Hillary Clinton: Experience that is Only Matched by a Few

[illinoisprogressive]

One Democrat forwards an e-mail that's been working its way to the inboxes of the politically engaged.

It's a single frame. The headline reads: "Hillary Clinton -- Experience that is matched by only a select few..."






http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2007/08/an_antihillary_email_making_th.php

[Colobo]

1. Hahahahaha!!! LOL!

Wonderful!

[wyldwolf]

2. I had no idea any in that group except Hillary was ever a US Senator

[earthside]

14. It's a good photo ...

... because if Hillary weren't married to Bill Clinton, today she would probably be a real estate lawyer in Chicago voting Republican.

Didn't we just go throught the experience of having a President who finagled his way into office mostly on the basis of family relationship?

We want to do that again?

[ElizabethDC]

17. HRC had left Chicago and was already a Democrat before she met Bill

but thanks for your interest!

[rinsd]

18. Um Hillary was a Democrat before she met Bill.

Now you know so when you talk about it again you won't look so foolish.

[wyldwolf]

19. do you still believe the world is flat?

[pocoloco]

27. Plus she is the only one of the group to vote for the Iraqi War!

[wisteria]

52. True, but she hasn't been a senator as long as Biden or Dodd or been a Governor.

like Richardson. She has been a senator for six years and nine months. I fail to see how she is more qualified than the others.
I have no horses in this race, but I tend to agree with the OP.

[wyldwolf]

57. so you admit the photo's caption is wrong

[rinsd]

3. I notice you left out the part where he calls out the Obama camapign as being behind it

"It's easy to see which campaign's message this fits into. I'll guess that it was a freelance job, but it'll probably make some N. Michigan Avenuers chuckle."

"Experience matters.... but "

(An Obama spokesman said the campaign has nothing to do with these e-mails.)"

Team Smear-4-Obama hard at work.

[wyldwolf]

4. the funny thing is they're not even that good at it. He'll blame his staff

[Colobo]

5. I guess Obama should be like a male praying mantis and let Hillary devour him

[rinsd]

7. So childish emails?

Shows who the grown up is.

And its not the guy who needs Lee Hamilton and Richard Clarke standing shoulder to shoulder with him to give him gravitas on foreign policy.

[Ethelk2044]

12. He does not need them. He has the best ideas and they are for them.

The only person who needs someone is the person who has to have their husband to try to bail them out. Barabara needs to run. She has the same amount of experience.

[rinsd]

16. Barbara Bush is a Senator in her 2nd term?

So who else is Obama gonna to trot out to leech off of and bolster his weak image on foreign policy?

We've seen Lee Hamilton & Richard Clarke. Could his buddy Colin Powell be far behind?

[ncabot22]

13. If the author has proof the Obama campaign is behind the e-mail

then he should publish it. Right now, it is speculation and the Obama campaign denied they were behind it. I tend to give people the benefit of a doubt. If there's proof, then provide it.

[sandnsea]

6. That about sums it up n/t

[illinoisprogressive]

8. This is the so called great experience Hillary touts.

[rinsd]

9. This is the crap being spread by the Obama campaign

[Ethelk2044]

15. MSNBC has nothing to do with the Obama Campaign

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20010704/site/newsweek/
Both Clinton and Obama have called on foreign-policy heavyweights to educate them on the issues and help shape their approach to world affairs. But neither candidate would bring much in the way of hands-on foreign-policy experience to the Oval Office. Their efforts to promote their credentials can seem strained. Clinton's aides point to her extensive travel to more than 80 countries as First Lady and her 1995 speech at a U.N. conference on women in Beijing. "She helped represent the United States abroad throughout the '90s," says Howard Wolfson, Clinton's communications director. "Obviously, that's an important qualification. She went to China and gave a very famous and important address when she declared that human rights are women's rights and women's rights are human rights. That electrified the world." But these sanitized, ceremonial trips abroad are hardly preparation for the middle-of-the-night call from the Situation Room. After all, Laura Bush has also traveled extensively as First Lady, taking in 68 countries either with her husband or on her own. No one is saying she has the experience to be commander in chief.


She does not have more experience than Obama

[rinsd]

20. Ambinder called out your candidate's amateurish operation

And doesn't seem to believe the denials.

[Cha]

10. Sweet Roslyn..

Where's Nancy, baby?

[Ethelk2044]

11. MSNBC said her experience is a myth. I agree She has no more

experience than any of the other candidates.

[rinsd]

21. MSNBC said that? Well then it must be true!

:eyes:

[obnoxiousdrunk]

62. Well you

forgot that Obama has more foreign policy expereince than Hillary. He has lived overseas for 4 years and just got back from vacation in South Africa. Those are facts.

[billyoc]

22. I call foul. This is going beyond the pale.

None of those other women have anywhere near the negatives that Hillary has.

[Ethelk2044]

23. True very True. However, they have the same experience

[rinsd]

25. Except for the Senator and lawyer part.

If you were to be honest.

Though that seems difficult for you.

[ElizabethDC]

26. Not quite - Roslyn and Barbara were only first lady for one term each!

oh, and did any of them serve in the U.S. Senate?

