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BlackHawk706867 Donating Member (670 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-02-07 12:49 PM
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BLACKWATER Private Army: Don't know how many of you at DU have
done much research on this group, but it is very scary shit indeed. If you go to YouTube and do a search on Blackwater and watch a few of the videos it will certainly scare the hell out of you. Also do a google of this company! Were in deep shit here!

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Sequoia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-02-07 12:50 PM
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1. Indeed!
I have. Read the book, it's scarier.
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ellacott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-02-07 01:04 PM
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8. I plan on buying the book
I've heard Jeremy Scahill on TV. He's very intelligent.
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Rick Myers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-02-07 01:08 PM
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11. The book is excellent
Blackwater is a very slimy bunch of Reich-wing crazies. Did you know Blackwater deployed to New Orleans without being asked?
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ellacott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-02-07 01:12 PM
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12. Yes, I heard him talk about that
I think he said they were getting paid $300 a day but billing the govt. $900 a day.
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1776Forever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-02-07 12:50 PM
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2. Please check my post on the 3 Billion Dollars Blackwater Will Share In
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BlackHawk706867 Donating Member (670 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-02-07 01:05 PM
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10. Yep, I read your post when you posted it, and have since been doing
some more research on this company. This does not look good in view of the recent shit coming out of the WH... Don't mean to try and be an alarmist, but I know I am not at all comfortable with this...

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Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-02-07 12:51 PM
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3. I propose we leave the bastards behind when we bugout of Iraq.
Good Riddance!
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-02-07 12:52 PM
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4. I'm guessing they murdered Tillman too..
On orders of the President and the Pentagon.
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ellacott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-02-07 01:05 PM
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9. Wow, you may be on to something
I never thought about that.
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fed-up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-02-07 01:33 PM
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15. and don't forget to include all the Iraqis shot "execution style"---nt
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-02-07 12:52 PM
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5. I have been researching now and then. Also, KB&R.
They shouldn't be part of our government. They are no bid contractors, which isn't legal I don't believe. I think laws were passed so we wouldn't get the equivalent of the SA or SS in this country, but it seems to be happening.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-02-07 12:59 PM
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6. and they are just one...
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NativeTexan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-02-07 01:04 PM
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7. I dunno...LET THESE HIGHLY PAID.......
.........mercenaries fight the damned Iraqi's as far as I'm concerned. GET the KIDS of the armed services OUT OF THERE!! And let Blackwater take care of its own......but do it WITHOUT TAX MONEY!
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-02-07 01:31 PM
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13. here's a few articles I rounded up..

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/12/04/AR2006120401311_pf.html
Census Counts 100,000 Contractors In Iraq
Civilian Number, Duties Are Issues
By Renae Merle
Washington Post
December 5, 2006
There are about 100,000 government contractors operating in Iraq, not counting subcontractors, a total that is approaching the size of the U.S. military force there, according to the military's first census of the growing population of civilians operating in the battlefield.

The survey finding, which includes Americans, Iraqis and third-party nationals hired by companies operating under U.S. government contracts, is significantly higher and wider in scope than the Pentagon's only previous estimate, which said there were 25,000 security contractors in the country.


Worry Grows as Foreigners Flock
to Iraq's Risky Jobs
http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?id=12515
By Sonni Efron
Los Angeles Times
July 30, 2005
For hire: more than 1,000 U.S.-trained former soldiers and police officers from Colombia. Combat-hardened, experienced in fighting insurgents and ready for duty in Iraq.
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Fijians, Ukrainians, South Africans, Nepalese and Serbs reportedly are on the job in Iraq. Peter W. Singer of the Brookings Institution, author of a book on the private military industry, said veterans of Latin American conflicts, including Guatemalans, Salvadorans and Nicaraguans, also had turned up. "What we've done in Iraq is assemble a true 'coalition of the billing,' " Singer said, playing off President Bush's description of the U.S.-led alliance of nations with a troop presence in Iraq as a "coalition of the willing."
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The Colombians would join the lucrative private military industry in Iraq even as the U.S.-funded war against drug traffickers continues to rage in their homeland. Experts are divided on the effect that would have on U.S. national interests. "It's not necessarily self-defeating, but it's not optimal," Singer said. The recruitment of Colombians shows that although "there's still a local demand" for high-end military services in Colombia, "the global demand is far higher," he said.


