Biden is the man !

[Like It Is]

Watch this video and you will know why.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtGCaqOdIJ4

[BOSSHOG]

1. .

want to come back to this and see what will be said. Biden has always impressed me and he had a great interview on NPR earlier this week.

[Like It Is]

74. I really like your 24 year comment . Good one ! n/t

[AX10]

2. K & R!

Beautiful!

The President should be a statesman first and foremost.

[ellacott]

3. I'm going to watch this when I get home

They blocked youtube on my job.

I always like hearing him speak. He's one of the few Dems. that hold his own on Faux News.

[defendandprotect]

4. We have ClarenceThomas on the SC because of Biden's betrayals --

[Like It Is]

7. Biden voted NO on Clarence Thomas !

He is only one of 100 Senators, you can't blame him for everything.

[jillan]

9. Don't let these people hijack this thread

I say - ignore them.

This is the best thread on Biden yet!

thanks for finding this.

[Like It Is]

11. I'll be nice! n/t

[defendandprotect]

21. Yeah, don't disturb yourself with facts --

[whirlygigspin]

72. snarky bunch, maybe your diet need ruffage

It is strange that the same people are almost pathological in the programmed response.

they see the name Biden and decide it's time for them to shit on their neighbors lawn...yet again.

For the first time ever, I have put a poster on ignore in DU

[defendandprotect]

20. He kept witnesses from testitying who would have backed up what Prof. Anita Hill was saying . . . .

while telling her lawyers, etc that these witnesses would testify --

See: "Strange Justice" by Anita Hill

They were betrayed by Biden --

And, in fact, I watched the hearings until 4 am -- and Biden was BSing with a guy who was trying to make Prof. Hill look like a whore -- and finally at 4 am after many, many hours of nonsensical testimony, they guy said he couldn't remember "who had called whom" re his suggestion that Hill was pursuing him -- !!!!


Meanwhile, the witnesses who were CURRENT AND former EEOC employees were waiting to testify --
one witness had been identified -- the other were not -- there were as many as a dozen who would support what Anita Hill said of Thomas' outrageous behavior at the EEOC.

[Like It Is]

23. Another version of the story.

The eight women, some of whom had been the victims of real sexual harassment and sexual abuse, testified that Clarence was a good man. They testified about working with Clarence late at night and not experiencing any of Anita's fantasies. They testified about how they could talk to Clarence about the sexual harassment and abuse that they experienced. They testified that Anita was a scheming gold-digger who couldn't trick Clarence into falling for her. They put the final nail in Anita's coffin. Showtime's failure to include them in its sordid little movie is prime evidence of the evil political intent of Strange Justice.

I don't like Clarence Thomas or his decisions. But don't twist the facts for your convenience.

[defendandprotect]

134. You have the wrong women and the wrong story -- and many lies caught up in it -- !!!!

You've got the wrong women . . .

The women who would have testified -- except Joe Biden kept them from doing so while lying to the lawyers for Anita Hill and these witnesses . . .

were as many as a dozen women who worked at the EEOC and who would have testified to Clarence
Thomas sexual harassment of female employees; in some cases, including themselves!!!!

Let me suggest that you read something of what ACTUALLY happened --
and/or ask people who actually watched ALL of the hearings.

The "women" you are talking about are women called in to defend Thomas -- emplyed at the EEOC --
a highly questionable move. First, of all, who would say "no" if they wanted to keep their jobs?

Secondly, when you hear a case of let's say rape, you don't call in people to testify that they haven't been raped by the accused.

Meanwhile, you also have distorted facts on Prof. Anita Hill --
She was personally and viciously attacked by right-wing Senators Hatch, Specter and a number of others with malicious and false -- in fact hypothetical suggestions which were lies.
All, while barring people who would testify to the fact that Clarence Thomas is, indeed, a pervert.

Additionally, they tried to use an African-American young male to suggest that Prof. Anita Hill was looking for a date . . . !!! After about four hours of testimony trying to suggest that Ms Hill had been amorously pursuing him -- mainly with one telephone call -- it ended up four hours later that he couldn't remember whether he had placed the call or Prof. Hill had placed the call!!!!

MEANWHILE, you're missing a lot of facts --
Clarence Thomas' own personal friends from college openly discussed his sexual perversions --
he was addicted to hard-core porn -- that's the kind where you stand in a little black booth and watch porn flicks -- an ejaculation booth. He was addicted to foul and specifically sexual comments. This is according to his college friends! And friends at that time!


SHOWTIME? MOVIE? Maybe you want to clarify that?

Try getting to your library and actually reading "Strange Justice" --

Wherever you're getting these false reports, you should move on if you want truth.

[dugggy]

139. Don't blame Biden for that....Anita Hill was lying about Thomas

Listen, I have nothing in common with Thomas's philospphy.
But, wht the hell did Anita Hill kept following Thomas for
several YEARS after supposedly the sexual harrasssment
incidents? She kept working for him year after year. Don't
tell me she could not find other job with a PhD.

Senator Biden has my utmost respect. He has more knowledge
on foreign policy than the rest of the field combined.

[venable]

147. if a battered wife doesnt leave a marriage

does that mean the battering didn't occur, or didn't matter?

it is so vastly more complex than the defense you offer for thomas.

[dugggy]

152. So you compare poor/uneducated battered wife with a woman with PhD?

A married woman Vs. someone just working at a job?
A highly sophisticated modern educated woman with some
poor and uneducated battered wife?