[laugle]

54. This is such a load of crap! It reminds me of

the e-mails going around saying BO is really a muslim, intent on taking over the U.S.

Pure nonsense, not worthy of comment!

[freesqueeze]

36. Was rosaline carter

a big cheerleader for the Iraq war?...i forget.

[Tom Joad]

24. Haven't most of us been fucked one way or another by a US President?

[Sapphire Blue]

28. An anti-Hillary email posted on DU by an anti-Hillary Obama supporter. How original.

Does this mean it's okay now to post emails & photos ridiculing Obama?

[laugle]

55. Really, this is the level of discourse BO

supporters prefer, and then they whine about how everyone picks on BO.

Hypocrits...............

[Dawgs]

58. Right... Hillary supporters are so above stuff like this.

Give me a break. Hillary is the one using Bill's Presidency as experience. If she can't deal with stuff like this then that's her fault.

[Sapphire Blue]

67. Have Senator Clinton's supporters posted an email ridiculing Senator Obama?

I wonder how Obama's supporters would react to something like that? A few of them had a fit over Obama's own words ("... putting them {troops} "on the right battlefield in Afghanistan and Pakistan." ": http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070801/ap_on_el_pr/obama_terrorism_11); imagine the reaction over an email ridiculing Obama. But then it's highly unlikely that supporters of any other candidate would post such a thing.

[ronnykmarshall]

74. Shocking isn't it?

:wow:

[freesqueeze]

29. Unfair in a sense, but

it is odd how she gets credit for being the most experienced in a crowd that includes Bill Richardson.

I'm not knocking on doors for either of them...just sayin...

[Ethelk2044]

30. She has no more experience than any of these ladies.

It is sad how much they would like America to believe a Lie

[ElizabethDC]

31. No more? Really? The whole Senate thing is just a lie?

c'mon, Ethel, you can come up with something better than that!!!

[Ethelk2044]

33. Hillary supporters have been pushing First Lady status. With that Logic

all of these women qualify to run for Office of President.



http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20010704/site/newsweek /
Both Clinton and Obama have called on foreign-policy heavyweights to educate them on the issues and help shape their approach to world affairs. But neither candidate would bring much in the way of hands-on foreign-policy experience to the Oval Office. Their efforts to promote their credentials can seem strained. Clinton's aides point to her extensive travel to more than 80 countries as First Lady and her 1995 speech at a U.N. conference on women in Beijing. "She helped represent the United States abroad throughout the '90s," says Howard Wolfson, Clinton's communications director. "Obviously, that's an important qualification. She went to China and gave a very famous and important address when she declared that human rights are women's rights and women's rights are human rights. That electrified the world." But these sanitized, ceremonial trips abroad are hardly preparation for the middle-of-the-night call from the Situation Room. After all, Laura Bush has also traveled extensively as First Lady, taking in 68 countries either with her husband or on her own. No one is saying she has the experience to be commander in chief.

[ElizabethDC]

35. Well, I certainly don't think we've been ignoring her time in the Senate

her service as first lady was important, but not enough on its own to qualify her to run for president. Hillary's running for president based on her lifetime of experience. I know it's a difficult concept for you to wrap your head around, because I've tried to explain it to you before.

[Ethelk2044]

37. The media is saying the same thing some of us here have previously stated

Her being Bill's wife does not count as experience.

[ElizabethDC]

40. I don't think that being Bill's wife counts as experience, either

however, the way in which she carried out her service as first lady certainly does qualify as some important experience, though perhaps not enough to qualify her (on its own) for the presidency. Hence, the U.S. Senate, etc.

I know I've been round-and-round with you on this before. It's clear you're not going to "get it" any time soon, although you should stop just outright lying by saying she doesn't have *any* experience. Because if she doesn't have any, then what does your beloved Obama have?

[rinsd]

32. But she does have more experience so stop LYING.

What are you pretending that Hillary isn't a Senator now?

[Ethelk2044]

34. Being a First Lady does not count as Experience in a political office.

Therefore no lie.


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20010704/site/newsweek /
Both Clinton and Obama have called on foreign-policy heavyweights to educate them on the issues and help shape their approach to world affairs. But neither candidate would bring much in the way of hands-on foreign-policy experience to the Oval Office. Their efforts to promote their credentials can seem strained. Clinton's aides point to her extensive travel to more than 80 countries as First Lady and her 1995 speech at a U.N. conference on women in Beijing. "She helped represent the United States abroad throughout the '90s," says Howard Wolfson, Clinton's communications director. "Obviously, that's an important qualification. She went to China and gave a very famous and important address when she declared that human rights are women's rights and women's rights are human rights. That electrified the world." But these sanitized, ceremonial trips abroad are hardly preparation for the middle-of-the-night call from the Situation Room. After all, Laura Bush has also traveled extensively as First Lady, taking in 68 countries either with her husband or on her own. No one is saying she has the experience to be commander in chief.

[rinsd]

38. Ethel here is your lie "She has no more experience than any of these ladies"

You have repeated that lie several times in this thread.