The Baghdad boom
Mar 25th 2004 | BAGHDAD
From The Economist print edition
http://www.sandline.com/hotlinks/Economist-Baghdad.html
British companies have been grousing about losing out to the Americans in Iraq. But in one area, British companies excel: security
In industry jargon, these companies' manpower is split into Iraqis, “third-country nationals” (Gurkhas and Fijians) and “internationals” (usually white first-worlders). Iraqis get $150 a month, “third-country nationals” 10-20 times as much, and “internationals” 100 times as much. Control Risks still relies on westerners, but ArmorGroup, a British rival, employs 700 Gurkhas to shepherd America's primary contractors in Iraq, Bechtel and KBR. Erinys's corps of pipeline protectors is overwhelmingly Iraqi. The cheapness of the other ranks, compared with western soldiers, is one reason why PMCs are flourishing. “Why pay for a British platoon to guard a base, when you can hire Gurkhas at a fraction of the cost?” asks one.


Colombia & Iraq: Halliburton Makes the Connection
By Daniel Leal Diaz
World War 4 Report
January 17, 2005
http://www.globalpolicy.org/empire/intervention/2005/0117coliraq.htm
The Bogota daily El Tiempo recently reported that the US military contractor Halliburton has recruited 25 retired Colombian police and army officers to provide security for oil infrastructure in Iraq. One of the men, speaking on condition of anonymity, said the officers met in Bogota on Dec. 2 with a Colombian colonel working on behalf of Halliburton Latin America, who offered them monthly salaries of $7,000 to provide security for oil workers and facilities in several Iraqi cities. The claim was confirmed by a Colombian government source, said El Tiempo, but denied by a Halliburton representative in Bogota. US media have reported that former soldiers from Chile, South Africa and Spain are being recruited to beef up Iraqi security forces. Halliburton, the oil services giant once run by US Vice President Dick Cheney, has won billions of dollars in Iraq contracts, but has been accused of overcharging and accounting irregularities. (Al-Jazeera, Dec. 13; AP, Dec. 17)


Secret Unit Expands Rumsfeld’s Domain
By Barton Gellman*
Washington Post
January 23, 2005

The Pentagon, expanding into the CIA's historic bailiwick, has created a new espionage arm and is reinterpreting U.S. law to give Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld broad authority over clandestine operations abroad, according to interviews with participants and documents obtained by The Washington Post.
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Perhaps the most significant shift is the Defense Department's bid to conduct surreptitious missions, in friendly and unfriendly states, when conventional war is a distant or unlikely prospect -- activities that have traditionally been the province of the CIA's Directorate of Operations. Senior Rumsfeld advisers said those missions are central to what they called the department's predominant role in combating terrorist threats.
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In pursuit of those aims, Rumsfeld is laying claim to greater independence of action as Congress seeks to subordinate the 15 U.S. intelligence departments and agencies -- most under Rumsfeld's control -- to the newly created and still unfilled position of national intelligence director. For months, Rumsfeld opposed the intelligence reorganization bill that created the position. He withdrew his objections late last year after House Republican leaders inserted language that he interprets as preserving much of the department's autonomy.
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A high-ranking official with direct responsibility for the initiative, declining to speak on the record about espionage in friendly nations, said the Defense Department sometimes has to work undetected inside "a country that we're not at war with, if you will, a country that maybe has ungoverned spaces, or a country that is tacitly allowing some kind of threatening activity to go on.".
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A29414-2005Jan22_2.html

....I thought this one was kind of cute...........

Published in the April, 1996 issue of The Progressive
Mercenaries Inc.: How a U.S. Company Props Up the House of Saud
by William D. Hartung
http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0513-06.htm
We were shocked and saddened to hear about the attacks in Saudi Arabia and the deaths of at least 91 people there, including ten Americans.
But the fact that one of the targets was a U.S. private military corporation called Vinnell raises serious questions about the role of "executive mercenaries," and corporations who profit from war and instability. This is the second time in eight years that Vinnell's operations in Saudi Arabia have been the target of a terrorist attack. In 1995 a car bomb blasted through an Army training program Vinnell was involved with. The following year, Bill Hartung, a Senior Fellow at the World Policy Institute wrote this article for the Progressive magazine.


Today, the biggest question regarding Vinnell's ongoing operations is the same one that was posed twenty years ago: why is a U.S. company using retired U.S. military and intelligence personnel to defend a corrupt monarchy in Saudi Arabia? It's obvious what's in it for the monarchy: protection from rebels and democrats who might want to change the kingdom's form of government. On this front, Vinnell must be busier than ever: Human Rights Watch reported that in 1994, "Saudi Arabia witnessed the largest roundup in recent history of opposition activists and a new low in the dismal human rights record of the Kingdom." The organization's report for 1995 cited "further deterioration in human rights observance," including a harsh crackdown on peaceful Islamist organizations. Political parties and demonstrations are outlawed, there is no independent free press, and there has been a systematic crackdown on peaceful Islamic dissenters.