Can you please talk some reality?

[venable]

154. it's not worth it

there is so much profoundly wrong with your argument.

(hint - who says all battered women are poor and uneducated?)

[dugggy]

155. Most battered wives stay in it since they have poor job skills

and can't make a decent living. In today's world,
there is absolutely no reason to stay battered if you
have the job skills to strike out on your own. Unless
ofcourse you have grave psychological problems. But that
has to be a small minority.

But again, YOU injected the battered wife argument into
my original premise which was about a PhD educated woman
staying with a sexual harrasser in a JOB! For many years!!
No comparison whatsoever with a battered wife with poor
job skills.

[venable]

156. if you believe Hill made the stuff up, and your evidence

is that she followed him to another job, you have a fundamental misunderstanding of what it's like for a woman, and African-American woman, in the workplace, or in society in general.

and if you think that any 'employable' woman that stays with a batterer has grave psychological problems, you so greatly simplify the complexity of human psychology that I, once again, sign off on this conversation.

[Capn Sunshine]

5. I like Joe,

He's great when he's on and spectacularly foolish when he's not.
In the NPR interview, he blamed the press for not telling the truth on Iraq and leading to his pro-war vote. As if millions of people marching in the streets weren't there. I specifically remember how bad Bush's case was and we all knew Bush was lying. How did Biden miss this?

[Like It Is]

8. If you like him why do you tear him down?

Do you have a link to that NPR interview?

[jillan]

6. Everybody - everybody has got to watch this!

Thank you Like it is for posting this.

I will keep kicking this thread from now until the election.

:bounce:

[Like It Is]

10. I'm glad you like it.

But credit: James and Kerrianne DiSalvatore
Schenectady, NY
They put it together.

[monmouth]

12. Absolutely stunning. I love that guy.... Off to the Greatest...

[Like It Is]

118. Thanks for your support. n/t

[Jillian]

13. A Big BIG BIG

kick!:kick:

[saltpoint]

14. Joe's a good soul. I'd wish him well but I think he's going to do well

with or without my blessing.

He's tough, smart, and is going to appeal to voters who have been deeply embarrassed by George W. Bush's foreign policy.

And his poll numbers will begin to rise.

[Like It Is]

15. I'm glad that you approve O.C. n/t

[saltpoint]

25. Hi, Like It Is. Joe's effective on the stump. Good in front of people

and reveals the depth of his passion.

And he's been around the block a few times and knows the territory.

I've always liked him, from his days as a very young Senator to lately, when he's putting a workable plan in our moron-President's lap if only the moron-President would be gracious enough to take some advice once in a while.

The John Bolton controversy revealed the true Joe Biden for me. I knew that Joe Biden was there all along, but for some of the younger Democrats I know, that was a watershed moment. Biden crushed John Bolton's nomination like a potato chip. Kerry and others assisted, so I'm not subtracting from their very effective contribution. But at the time, Biden was ranking member and the snooze-master himself, Dick Lugar, was shamed into backing Bush via Bolton.

If you want to destroy a political party, back a moron-President's selection of a right-wing kook for U.N. ambassador, and that's just what Lugar did.

Biden called him on his bullshit.

And Biden was right.

[Lady President]

16. Very Impressive

In early 2005, I promised myself that while I would back our eventual nominee, I would support a candidate in a swing state in the primary. Yet, I can't tell you how many times I've heard myself say, "You know, I really like that Joe Biden."

I know that I'm in the minority, but every time I think of our Dem. candidates, I have to smile. We have so many bright, articulate, compelling individuals willing to lead our country out of this period of darkness.

Thank you for sharing!

[mrigirl]

17. Awesome!

Is- What an amazing video. That was probably one of the greatest campaign videos that I've ever seen! I actually got chills there for a second. It reminded me of how I felt after 9/11 when this country rallied together. We need this. America needs this!
AMERICA NEEDS BIDEN!!!!

[Debi]

178. Welcome to DU Mrigirl

are you from Deleware? :hi:

[rucky]

18. He's not my first choice, BUT...

I can't imagine this race without him.

[Like It Is]

19. I like Dennis. But he's overreaching here.

This is Biden's chance after 34 years of faithful Senate service he deserves a shot.

[ChiciB1]

39. Kucinish is Losing Me To Some Extent And I'm A Wellstone Liberal... n/t

[murbley40]

70. my only choice.....

[jillan]

22. Everyone needs to watch this.

[lyonn]

24. Thanks, that was inspirational

Biden doesn't have an ego, he is inspired, the can do type person with intelligence. He has been under rated. Hope people notice before it is too late.

[Like It Is]

26. I'm glad you enjoyed it. It really does inspire. n/t

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

37. Biden doesn't have an ego?? Please.

The most dangerous place in D.C. is the space between Joe and a TV camera. Yes, he's a good speaker and a bright guy. But he's also one of the biggest media hogs on earth.

[demommom]

48. Pleaseeeeee

worn out: boring:

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

51. It may be boring and worn out, but that doesn't make it less true.

Joe is in love with the sound of his own voice. Always has been.

[Debi]

179. I don't know that he was always in love with the sound of his own voice

since when he was younger he had a terrible stutter. It might be that he is proud of his ability to overcome his stutter and speak so eloquently. Of course if you knew nothing about him, you wouldn't know that.

