Is Obama Becoming a THREAT to the Establishment?

[Bullet1987]

One of the things that fell Howard Dean in 2004 is that he became a threat to the establishment. One of the things you're going to begin to see more and more from the MSM and Press as Iowa and New Hampshire loom closer are gross distortions and fabrications of what he says and his stances. Obama, by positioning himself as the non-establishment candidate cause many in the media and politics to attack him because that means he's a threat to the status quo. I don't think Obama has said anything yet that'll sorely hurt his chances with primary voters, he's been pretty much on the right side. But the MSM will begin to swiftboat the hell out of him...so all Obama supporters need to keep their ears open.

[Mythsaje]

1. If he keeps sounding like Edwards, he will...

Just saying.

[Colobo]

2. Why do you think he's being attacked by everyone? They know he's the true agent of change...

[LadyAziz]

3. So true

esp. the Hillary supporters who can't seem to stop talking about him. :eyes:

[Ethelk2044]

33. Exactly. Like the said today MSM all of the other candidates are attacking him.

[smalll]

4. No, "They" are all tied up at the moment, silencing John "All My Life" Edwards. /nt

[MrRobotsHolyOrders]

5. define "they"

Please, be specific.

[smalll]

11. I'd have to defer to Senator Edwards to supply the definition,

he was the one who first brought Them up in Creston Iowa a week or so back (July 26th.) He said:

"This stuff's not an accident. Nobody in this room should think this is an accident. You know, I'm out there speaking up for universal healthcare, ending this war in Iraq, speaking up for the poor. They want to shut me up. That's what this is about ... They will never silence me. Never."

[MrRobotsHolyOrders]

15. Like Eugene Debs!

Only with much better hair, and a palatial estate.

[Forkboy]

6. I see him as part of it,and the thought of him being a "threat" to it is almost laughable to me.

:shrug:

[draft_mario_cuomo]

9. How is a guy who raises more than HRC and Giuliani combined on Wall Street anti-establishment?

I agree, Forkboy.

[MrRobotsHolyOrders]

13. Because they think he can win

And want influence? If you're really this concerned about where the money is coming from, I'm sure Mike Gravel's campaign needs volunteers.

[draft_mario_cuomo]

18. And because they recognize he would be good for their interests (like Clinton in the 90's)

They don't randomly dole out money...HRC has a greater chance of becoming president than Obama, Edwards has a slightly lower chance than Obama. Yet Obama crushed HRC nearly 2-to-1 on Wall Street and beat Edwards 17-to-1. They clearly like what Obama is selling. ;)

[MrRobotsHolyOrders]

24. They think he'll win, obviously.

If you're under some weird assumption that a President Edwards will rip out the NYSE and turn it into a day care for the children of low income mothers, your Populist Mirage is something to behold.

[MrRobotsHolyOrders]

12. Honestly

Do you really think President Edwards/Dodd/Richardson/Xenu/Krusty the Clown has hands so clean that corporate influence would never dare touch them?

[Forkboy]

17. Nope,I don't.

But the thread is about Obama being anti-establishment,and he's not.I'd be equally amused had it been about nearly all of the candidates. :shrug:

[Bullet1987]

22. Anto-establishment is probably the wrong word...

Non-establishment is more like it. And he is running as a non-establishment candidate whether some here want to admit it or not.

[MrRobotsHolyOrders]

23. You + Me= Same Page

The concepts on here, be it "the establishment" or "they" or whatever, puzzle the fuck out of me.

[laugle]

26. Did I miss something.....who's

"Krusty the clown?" LOL

[Skink]

7. I see him as the Centrist canidate.

albeit progressive.

[draft_mario_cuomo]

8. No. Follow the money. The establishment loves him nt

[MrRobotsHolyOrders]

10. What is the "establishment"?

In a lot of ways, Howard Dean all but won, for the moment; he's the warrior king of the DNC, and lacking a presidential figurehead, as powerful a figure in the party as anybody. His strategies work. He's (possibly) the most major strategic figure in the 2006 sweep.

If you mean broader scope, none of the candidates except Kucinich or Gravel or Paul or Tancredo would really be a radical change in the way the country is governed. Obama is putting forward new policy ideas that are differing strongly from the way things are done in the party, which could be for the better or the worse.

As foreign policy goes, "the establishment" in a Democratic sense almost certainly means the wise old heads of the previous Clinton White House. Judging from the cameos from Albright and Holbrooke, they know they've got no place in an Obama White House.

[Justyce]

14. Of the current candidates, I would say Edwards is the

biggest "threat to the establishment". The media is doing its best to Dean him.

[MrRobotsHolyOrders]

16. Before my brain aneurism.

"Threat to the establishment" is being bandied about with the quickness. What establishment, and why is John Edwards a threat to it?

He's going to nationalize industry? Fight Candy Crowley in a cage match? Declare everyday Christmas?

[Forkboy]

20. "Threat to the establishment" is being bandied about with the quickness.

You're right,but why didn't you ask any of that to the OP?

"What establishment, and why is {Barrack Obama} a threat to it?"

The question is equally as valid directed towards Obama.

[MrRobotsHolyOrders]

21. Ok

I did (#10), and he didn't answer either.

[laugle]

27. Welcome newby,

we need a little humor here to lighten the load!

[Skink]

25. Edwards can't be Deaned by the media.

That is why this is the chance we have been waiting for.

[sandnsea]

19. Everyone except Hillary

is a threat to the establishment that is backed by the media elites.

[snowbear]

28. No, but your thread is a THREAT to the sanity of DU !!!

....................

[illinoisprogressive]

29. they have been stepping up the swiftboating since april. and upping the Hillary cheers.

[elizm]

30. He can't be swiftboated...

He is the real deal. In a matter of time all will see it. He is our hope for the future. Just listen.

[snowbear]

31. I agree, he CAN'T. And that's why I think the way the OP worded his thread title is...

..... horrible.

[elizm]

34. I have seen him 4 times now...

In the beginning I just listened intently to what he had to say. Now when I hear him I am just moved by the possibilities. He IS our hope. I just wish all would listen with an open mind.

[venable]

35. I've never seen him in person, but some who have report the opposite of what you do

ie that they still believe in him, but slightly less after hearing him on the stump.

this is purely anecdotal so please feel free to disregard.

[elizm]

36. I will feel free to disregard...

..especially since you have never heard him in person...which is what I was asking in my post. Until then, you really can't comment.

[venable]

38. fine nt

[Ethelk2044]

32. Yes

[Superman Returns]

37. yes

It's time to admit that Iraq is not a Republican War - it was bipartisan. The same conventional wisdom that is attacking Obama is the same conventional wisdom that dismissed any Iraq War opponent as far left and weak on defense. Despite the fact that many who were against the Iraq War, like Obama, saw the strategic consequences and how our security would be further jeopardized, the conventional wisdom within our own party wore faux Truman and JFK face masks to correlate being pro-war with being pro-defense.