The lengths to which the Saudi regime will go to prevent critical information from reaching its subjects were underscored in January of 1996 when Saudi officials tried to get Britain to deport Mohammed al-Mas'ari, whose Committee for the Defense of Legitimate Rights has been faxing critical reports about the Riyadh government to contacts within Saudi Arabia from its offices in London. The none to subtle message conveyed to Conservative Prime Minister John Major's government was that if Mas'ari was allowed to continue operating from Britain, Britain's future arms sales and other commercial contracts with Saudi Arabia might suffer. While Mas'ari's democratic credentials have been questioned in some U.S. media assessments of the case, his message is clear enough -- he told the New York Times in late January that "The Saudi regime is a mafia that has enormous wealth under its control and doesn't want to give it up. We want to have an elected, accountable government with a real rule of law and an independent judiciary."
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As for Vinnell and its employees, their main interest in Saudi Arabia is undoubtedly the money. A retired Marine officer who did five years with Vinnell in Saudi Arabia reports that he was able to save up several hundred thousand dollars to buy a retirement home in cash. An official familiar with the work of another U.S. firm that recently got a contract to train the Saudi Navy says that employees at the firm "feel like they've died and gone to heaven, because the Saudis will never run out of money." The myth of Saudi Arabia as a bottomless source of cash has worn thin lately as tens of billions of weapons purchases from the United States plus the cost of the 1991 Gulf War have driven the Saudi budget into deficit for the first time ever, but Vinnell's contract is safe as long as the current Saudi ruling clique stays in power (it was recently renewed through 1998). If anything, Vinnell's fortunes may improve in the short-term, now that King Fahd has stepped aside for health reasons, leaving the reins of government in the hands of his brother, Crown Prince Abdullah ibn Abdulaziz, who also happens to run the National Guard. Jane's Defense Weekly has speculated that the guard may be built up even faster now as a way of enhancing Crown Prince Abdullah's personal power base, which will no doubt mean bigger contracts for Vinnell as well.
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The people of Saudi Arabia will eventually demand and receive a measure of input into how their government is run and how their resources are utilized. Whether that change comes about through a revolution led by Islamic fundamentalists or an evolution towards democracy will depend in significant part on whether U.S. policy continues to back the monarchy to the hilt or press for a political opening that allows for peaceful change.

If the Saudi monarchy is overthrown, will Vinnell be put in charge of "cleaning up" all the sensitive U.S.-built military and intelligence facilities in Saudi Arabia as it was during the U.S. withdrawal from Vietnam? Or will the American public head off that day by demanding that our government get out of the dictator protection racket and allow the possibility of genuine democratic development in Saudi Arabia?
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fed-up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-02-07 01:31 PM
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14. Jeremy came to Chico-excellent speaker-excellent book! here is excerpt/review
no wonder it took forever to find-I was searching DU for Blackwater, not Scahill...I thought I had bookmarked it, now I have :)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=103&topic_id=298293

babylonsister (1000+ posts) Wed Aug-01-07 02:47 PM
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Jeremy Scahill: A very private war


and this one


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=103&topic_id=296633

muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Thu Jul-26-07 04:22 AM
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Hooyah!! : London Review of Books on Scahill about the Blackwater mercenary army
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ellacott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-02-07 01:35 PM
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16. Thanks guys for all the links
It definately is a scary group.
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-02-07 02:02 PM
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17. In a few years - they will be the 'enforcers' for the Carlyle PNAC baron
Edited on Thu Aug-02-07 02:04 PM by higher class
enactment of martial law on the unruly, unholy citizens of the U.S. and internationally, as far as they can go. Now recruiting from all over the world. The person who comes to yank you out of your house might only speak xxxxx language and a touch of essential english required for mercenary cop duties in military uniform and 80 pounds of equipment probably paid by U.S. middle class taxpayerss - or in plain clothes - selected from Wal-Mart.
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ellacott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-02-07 02:22 PM
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19. 15 years ago this would have sounded like an action movie
Today it's much closer to reality.
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1776Forever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-02-07 02:14 PM
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18. Some great links to add to your research -
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-02-07 02:23 PM
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20. Between privatized mercenaries, a monopolized corporate media,
Edited on Thu Aug-02-07 02:24 PM by Uncle Joe
and the corrupt, incompetent leadership enabled and sustained to power by said media, I truly fear for our nation. Corporations have taken over our government and we are currently the indentured servants just as the first African Americans, when they were first brought to America before they were turned in to slaves.
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