[Like It Is]

119. How do you think one gets elected, by being a recluse? n/t

[jillan]

27. kickin for the nite owls - you gotta watch this video.

[Imalittleteapot]

92. kicking for Monday

[Like It Is]

28. This is a well done video, not by the campaign, but by a voter !

Take the time to watch it, you'll be glad you did.

[pacalo]

29. I've always liked Biden -- this video is a small reminder of why I do.

[Inuca]

30. Beautiful n/t

[Like It Is]

31. Thanks for your comment. n/t

[demommom]

32. A dedicated supporter;; James Salvatore

James is the young man who is trying to get a Biden caravan together to go across the country to Iowa and go door to door passing out Biden literature.
He is a long time supporter of Senator Biden and is not connected to the campaign. Maybe he should be. Great job James and thank you, Like it is for posting it here. The first time I saw it, It brought tears to my eyes. What a great President,Mr. Biden could be. :applause:

[jillan]

33. I have to correct you -

What a great President Mr Biden WILL be :)

[demommom]

35. Did I say could.....

of course, I meant to say WILL.:blush:

[Like It Is]

34. I'm glad to see you here !

Help us keep bumping this video to the front page. It's the best ad Biden has going. I have it on MSNBC Politics also, same name. Biden is the Man. Give it a bump once in a while too.

[demommom]

36. Thanks

[ChiciB1]

38. I Agree... But How Do You Suppose A Man Who Actually Says His

financial worth is less than a million dollars?? From where I sit, he seems to have less money than even Ron Paul and Gravel! Gravel seems less capable than Paul, but he speaks his mind, but goes over the edge a bit.

The green stuff goes a long way, and buys a lot of influence. I really would like to see someone pick him as VP anyway. He's got lots of "smarts" and he doesn't mince words! The only negative thing I've ever heard about him was some "plagiarism" thing way back when! Like Kerry he believes and understands, the same goes for another man who decided he wanted to actually spend time with his family before he checked out! His name is BOB GRAHAM! I really miss him, but I think he's happier now!

And while Gore is enjoying his role now, I also think he's much happier and I really DON'T think he will run! Why should he? Just because "we" want him to and that he has proved to the world that he could have managed this country so so much better than what was thrust upon us?? He shines in a way that BFEE could never imagine in a million years!

[jillan]

52. The plagerism was a total scam, set up to bring him down in the election

The guy who started the story made a public apology after the election.

Biden often quoted Kinnock in his campaign speeches, and credited him. Unfortunately
one time he didn't credit Kinnock.

The guy who started the smear campaign, in his apology said that he knew Biden has credited him before.

Why didn't Biden fight back??? He was bogged down as chairman of the judicial committee, a job he didn't want, but Ted Kennedy
coaxed him into. What was going on in the judicial committee at that time? Bork.
So while the msm was questioning Biden's character, they were also praising him for his brilliant work on bringing down Bork.
Biden even convinced many on the other side to vote against Bork.

just some fyi.

[demommom]

54. Great info,pirhana!

:applause:

[calteacherguy]

40. I watched two minutes of it and started to fall asleep.

Nice pictures for those infatuated with Biden, I guess.

[Like It Is]

41. What did you teach, Physical Ed? You're a cheap shot artist for sure. n/t

[calteacherguy]

42. Science, but I have great respect for P.E. teachers. nt

[Forkboy]

57. Cheap shot artist:Anyone who doesn't kiss Biden ass and genefluct appropriately.

And hats off for Science teachers! Keep hammerin away at the evolution thing...we're losing that one. :(

[Name removed]

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[Forkboy]

77. I think Biden is ok.I like him more than Hillary or Obama.

And I think I'll stay here,thanks. :hi:

[Like It Is]

82. Than get off his ass. n/t

[Forkboy]

97. Tell you what.

You worry about you,I'll worry about me.Otherwise,I'll do what the fuck I please within the rules of DU.If you have a problem alert on it.Otherwise,just fucking deal with it.

[Name removed]

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[Forkboy]

108. No,I'll post where I want.

You don't decide for other DUers where they can post.

And there's nothing to snitch on anyways,but thanks for your concern. :eyes:

[murbley40]

68. fell asleep?

Your loss.

[oasis]

43. kick

:kick:

[demommom]

44. Go

Biden!:bounce: The best candidate in the race!!

[Moderate Dem]

45. I'm a huge Biden fan

He won't win of course, but he'd make a great SecState for Hillary.

You have to realize that in a long Senate career everyone's going to step in it a few times. The funniest thing I ever saw on the Daily Show was when Jon Stewart showed Biden congratulating Ruth Bader Ginsberg for not answering questions about current issues. Then Stewart went ahead ten or so years to show Biden castigating John Roberts for the exact same thing!

Even so, I love that Biden says what he thinks, not what people think he should say.

[saltpoint]

46. The on-site gambling sites report that bids on Biden have notably

increased in the last couple weeks.

I posted a thread on these sites' take on the presidential candidates yesterday and it spun like space trash in the far orbits.

But Biden's name had drawn pointedly more interest than ever before.

By fall sometime, I expect him to be a top-tier candidate in very real contention for the nomination.

[demommom]

47. OC

My daily prayer is that you are right.

[saltpoint]

49. Hi, demommom.

I'm no gambler. But the www.slate.com site posts the updates (weekly, I think?) in a column called "Why vote when you can gamble?"