"Being a First Lady does not count as Experience in a political office."

No its life experience and its far better life experience than living overseas from age 6 to 10 like Obama is touting.

[Ethelk2044]

41. It is not a lie. You are the one telling a lie I am glad you are not part of the media

at least they know because you are the wife of someone that does not qualify you for a job. Hell if that is the case. All the wives of CEO's need to take over companies. I am sick of hearing Hillary supporters trying to gray the lines on her experience. That is Bull Shit.

[illinoisprogressive]

43. the media spreads her lies and pawns it off as real.

[Ethelk2044]

45. Yes, they do. I am glad someone from MSNBC sees through the lie

[rinsd]

46. Now you are lying even more.

"at least they know because you are the wife of someone that does not qualify you for a job."

Except I never claimed that.

First Lady is a bit more than being someone's wife and Hillary Clinton was probably the most powerful First Lady since Eleanor Roosevelt. But again I called it life experience not political experience.

So we'll add this lie to your lie that Hillary doesn't have more experience than other First Ladies.

"I am sick of hearing Hillary supporters trying to gray the lines on her experience."

No gray lines.

Hillary 7 years in the Senate.

Obama 3 years in the Senate.

End of story.

[ElizabethDC]

39. Don't play dumb. Yes it was a lie because you said she has no more experience

than the other first ladies. Obviously she does, based on her time in the U.S. Senate (more time than both Edwards and Obama), among other things.

[Ethelk2044]

42. You are the very one who have been pushing her white house experience as a wife

We had this same arguement before. Hillary has less political experience that Obama and the same as Edwards. Obama has 10 years of political experience to her 6.

[illinoisprogressive]

44. Actually Obama has 13 to Hillary's 6. wow. she is really experienced!?? ha!

[rinsd]

47. Obama has 3 years (I will count this year).

Unless Illinois state senators do alot of foreign policy work.

[ElizabethDC]

49. Where do you get that extra three years?

He became a state senator in 1997, and now it's 2007, so . . . 10 years. Did I miss something?

[ElizabethDC]

48. I think some of her White House experience can be separated from her experience as a wife

Like I said, I know you either can't understand that or like to pretend you can't, but let's just pretend that you get it, just this once.

Additionally: Hillary technically has more *elected* political experience than Edwards, since she's currently serving her second term in the Senate, and he only served one. And yes, Obama has more *elected* political experience, but is that the only experience that counts? I mean, look at a guy like Wes Clark - he's never held elected political office, but a lot of folks think he has plenty of experience. :shrug:

[Dawgs]

59. The point is that the "experience" question is bullshit.

Every candidate, including Obama and Hillary, are more than qualified.

Hillary partly deserves some of this because she, and others, have used experience to try and bring down Obama. If Hillary doesn't want to see stuff like this she needs to drop the Obama is inexperienced shit.

[Lerkfish]

50. MY EYES! there should be a warning with that pic!

speaking of the two frontmost first ladies only.

[wisteria]

51. Well, it is true to a point. n/t

[DrFunkenstein]

53. Where's Nancy? Just Say No!

Let's not forget her record of opposing the Iraq War time and time again. Every amendment that was offered to stop Bush's invasion was supported by Sen. Clinton. Oh, wait. I mean the opposite.

[PBass]

56. Hillary Clinton has a pretty good idea of how the White House works...

the nuts-and-bolts day to day operation of running the country. She will be able to hit the ground running.

The other candidates, not so much.

[wisteria]

61. Anyone in the Congress would have the same knowledge as Clinton.

Some even more experience based on their years of service and committees they are on. Richardson may not have this type of experience, but he has experience running a state government and he has cabinet experience.

I think the OP is something to consider, since her camp and the media try to claim she has the most experience. Being first lady is not the same as being president.
Examples,

Being a doctor's wife does not make you qualified to practice medicine.
Being married to a pilot does not mean you are qualified to fly a plane.
Being married to a nuclear scientist does not make you qualified to build a nuclear bomb.

[beastieboy]

60. Trying to distract from Obamas implosion???

[wisteria]

63. Why single out Obama's campaign as the originator of this email?

Any candidate supporter could have been behind this. Senator Dodd and Senator Biden do have more years of service than Senator Clinton. Perhaps, one of their supporters thought there was merit in doing this.

[Sapphire Blue]

64. Who posted it here?

[wisteria]

68. That doesn't mean it originated with Obama. n/t

[Sapphire Blue]

70. No, it doesn't, but it says something about who's pushing it.

[wisteria]

71. You have to admit that the OP has a point bringing up qualifications. n/t

[Sapphire Blue]

72. No, I don't have to admit any such thing, as that photo does not address Sen. Clinton's...

... qualifications; it is nothing more than an insult.

[Ethelk2044]

73. Being a First Lady does not count as Experience in a political office.

[Nedsdag]

65. Politics aside.

I must say that's a nice picture of four.

Even Battleax Babs looks decent.

[Totally Committed]

66. But, you still gotta wonder who told Laura that lipstick was right for her.

It's bad.

TC

[wisteria]

69. LOL, it does take over her whole face. n/t