I don't see anything Beyond Hillary..but "Nice Clothes" & Hubby who was P-Resident for 8 Years!

[KoKo]

Help me out and tell me why I should VOTE for ANOTHER "ENTITLED?"

:shrug:

[msongs]

1. hillary, obama, and edwards are all entitled insiders. others are available nt

[Sonicmedusa]

2. She is experienced

....At selling us down the river.

[Democrats_win]

3. As a young lawyer, she worked on the Watergate scandal. She has many accomplishments.

Most of all, who better than a Clinton to put this country on a better track after a bush fiasco?

Of course only Dennis Kucinich could put this country on the Right track.

[welshTerrier2]

4. well, how about this: she'll appoint pro-lobbyist judges

as i've been saying for some time now, we're stuck with a choice thus far between corporate right, the republicans, and corporate left, the "leading" Democrats.

people tell me that if Hillary wins, she will appoint "liberal" judges. yeah, maybe socially liberal judges on an issue like abortion. that's not good enough. she'll also appoint judges that equate money to free speech. that means no restrictions on corporate personhood and the dumping of the mega-millions of mega-corporations into our electoral processes, our legislative processes and just plain old lobbying on policy issues.

Hillary is bought and paid for by the corporate machinery that is dollar by dollar destroying our democracy.

She voted for cluster bombs around populated, civilian areas!!!!! What else do you really need to know?

[dsc]

14. Please name just say 25 out of the over 400 judges appointed by Bill

who have equated money with speech (and upholding the precedent of Buckly v Valejo doesn't count if the judge isn't on SCOTUS). You made this claim back it up.

[welshTerrier2]

15. bill isn't running ... Hillary is ...

we all heard her message loudly and clearly.

[dsc]

16. Then I want a citation of her saying she would appoint the judges

you say she would. I was trying to give you an easier out but since you won't take it, then I would like that citation or an admission that you have no clue what you are talking about.

[welshTerrier2]

17. sorry. you don't get to make the rules ...

here's your answer: Hillary will appoint judges who are consistent with her beliefs. Wanna disagree with that? Explain why.

she's doing very, very nicely sucking up to the K Street boys. she thinks lobbyists are just fine and dandy. do you really think she would hesitate to appoint a judge who disagrees with her view on the issue?

i just love these "show me an exact statement where blah blah blah" ... many things occur in the future that we can't foresee. our job as voters is to make the most realistic assessments of candidates based on what they have said and what they have done. when a candidate is comfortable with lobbyists, we make our best and most reasonable forecast about how those views and values will be reflected in court nominees.

so, if this isn't a reasonable process for you, that's just too bad. you want to hand out the "you don't have a clue" awards, go right ahead. I'll give you the "you must be supporting Hillary and trying desperately to spin the discussion away from what she said about lobbyists" award.

oh, actually, you're a dual award winner for bringing up Bill Clinton who, of course, had absolutely nothing to do with my post. Why don't you stick your own title on that one.

[dsc]

18. so you are making stuff up

nice to know that.

[welshTerrier2]

19. by the way ...

i notice you chose not to comment on Hillary's vote against Feinstein's amendment that called for the banning of cluster bomb use in populated areas. convenient ...

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[splat]

5. Like Laura? Hardly. Hillary holds her own n/t

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8. Oh, no, no shill. It's her turn. She's not his puppet.

[Like It Is]

22. All that money from the banks and insurance companies poured in.

Because she is Hillary, not Bill's wife? Get real. Hill is Bill's Shill. Don't think the Repugs won't throw it at her in the General Election if she should get the nomination.

[Gman]

7. I don't care who you vote for in the primaries

but you need to vote for whoever is the Democratic nominee.

[jobycom]

9. Of for fuck's sake.

Can't you find something positive to say about your own candidate? All this sniping sounds like kindergarten. Obviously a lot of people see her as experienced, intelligent, level-headed, and a shrewd politician with the skill to handle a split Congress. There is plenty good and bad to say about every candidate. If the main thing you can think to post is an uninformed question on someone else's candidate, why not go read a good book? Or better, do some research and post something factual and knowledgable. Hell, even if it's against Clinton, at least make it constructive. What don't you like about her? What factually don't you like about her? When Bill was president, all the damn Republicans whined that Hillary was really the one running the show. Now that she's running, they are all saying her only qualification is that she is Bill's wife.

If you don't know more about her--about how she's taken a leadership role in everything she's done since before she met Bill, about her involvement in charitable and political organizations her whole life, about how she became a powerful attorney on her own merits, about her two terms in the Senate--then Google around until you've learned.

Here, read this article. At least learn what you are talking about before you start sounding like a freakin' Republican. You don't have to like her or vote for her, but at least learn the difference between being informed and just spouting off some Republican talking point you heard somewhere. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillary_Clinton

[madrchsod]

11. party pooper..

you take all the fun out of gd/p. misinformation is what runs this forum lately

[jobycom]

24. I'm working on it. When they move from "I hate Hillary" to "Her supporters are stupid"

it pisses me off. I haven't even decided who I'll vote for, yet, and I've got some issues with Clinton, but for the OP to imply that those who are supporting her (or considering her) are being fooled by an empty suit just pisses me off.

[Cameron27]

12. I recommend.....your post!

[ruggerson]

10. And some on here actually had the balls to argue with my misogyny post

rofl

[Forkboy]

13. I'm not sure you realize how funny your subject line is.

[ruggerson]

21. I typed it, n'est-ce pas?

n/t

[KoKo]

23. It just was funny....really...think about what you said...n/t

[saltpoint]

20. Hillary Clinton has an Ivy League education. My guess is she earned hers,

unlike the current incumbent.

If I am supporting another Democrat in the primary, and if I am more enthusiastic about other Democrats for our party's 08 nomination, I am nevertheless respectful of people who are admitted to our best universities and who thrive in those settings. Not many women not so long ago attended college. More do now, of course, but Senator Clinton back then exceeded all expectations. Women of my mother's generation went to college in small percentages; women did not emerge until recently as professionals in and of themselves, whether as homemakers, mothers, secretaries, Senators, or anything else. There were no women newscasters on most local news stations into the late 1960s and in some places beyond into the 70s. There were no women news anchors on national network news programs each evening. There still isn't at CBS.

Hillary Clinton is from Illinois. She could have coasted there, finding a lucrative niche in a big law firm in Springfield or Rockford, stayed put, and remained the impressive big fish in a relatively small pond. She set her sights well beyond that, and not too long later was married to a governor-to-be in whom she must have placed great faith.

A lot of Americans began to pay heightened attention to Hillary Clinton during the Monica Lewinsky/Impeachment episode, and she appeared to me to conduct herself with true dignity through that, despite the treatment she received -- misogynistic and dismissive -- from Rush Limbaugh and the other far-right kooks who sought to discredit her and her husband with their private character assassinations on the public airwaves.

There is very significant achievement in Hillary Clinton. Whether she is your first choice or not, she is one of maybe half a dozen people with any realistic chance at becoming our next president. It might be wise to approach these half a dozen folks with the field sense required when approaching someone History is interested in.

[jobycom]

25. Okay...

I like your post way, way better than my own. Thanks. Beautifully said.

:thumbsup:

[saltpoint]

28. Hi, jobycom. From your post I got a strong jolt of principle when

it comes to the idea of loyalty to our candidates.

Apart from any disagreement with anyone else, I mean, and more in the light of "Hell, I want this person with me while I canvas, call, stuff envelopes, and hang signs in 08."

[ruggerson]

26. OC

you have much more patience than I.

[saltpoint]

27. Hi to you, ruggerson. There are dozens of thousands of us here on

DU.

If I got to pick a roundtable of some of the best insights I've read on these boards, you'd be on that roundtable.

I've seen you stick to your principles time and time again, and that takes more than patience. It takes patience and excellent citizenship.

[ruggerson]

29. Back atcha

What you write is well reasoned and thoughtful and provocative. Not to mention courteous.

[noamnety]

31. Your choice to see what you want.

If you judge women by their clothing and husband, who has the issue?

Not a fan of Hillary, but at least my opinion is based on her votes and issues. I suggest asking yourself why you don't see votes and issues when you look at certain candidates?

[Douglas Carpenter]

32. What are you expecting, substance??? Isn't that kind of shallow?

I only see one candidate with that, a certain Congressman whose chances of being elected President in 2008 appear to be only slightly better than mine. Still if the choice is any of the Republican contenders, well, what can we do?