Anyway, the trends at the moment favor our 3 frontrunners, with noticeable gains for Richardson and Biden. They exclude Gravel and Kucinich for some reason.

And for the Pukes, Giuliani draws many bids but is not holding the same formidable position as HClinton.

[demommom]

55. Thanks,for the info,OC

:hi: :hi:

[jillan]

67. Wow - that's the best news I've heard all day!

Or should I say all year?

How did Edwards do?

[saltpoint]

85. Hi, pirhana. Yep. Bids on Joe Biden have picked up very noticeably

in the last couple weeks.

The order to date is HClinton, BObama, JEdwards -- the order they've been in for awhile -- but then very strong bidding on Biden and Richardson.

It's kind of a fun site.

[ellacott]

50. I just watched the video. Wow

I was blown away. It brought tears to my eyes.

I watched the replay of his appearance at the Washington Press Club.

As someone commented on youtube, this needs to be submitted to Hardball.

I have become very discouraged with the way this campaign is going in spite of the excellent candidates the we have on the Dem. side.

The juvenile spat that's occurring with our frontrunners is shameful. Our country is in too bad a shape to risk splintering our party.

Joe Biden can stand up to the Repubs as he does whenever he's on Fox.

This is one of the most important elections we have ever faced and we need someone like Biden.

The other candidates are young enough to pursue their political aspirations at a later date.

I wish he was getting more press, hopefully his new book will help him. I will be making a donation to his campaign.

[demommom]

53. ellacot

Thank you!!

[jillan]

59. Your post - - -

Is one of the nicest posts I have read about Biden from someone outside of
his usual cheerleading bunch.

:)!

[murbley40]

71. the video

I have watched it several times,and teared up each time. This man has dedicated almost his entire life to our country (since he was 29) and he is not only the absolutely best candidate ,but he deserves it.

[demommom]

56. Biden Supporters:

:grouphug:

[jillan]

60. Back at ya!

[democrat2thecore]

58. AWESOME Video! I hope people will take the 8 minutes and watch it -nt

[kath]

61. Biden totally mismanaged the Clarence Thomas confirmation hearings

Screw you, Joe, Thanks for giving us C. Thomas, Scalia's toady, on the SC.

[Like It Is]

63. Mr. Opinionated ! Or is it Miss?

The eight women, some of whom had been the victims of real sexual harassment and sexual abuse, testified that Clarence was a good man. They testified about working with Clarence late at night and not experiencing any of Anita's fantasies. They testified about how they could talk to Clarence about the sexual harassment and abuse that they experienced. They testified that Anita was a scheming gold-digger who couldn't trick Clarence into falling for her. They put the final nail in Anita's coffin. Showtime's failure to include them in its sordid little movie is prime evidence of the evil political intent of Strange Justice.

I don't like Clarence Thomas or his decisions. But don't twist the facts for your convenience.

[kath]

65. So you believe that crap that you quoted rather than Anita Hill herself, and those of us

who were around then and followed the hearings intently? See defendandprotect's posts above.
Multiple witnesses were willing to give strong corroborating testimony in support of Ms. Hill, but Biden never allowed them to take the stand.

[defendandprotect]

135. This is garbage info . . . Almost a dozen women would have testified to CT sexual perversions --

Anyone interested should read the book "Strange Justice" --

Prof. Anita Hill's lawyers were betrayed --
Prof. Hill was betrayed --

And, the women who wanted to testify -- one in a hospital -- were all betrayed --

BY JOE BIDEN --

[jillan]

64. kath - try this instead -

I am really pissed at Biden for giving us Thomas, but

I am so happy that he stopped Bork and gave us Souter instead.

There - that wasn't so bad, was it?

[Cass]

62. Thanks for that!

I've always liked Joe Biden. He would do a good job as President.

[murbley40]

69. video

:patriot: :applause:

[Like It Is]

73. I assume that means you like it. n/t

[murbley40]

76. Well, of course!!

:toast:

[Cameron27]

75. Great video, thanks for posting.

His tribute to the NYC firefighters was outstanding. Biden's got substance, and I trust his judgment more than some who are running.

[LordJFT]

78. He continues to fund the war, he is not the man

[Like It Is]

79. He's the only Democratic Candidate who did not abandon the Troops !

Having served myself, that was a plus in my book.

[LordJFT]

80. how is bringing the troops home abandoning them?

[Like It Is]

81. How do you intend to do that ?

Even without Biden's vote the funding would pass. And even if it didn't, how would you do that?

[LordJFT]

84. thats a horrible argument

Should we not hold anyone accountable for their vote whenever the margin is more than 1? And it would have most likely led to the troops coming home because it would have forced Bush to agree to a timetable since the alternative would have been getting no funding at all. But instead because a few dems like Biden caved, Bush got to call the shots.

[Like It Is]

86. Biden voted to support the troops ! I support his vote. n/t

[LordJFT]

87. Funding a war that's taking more lives every day is not supporting the troops

[Like It Is]

88. I have no respect for your opinion. Don't bother advising me.

We went into Iraq uninvited, we broke it. we must make an honest attempt to fix it. Our President and his cronies made a total mess of the war. Biden has a Plan for Iraq that makes sense and may bring peace to the region. We should try it, if it fails or the Iraqis refuse to implement it, then and only then we should leave. Do you need a link to his plan? Here it is. Educate yourself.

http://www.planforiraq.com/

[Imalittleteapot]

91. ditto.

