People supporting Hillary, Biden, Dodd, Edwards

[CTLawGuy]

should STFU with all the outrage about "invasion". First off, Obama never said he was going to invade Pakistan a la Iraq.

Second, your candidates VOTED to ACTUALLY invade a sovereign country. So I don't get how you can have THAT much of a problem with Obama's policy.

[Captain Hilts]

1. Isn't it kind of early in the morning to be this angry? Act nice. nt

[MaineDem]

2. Never mind, I deleted it

It was calm but I'm better off not getting involved.

[The Count]

3. I'm with you on this one.

The right issue to be angry about.

[MethuenProgressive]

4. "STFU"? Obama's supporters are his shortcoming.

"If we have actionable intelligence about high-value terrorist targets and President Musharraf won't act, we will.... There must be no safe-haven for terrorists who threaten America. We cannot fail to act because action is hard."
I like what he said. Too bad his supporters can only muster "STFU!" as a pro-Obama argument.

[Bitwit1234]

5. Golly for about the last six or seven months

every single one of the Obama supporters have bashed, slurred, swiftboated Hillary Clinton over and over again. And how many times have they posted about Edwards. Now they got their pants in a wrinkle because someone posted something negative about Obama.

Well all I can say if you can't stand the "heat" get out of the kitchen. Those that can dish it out, sure can't take it.

[Ethelk2044]

7. The Difference Obama did not say Invade a Country. He wants us out of Iraq

We should never have gone in Iraq. We should have been in Afghan. But we took our eyes off the ball. All candidates agree with Obama's summation. Biden was on MSNBC yesterday and he stated he agreed with Obama's four points. Hillary called in to CNN and said the samething Edwards agreed with Obama. Richard Clark and Lee Hamilton both agreed. We are fighting in Iraq. Iraq did not attack us. We should have been in Afghan all along.

[nevergiveup]

9. You do realize

there are Obama supporters here who do not trash Hillary? Like in everything else, the screamers, hyper-ventilators and bashers, get all the attention. Every day at work I end up defending Hillary. I think she would be a good president. I just don't think she can win.

[Ethelk2044]

6. I agree with you on this ONE Also Their Candidates are saying Obama is Correct

Lee Hamilton and Richard Clark agrees with him as well.

[Jersey Devil]

8. Obama and all the candidates need to be tested (edited)

If you think the criticism here is too harsh then just wait until Obama gets the nomination (if that happens) and the Republicans use the same material to nail him to the wall.

All the candidates have to run the gauntlet and if they can survive it then they will be worthy of the nomination. If not then someone else must be nominated or the Democrats will not win in the general election.

I haven't made up my mind yet, but I do think that Obama screwed up big time with his speech. Even though I agree that he did not say he'd "invade" Pakistan, he and his campaign should have known how his statement would be handled by the media. That they did not demonstrates to me that maybe they are not ready for prime time.

Maybe he can survive it and maybe he can't. He is going to have to prove to me that he can get out of jams like this unscathed and, if he can do that then he may very well be the one.

Right now he is making the other candidates look like statesmen.

On edit - The other screwup by Obama is that he has managed to change the subject from criticism of Bush policies to a debate about a possible war involving Pakistan, something that Republicans are already loving and that promises to be a total distraction in the general election. Imagine! With all the screwups by Bush the debate is now about invading Pakistan by the Dem potential nominee. I bet all the Repubs are going to send Obama a gift for that one. McCain is already on the case:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3421526

[beachmom]

10. Not to mention that this essentially sides these folks with MCCAIN!!! n/t

[saltpoint]

11. I think we should invade shopping malls and convert them to public

parks.

Plant some trees, spreads of blooming bushes and flowers, maybe a statue garden.

Some benches so people can sit and enjoy the afternoon.

That sort of thing.

[wyldwolf]

12. darboy, it isn't outrage about "invasion". It's the hypocrisy

A week ago if you'd run the words Obama said past his supporters, they would have been outraged. The very people on DU and elsewhere who toss around words like "neocon" and "war mongerer" in regards to Clinton, Biden, Edwards, etc. are now justifying Obama's words.

In addition, it does appear to be pandering to centrists and consevatives of the party. Again - no big issue except the very ones who support Obama are the one who whine about Clinton, etc., pandering.

It's the hypocrisy.

[Skip Intro]

13. hear, hear.

instead of the audacity of hope we have the arrogance of hypocrisy

[erpowers]

14. Very Right

You are very right. I was going to post something similart to what you posted. The Hillary supporters are not upset that Obama said it and his like what he said. They are upset that if Hillary had said the same thing before Obama said he the Obama supporters would have been kicking and screaming about how horrible Hillary is. In addition, these are the same people who were criticizing Hillary for not being willing to jump into talks with foreign countries. It just seems that many Obama supporters never want to call him out on the things he says, but cannot wait to call out the other candidates on what they say. So, yes it is the hypocrisy.

[rinsd]

16. Bingo!

Some Obama supporters(and I am careful to use the word some, the offenders know who they are) were calling Hillary Bush-lite because she said she would not talk to our enemies without preconditions.

Their guy comes out and says I will kill Al Queda whether Pakistan agrees or not and they can barely contain themselves to praise it.

Its not like this was the first time. I've had at least two Obama supporters moan about Hillary and flag burning until they were shown that Obama has the EXACT SAME position.

[Skip Intro]

15. Oh I LOVE a thread that tells people to STFU.

It is time to turn the page. When I am President, we will wage the war that has to be won, with a comprehensive strategy with five elements: getting out of Iraq and on to the right battlefield in Afghanistan and Pakistan; developing the capabilities and partnerships we need to take out the terrorists and the world's most deadly weapons; engaging the world to dry up support for terror and extremism; restoring our values; and securing a more resilient homeland.


Homer says, "the homeland, arrrgarrgarrg..."

[AtomicKitten]

17. I haven't had enough caffeine today to digest a STFU. (nt)

[DutchLiberal]

18. The only candidate who has the credibility & integrity to criticize other candidates' foreign policy

is Dennis Kucinich. He is the only one who not only voted consistently against the invasion of Iraq and the funding of the war, but also developed an idea of foreign policy based on 'strength through peace', working with the world community and banning war as an instrument of policy.

[TwilightGardener]

19. ...

:rofl:

[DutchLiberal]

20. ...

:eyes:

[quinnox]

21. Same to you

Jesus, first there is a thread saying I don't want Bin Laden captured (simply because I support Clinton) and now this!

You Obama supporters aren't making friends among Clinton supporters.

[draft_mario_cuomo]

22. Your OP is indicative of the double standard Obama fans have on this

When your candidate is called a "warmonger", "neocon", "Bush-lite", etc. you guys scream bloody murder. Yet, every single day Team Obama says the same things about Hillary and Edwards...

P.S. This is a long primary season. Relax. Things will only get worse as the primaries approach. Obama will be there when it counts. :hi: