvement in the measure -- believe what you will.)


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poverlay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-31-07 05:20 PM
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1. I hope the Dems are smart enough to fight this tooth and nail. I doubt it, but you never know...nt
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-31-07 05:44 PM
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2. My guess this would be seen for what it is by the voters...
A ploy by Republicans to steal the White House...but you never know...and its gonna take resources to fight it...
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trashcanistanista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-31-07 06:04 PM
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3. I agree with you, voters will see
through it. Californians have a track record on this. I don't think it has a chance. But yeah, you never know.
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welshTerrier2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-31-07 06:07 PM
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4. for additional info and analysis ...
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-31-07 06:16 PM
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5. Good idea if all the states did it at once...
But this is just a naked grab for power by the Republicans...knowing them, they would get it passed, take the White House, then sponsor a referendum to switch it back before 2012...
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welshTerrier2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-31-07 06:20 PM
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6. exactly ...
maybe the Dems should push for district-by-district electors in some of the "red" states ... how about Texas for starters??

all I know is that the Cali initiative better fail.
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earthlover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-31-07 07:17 PM
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7. I think many of us will not even pay attention to this, so focussed on impeachment
So, folks....good news and bad news....good news is that we almost impeached Bush...bad news is that California's electoral votes will be split, giving the Reps the White House forever....

WOW! Aren't we smart??

FIGHT THIS!!!!
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-31-07 08:12 PM
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8. No way in Hell will I support this proposal in any state.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-01-07 08:09 AM
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9. K&R
We need to keep this topic available for all to read...
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Auggie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-01-07 07:17 PM
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10. Ballot initiative! One can only imagine the LIES and DECEPTIONS they'll use
to try to get it passed.

And the kicker: "The bad news is that if the measure does make the ballot, Democrats would be forced to spend millions of dollars to defeat it." That's money that could be used in much more constructive ways.

I HATE THESE GOP PRICKS!
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