[jillan]

93. yay!

Another Biden supporter:hug:

[murbley40]

99. Kudos Like it is!!

:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[LordJFT]

104. Instead of being rude please just listen to what im saying

I know about Biden's plan to divvy up Iraq. I know he has a lot of foreign policy experience so I'm not going to pass judgment on whether or not his plan will work. But the fact of the matter is we can't pass his plan or any other dem's as long as * has veto power unless we have some leverage. The only way we can get that leverage is by refusing to fund any bill that doesn't put a timetable on our withdrawal, which will force * to sign a bill with Biden's or someone else's exit plan. With * in the white house the dems don't have the power to pass any bill they want, but they do have the power to not pass any bill they don't want, which is almost as important.

[jillan]

106. You have a point there. But, his plan is being studied by Gates,

and I had read about 1 week ago, that his plan was being implemented. It was in the NYT> but I haven't
seen anything since.

Biden's plan was based on the Iraqi constitution.
He can actually quote from their constitution.
Experts are calling it the 'perfect plan b'.

Seriously, other than leaving and hoping for the best, what else is there at this point?
Definitely not to keep surging!

I know alot of people want to just leave - but - Biden's point is leaving without having to ever go back.
If things got so out of hand with mass genocide, we probably would have to. and since we have given weapons to
every one over there, whether we meant to our not, mass genocide is probable.

[Like It Is]

120. If you cut the funding now you create complete chaos !

And you let Bush off the hook. He can then blame the Democrats, saying they cut and ran. What a solution you propose.

[defendandprotect]

136. AND, his last time out, wasn't he caught up in some plagaristic thing -- ????

[defendandprotect]

137. I think we need Biden's voting record -- ????? Anyone -- ????

[demommom]

157. It should not be hard to find,

[demommom]

83. Big

:kick:

[Alexia Wheaton]

89. I would support him over Hillary.

[Imalittleteapot]

90. After a little soul searching and a big reality check -

I've made Joe Biden my man.

I saw Biden speak to the Press Club on C-span and wish you all could have seen him. It was from that program that I became a Biden supporter. Besides his intelligence, sincerity, engaging personality and vast experience, I believe he is the Dem candidate to draw votes from undecideds and moderates. He isn't my dream candidate - I'm a screaming liberal! I don't think my dream candidates stand a chance. :cry:

Watch the video. Listen to his words.

And thanks to Like It Is for posting.

:yourock:

[Honeycombe8]

94. Wish he had a good chance at winning. Doesn't look like it, though.

Still, we'd all be the better for it. He would make the best President, IMO.

If we're lucky, a Dem. will win the GE and will name Biden as Sec of State.

But sometimes miracles happen. Who knows?

[Like It Is]

96. At this time 4 years ago Howard Dean was way out in front.

John Kerry was at 4 pct.

[murbley40]

100. Biden's chance...

If everyone who says"I like Biden,it's a shame he has no chance"; instead would say or at least think.. I like Biden, I'm going to do everything I can to help give him a chance. What can you do?
Well the obvious is donate as little as $5or$10 or more if you can to his campaign on a regular basis if possible;
blog everywhere you can and tell everyone why you like him,talk to your friends and family about him(especially those who don"t know him yet) and write letters to the editor in your home area papers about why you like him and think he would be a good president. And easiest of all display Biden bumper stickers,wear Biden t-shirts and stickers or buttons,and or display Biden yard signs.:D

[Like It Is]

95. Thank you very much. I appreciate that, really.

Plus the fact that it helps Joe.

[Inuca]

109. Biden at the National Presss Club

was great. Absolutely worth watching, look for it on the CSPAN site.

[KT2000]

121. My sentiments exactly

my once apolitical brother is so alarmed at the direction of this country he has actually become politcal!
Part of the reason is that he heard Biden talk and decided there might be some hope. He likes his strength and intelligence. He also educates people when he talks - he tells us what he wants to do and why.

Biden may not pass the liberal purity test but he has great appeal to the broader public.

[saltpoint]

98. I'm glad this thread is still kicking around. The video is compelling

and Biden's campaign has picked up the pace considerably in the last few weeks.

Of note, Baghdad does not seem more stable this morning and is likely not to be more stable next week or next month.

There's a confluence of extraordinarily bad news coming out of Iraq on one hand and Biden's established expertise in foreign policy on the other -- both lines charting for a collision this fall with the happy result that Joe Biden is likely to be a much stronger contender for the presidency as a result of the current presiden't s spectacular and tragic failure in Iraq.

[Like It Is]

101. That's why we keep it kicking,O.C.

The stinking media, especially CNN, NBC and MSNBC don't mention anyone but Hillary and Obama.

[murbley40]

102. Amen!

[murbley40]

103. kick

:kick: :dem: :kick: :dem: :kick:

[murbley40]

105. Biden supporters:

MSNBC/Politics halfway down vote

[Alexander]

125. Both Biden supporters will get around to it...

When they get home to Wilmington.

[Name removed]

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[saltpoint]

110. For now, the two frontrunners are getting the marquee billing, true.

But I've seen Democratic primary races get real jumbled up real awful fast.

And I feel a big jumble vibe about to kick in this fall.

[jillan]

111. omg OC

Biden really screwed up tonite :(

And Edwards wasn't given a chance to shine.
That was a horrible debate - very unorganized.

[saltpoint]

113. Getting 'focus' out of debates is very difficult. I'm not worried about

any of our Democrats after tonight's debate. I feel some of your frustration about the format, but no disappointment in our people.

I'm as proud of 'em now as I was this time yesterday.

A town meeting is probably a better format for Democrats.

FOX News is going to be the only safe format for the Pukes. They better just all camp out at Brit Hume's house from this point forward.

But our people are out there in Iowa and up in New Hampshire and so on. We're bringing the issues to the doorsteps of people who are willing to listen.

2008 is a blue year. The networks haven't called it yet, but I have!

[Like It Is]

112. I watched the AFL-CIO Forum from Chicago.

And surprisingly Dennis Kucinich, in my opinion won the debate. He had the best one liner and got all the right questions and gave very good answers. No, I'm not voting for Dennis. Joe Biden had a rough night, he tried to make a comment on a question that Dodd and Obama argued about and when he finally got the mike he had to split his time between two items and it didn't work very well. He called Edwards a Johnny come lately as a labor supporter. He said he had been a labor supporter for 34 years.

[saltpoint]

114. I expect some elbowing under the basket.

Because whoever wins our nomination in Denver is going to be the next president of the United States.

So much is riding on every debate question and every campaign stop.

I'm persuaded that a lot of the people we see on the debate stages now will be serving in our next Democratic Cabinet, no matter which of the pack forms our ticket.

I like our people and I like our chances.

[Like It Is]

115. The Republicans, being like they are, are hoping for Hillary or Obama.

They like their odds of beating the first woman nominee, or the first black or bi-racial nominee.

[murbley40]

116. It was not his best,but he is still the best choice

[Like It Is]

117. Right on ! exactly my opinion.

The stadium setting didn't help.

[Alexander]

122. Biden's mouth moves a lot faster than his brain.

Is he going to plagiarize his inaugural speech, too?

[demommom]

123. at least he has a brain

[Alexander]

124. At least the other candidates don't plagiarize speeches.

Really, is there anything more dishonest and disgusting than passing off someone else's work as your own?

[mrigirl]

126. Give me a break!!!

C'mon man- will you get over it aleady? Biden has explained himself repeatedly what happened! He quoted this guy a million times before and in ONE speech he forgot! People are human! He friggin' forgot. He didn't steal this guys stuff! GEEZ!!!!!

[demommom]

127. Forgive Alex , mrigirl

I think he has a one track mind. I haven't seen anything supportive for anyone from him.

[Alexander]

130. Actually, I support Gore...

But Bidenbots with one-track minds might not notice my five-year posting history where I have supported both Howard Dean and Al Gore.

I'm not an employee in the credit card industry. Biden will do nothing to help me.

[demommom]

132. Doesn't look like Gore or Dean will either.

I have a right to support Biden or whoever,and the credit card crap is getting a little old. The banking industry is very important to our small state and I would say that since we continue to elect him we approve of how he takes care of Delaware. I have supported Joe Biden since his first election to the Senate.I am a reasonably intelligent person who doesn't take kindly to be maligned by the likes of you because I do support him. You have not read one thing that I have written against another candidate only for my choice. Because you are a long time poster it is ok for you to call people who you disagree with
stupid names?

[Alexander]

133. Dean and Gore have already done way more than Biden ever could.

Some of us have long memories (longer than yours, apparently), and remember things like Anita Hill, Neil Kinnock, the MBNA bill, the IWR vote, and Biden's constant foot-in-mouth problem, particularly when it comes to people of other races.

"I have a right to support Biden or whoever,and the credit card crap is getting a little old."

1. No one's denying you your right to support Biden. Knock it off with the strawmen.

2. If the CC industry stuff is old to you, take it up with Biden. He voted for the damn bills.

"The banking industry is very important to our small state and I would say that since we continue to elect him we approve of how he takes care of Delaware."

Thankfully, the interests of Delaware residents are not the interests of the country as a whole, nor should they be. What's good in Wilmington may suck for everyone else, and in this case it does.

"I have supported Joe Biden since his first election to the Senate."

Ah, so you've been intensely loyal to Biden for 30 years. Does your hero worship need any more explaining?

"I am a reasonably intelligent person who doesn't take kindly to be maligned by the likes of you because I do support him. You have not read one thing that I have written against another candidate only for my choice."

I'm not maligning you. I'm pointing out facts about your candidate - or is it hero?

And your second sentence didn't make a damn bit of sense. Is English your first language?

"Because you are a long time poster it is ok for you to call people who you disagree with stupid names?"

I call them as I see them. If you are so thin-skinned that you can't stand honest debate about your candidate, maybe you shouldn't post fanatical diatribes about how wonderful he is.

[Alexander]

129. Biden plagiarized his law school work AND Neil Kinnock's speech.

Don't try that bullshit on me. It obviously didn't work 20 years ago and it won't work today.

[dugggy]

140. Baloney....almost every political speech has portions uttered bu someone B4

There has been Billions of political writings and speeches.
There is not a single new speech or writing that has some lines which have been said or written before. Means shit.

There is nothing wrong in reiterating what has been said by others if you agree with that line of thinking.

[Alexander]

146. Biden flunked a law school class for plagiarism. Spin that one.

[dugggy]

151. I suppose everyone is entitled to some mistakes?

But honestly we can not take anything away from Biden's
deep & thoughtful & intelligent understanding of foreign
affairs. I have heard him numerous times on TV shows, and
his knowledge comes through loud and clear.

As for making errors in judgement, do you know of any person
who has never made one?

[Alexander]

158. Biden repeated his law school mistakes, in 1987. Some people don't learn.

"But honestly we can not take anything away from Biden's
deep & thoughtful & intelligent understanding of foreign
affairs. I have heard him numerous times on TV shows, and
his knowledge comes through loud and clear."

Yeah, his vote for the IWR was really thoughtful. :eyes:

"As for making errors in judgement, do you know of any person
who has never made one?"

It's interesting that you used the word "intelligent" to describe Biden.

A man who, not once but twice, was caught plagiarizing.

A man who repeatedly puts his foot in his mouth at every opportunity.

A man who makes borderline racist comments about gas station attendants and Barack Obama.

My definition of "intelligent" includes learning from the mistakes you make so you don't repeat them.

Biden hasn't learned anything. Therefore he can't be that intelligent.

[dugggy]

161. He has been RE-elected senator more than anyone in mine or your family

for 5 generations will ever get elected to senate.
You don't accomplish that without being smart, effective
and yes INTELLIGENT.

[Alexander]

165. Strom Thurmond was re-elected many times after he was no longer competent.

Nice to see your "argument" has been reduced to "He got re-elected, so he must be good!"

:rofl:

[Jillian]

141. Hello?

The man who started the smear campaign against Biden worked for Dukakis.

He later came out with a public apology to Biden.

http://www.jewishworldreview.com/cols/simon041104.asp

http://main.wgbh.org/ton/programs/3304_02

But you obviously only remember the lie.

[Alexander]

145. Even your source says Biden "inflated his academic record"...

Both sources say Biden didn't credit Kinnock on the occasion in question. They also don't refute anything I said.

In addition, Biden failed a law school class for plagiarism.

Nice try. Your hero-worship is causing you to go blind, apparently.

:rofl: :rofl:

[jillan]

148. He did not fail a class - show me a link!

He forgot a footnote.

Big deal.

Here is more on Dukakis' aide

unfortunately, because these articles are in archives, the NYT charges for the full article - but here are some snips

Dukakis, in Iowa, Is Contrite Over Aide's Move Against Biden
By ROBIN TONER, SPECIAL TO THE NEW YORK TIMES
LEAD: Gov. Michael S. Dukakis walked a trail of contrition through Iowa today, apologizing at almost every stop for what his campaign manager did to Senator Joseph R. Biden Jr. From a high school here to a center for the elderly in Onawa, a somber Mr. Dukakis voiced his dismay at the actions of his campaign manager, John Sasso, who resigned this week after taking responsibility for circulating a videotape that helped deflate the rival
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A Shaken Dukakis Tries to Put His Presidential Campaign Back on Track
By ROBIN TONER, SPECIAL TO THE NEW YORK TIMES
LEAD: Gov. Michael S. Dukakis, grim-faced and still shaken by the loss of his top adviser, today began the job of repairing the damage his Presidential campaign suffered from its role in a rival's downfall.
------------------------------------------------------------

Two Top Aides to Dukakis Resign As One Admits Role in Biden Tape
By ANDREW ROSENTHAL, SPECIAL TO THE NEW YORK TIMES
LEAD: Two top aides resigned from the Presidential campaign of Gov. Michael S. Dukakis today after the Governor acknowledged that one of them, his campaign manager, had given reporters a videotape that helped destroy the candidacy of a Democratic rival, Senator Joseph R. Biden Jr. The departure of John Sasso, the campaign manager, and Paul Tully, the Dukakis campaign's political director, dealt a serious blow to the candidacy of the Massachusetts Governor.
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Dukakis Aides Quit; The Truth Hurts Two Campaigns
LEAD: POLITICAL professionals were of several minds last week about how much damage was caused the Presidential candidacy of Gov. Michael S. Dukakis by the disclosure that it was two of his top aides who supplied a videotape that contributed to the downfall of a rival.

Want more?
It was a smear campaign against Biden.
Smear campaign - you are familiar with those, aren't you?

[Alexander]

149. "Biden Admits Plagiarism in Writing Law School Brief", L.A. TIMES, Sept. 18, 1987

"Biden initially received an “F” in an introductory class on legal methodology for writing a paper relying almost exclusively on a single Fordham Law Review article, which he had cited. Biden was allowed to repeat the course and passed with high marks."

So why did he fail? Was that part of a "smear campaign" orchestrated by his law professor?

:rofl: :rofl:

"He forgot a footnote."

Yes, Biden the plagiarist seems to "forget" to credit people a little too often for my liking. You'd think he would've learned the first time. Apparently not.

"Smear campaign - you are familiar with those, aren't you?"

Hero worship - you are familiar with that, aren't you? It involves making excuses for people, no matter what they do.

[jillan]

150. Yes- he forgot to cite his source.

The thing with Kinnock was different. He
used Kinnock in many stump speeches. And always cited him.

This time he didn't. John Sasso admitted that in his public apology.

After Sasso made the video of the speech in Iowa, and passed it around to the media,
the story about the footnote from law school came out. The smear campaign was that it was a pattern.

------------
And I have to say that this is such a minor thing.
It's not even as bad as a blowjob in the Oval Office.
And nowhere near lying us into a war.

---------------------

And don't give me this hero worship crap. I am the first to criticize Biden.

________________________________

So who do you support?
I'll be glad to bring up dirt about them, cuz I got dirt on them all.

[Alexander]

159. Biden "forgot" to cite his source more than once.

Seems like a strange case of amnesia to me.

"After Sasso made the video of the speech in Iowa, and passed it around to the media,
the story about the footnote from law school came out. The smear campaign was that it was a pattern."

Sasso didn't magically concoct Biden's plagiarized law paper. That was Biden's own fault, and no amount of your spinning will change that fact.

"And I have to say that this is such a minor thing."

If I were caught doing what Biden did, I would be expelled from college - and rightfully so.

Maybe it's "minor" to people who keep making excuses for him, but plagiarism is a very serious issue for those of us in the reality-based community.

"It's not even as bad as a blowjob in the Oval Office."

Clinton did it! Clinton did it! :eyes:

"And nowhere near lying us into a war."

1. Biden believed the lie.

2. Two wrongs don't make a right.

"And don't give me this hero worship crap. I am the first to criticize Biden."

Apparently not - even plagiarism is okay with you, as long as it's Joe Biden doing it.

"So who do you support?
I'll be glad to bring up dirt about them, cuz I got dirt on them all."

If you bother to look for any posts of mine, you'll know almost immediately who I support for 2008. And there's very little "dirt" on him at all.

I disagree with my preferred candidate on many issues, but I think this candidate has by far the best chance of winning.

[jillan]

160. You support Gore - right?

What are you going to do if he doesn't run?

I really don't know for sure. To be honest, I haven't been paying much attention to you, other than this
discussion we are having.

About Biden - and the plagerism - this is from his book -

"...It's all my fault. When I stopped trying to explain to everybody and thought it through, the blame fell totally on me. Maybe the reporters traveling with me had seen me credit Kinnock over and over, but it was Joe biden who forgot to credit Kinnock at the State Fair debate. I had been immature and skipped class and blown the Legal Methods Paper. I was the one who thought it was good enough to just get by in law school....." He talks about what he was feeling at that time, how it felt to be the butt of jokes and the topic of conversation by all the political pundits, how the media was camped outside his door, and how much it hurt.

That is the measure of a man. Someone who screws up, eats crow, learns from their mistakes, and moves on.

[murbley40]

162. Pirhana

:toast:

[Alexander]

166. Right.

"What are you going to do if he doesn't run?"

I think he will. You don't write a political book, create a movie about global warming, organize the largest series of concerts ever dedicated to the environment, and win the Nobel Peace Prize just so you can say "I've given up on politics completely".

Plus Gore has been signaling as of late that he may re-enter politics.

I am prepared for the possibility that he may not run. In that case, I support Wesley Clark. If he doesn't run, I'd be undecided. If none of the top-tier candidates impress me, I may vote Kucinich in protest.

"That is the measure of a man. Someone who screws up, eats crow, learns from their mistakes, and moves on."

At least Biden admitted it was his fault entirely, although the apologists on this thread seem to be telling me it's all John Sasso's fault.

I don't think Biden should drop out. Every candidate brings something unique to the table, and he is no exception.

I just don't think he'll ever win, due to his foot-in-mouth problem.

[Look My Way]

176. And I don't think Gore will run. n/t

[demommom]

128. kick

:kick:

[demommom]

138. This one's for you lii

:kick:

[ShortnFiery]

142. Biden is an intelligent man who is constantly tripping over his massive EGO.

In the above sense, he makes one spicy meatball, a competent Senator but NOT a viable Presidential Candidate in the real world of politics. :shrug:

[demommom]

143. I disagree!

[jillan]

144. I don't understand your line of thinking -

I see more ego from BO than Biden any day.

Infact - all BO talks about is how wonderful he is.
Not about anything else, just himself.

And *news flash*
you have to have an ego to run for President.

[demommom]

153. kick

:kick:

[mrigirl]

164. kick

This is for Like It Is- miss ya!

[surfermaw]

163. I am strongly for Edwards,Biden second choice

I would love to see Biden as V.P. for Edwards, have always admired Biden we need Edwards as President and Biden as second man, that would be an answer to any one that thinks Hill, is the only person with the ability to govern in this terrible time. Edwards-Biden, or Edwards -Gore, would fill the shoes that people fell Hillary can only fill , because she has so much experience.

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[mrigirl]

168. hey one fool

did you actually take the time to watch this???
Or better yet check out a recent interview w/ Biden and Charlie Rose under the thread Biden Discusses Impeachment- I Like His Answer. Whirlygirl posted it. Almost all the way down.
If you decide to take the time to listen to Biden you might actually realize the guy's our best chance at turning this country around. I gurantee you if you opened your ears and forgot who the MEDIA wants as Pres you might find yourself backing a guy like Biden.

[murbley40]

169. mrigirl

:applause: :applause:

[bamacrat]

170. He is good, he is my number two behind Kucinich.

I would love to see a Kucinich/Biden or Biden/Kucinich ticket. Our country might actually be worth a damn then. But instead we will get the media friendly candidates.

[murbley40]

171. kick

:dem:

[Look My Way]

177. I see Biden as Prez, Kucinich as Secretary of Labor.

We need them both.

[demommom]

172. kick

:kick:

[Look My Way]

173. What are you kicking about ?

Happy Days are here again!

[murbley40]

174. Welcome!!

:hi:

[Look My Way]

175. Thanks, I see you're a Johnny come lately too. Or is it Joan? n/t