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davidswanson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-05-07 12:33 AM
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The Dumbest Thing the Washington Post Could Print
By David Swanson

The Washington Post today published an article by Michael Tomasky called "The Dumbest Move the Dems Could Make." With a lot of publications, this article itself would have been the dumbest thing they'd ever printed. Of course, we're talking about the Washington Post, a newspaper that cheered in hundreds of articles and columns and editorials for a cakewalk in Iraq. Still, this was the single dumbest thing the Post could possibly have printed at this time.

The Democrats in Congress, already less popular than the least popular president in history, have just rolled over and legalized his illegal spying. That's the only way they can "get things done." They can pass bills that should not be passed. Any useful bills have been and will be vetoed. So, the Democrats have two options left to them. First, they can announce that there will be no more bills to fund the occupation of Iraq. Second, they can impeach Bush and Cheney. Impeachment would force Republicans to defend Bush and Cheney for the next year and a half, which ought to be deadly to any politician. In fact, if enough Republicans recognize that, a conviction in the Senate will be possible. But the point is to impeach in the House, to put Bush and Cheney on the defensive, and to pass bills at the same time with an increased chance of them actually becoming law.

Tomasky's claim, of course, is that impeachment would be the dumbest move the Democrats could make. By standing up for 54% of Americans and 76% of Democrats, Congressional leaders would, according to Tomasky, somehow hurt themselves. Tomasky makes no mention of the people who would die in Iraq and as a result of other Bush-Cheney policies while the Democrats wisely refrained from impeaching. Nor does he recall the last time they listened to arguments identical to his, when they took the impeachment of Ronald Reagan off the table. A pack of criminals got off easy, and the Democrats LOST the elections. Nor is there any mention of Richard Nixon, who was more popular than Bush and Cheney are, but whose popularity did not get any boost from Congress's efforts to impeach him. In fact, the Democrats won the biggest victories in recent memory (well, apparently not recent enough for Tomasky).

Based on absolutely no evidence or anecdote of any sort, Tomasky simply asserts, as the Republican National Committee and Nancy Pelosi both initially did 14 months ago, that impeachment would "convert Bush from the figure of contempt and mockery he is now into one of vague sympathy." Sympathy? People disapprove of Bush and Cheney in record numbers because they view them as criminals. Getting tough on crimes rarely creates sympathy for the criminals in the hearts of Americans.

"Just as bad," says Tomasky, "it's the one move that would definitively alienate nonideological voters and, therefore, harm the Democrats' otherwise excellent chances for winning congressional seats and the White House in 2008." Definitively? Clearly "definitively" should not be confused with "based on at least a shred of evidence." Fewer than 5% of voters in 2004 ever planned to vote for Bush or Kerry and switched to the other. Isn't a candidate's relationship to the much greater number of voters who support their party going to prove much more important than how they play to that 5 percent?

But listen to this bit of fantasy from Tomasky: "One of the Democrats' strongest arguments for 2008, regardless of their nominee, will be that it's time for the country to set aside rampant partisanship and ideologically driven government. Impeachment would take away that argument."

The fact that it didn't work out this way for the Republicans after they impeached Clinton (they hung onto both houses and the White House) is something Tomasky dismisses by simply claiming that Republicans are different. But so would be a Democratic Party that finally stood up on its hind legs and impeached.

The Democrats' strongest arguments will not include a promise to end partisanship, which most Democratic voters don't give a rat's ass about. The Dems strongest arguments will derive from whatever they do in the next year and a half to develop partisanship, to distinguish their party from the other one. Their strongest criticisms of the Republicans will include Bush and Cheney's numerous crimes and abuses. Accusing people who are guilty of routine law-breaking, lying, detaining, torturing, and murdering, of "partisanship" misses the mark widely.

Tomasky claims to believe that impeachment would "pull the country apart." Unlike, say, launching an unpopular illegal aggressive war on the basis of lies, jettisoning the Bill of Rights, and transferring massive wealth from the rest of us to the filthy rich? Anyone who believes this country is united, and united with the least popular president on record, had better acquire and keep a regular job with the Washington Post. Impeaching Nixon ended a crisis and healed a nation. As John Nichols says, calling impeachment a constitutional crisis is like calling aspirin a headache crisis.

What would Tomasky have Congress do instead of impeaching? Well, he says, "There are plenty of ways to hold the administration accountable that don't carry so high a price. Last I looked, Democrats were doing a pretty aggressive job of it. According to Pelosi's office, 13 high-ranking administration officials have resigned rather than face genuine congressional oversight."

So, that's the plan? Get subordinates to resign? What about all the subordinates, resigned and otherwise, who have refused to comply with subpoenas? Have they been held accountable? Has Bush? Has Cheney? These are serious questions, Mr. Tomasky, ones you should try to come up with an answer for out of your own head, rather than running to Pelosi to find out what the official line is.

Pelosi tends to feed her view of the world to astroturf groups like Daily Kos that do her bidding. But any group with enough people in it, is pro-impeachment whether permitted to be or not. Even the Washington Post reports that the high point of Congressman Dennis Kucinich's speech today at the Yearly Kos convention was this: "'With respect to Dick Cheney he should be impeached for lying.' 'Nuff said. In this audience Kucinich couldn't have scored better if he announced he was handing out $100 bills after the forum."

Impeachment is on the table outside the beltway, as even Tomasky admits. But, as the Washington Post has never reported and probably never will, impeachment is also alive and well in Congress. Forty-three Congress Members now stand in one manner or another for impeachment.

Seventeen have signed on as cosponsors of H. Res. 333, a bill proposing articles of impeachment against Vice President Dick Cheney. H Res 333 cosponsors include, Dennis Kucinich, Jan Schakowsky, Maxine Waters, Hank Johnson, Keith Ellison, Lynn Woolsey, Barbara Lee, Albert Wynn, William Lacy Clay, Yvette Clarke, Jim McDermott, Jim Moran, Bob Filner, Sam Farr, Robert Brady, Tammy Baldwin, and Donald Payne.

Twenty-seven have signed onto H Res. 589, a bill proposing the impeachment of Attorney General Alberto Gonzales. The cosponsors are Jay Inslee, Xavier Becerra, Michael Arcuri, Ben Chandler, Dennis Moore, Bruce Braley, Tom Udall, Earl Blumenauer, Peter DeFazio, Hank Johnson, Steve Cohen, Keith Ellison, David Wu, Yvette Clarke, Darlene Hooley, Betty McCollum, Timothy Bishop, Barney Frank, Carolyn Maloney, Ed Perlmutter, Tammy Baldwin, Shelley Berkley, Raul Grijalva, Ed Pastor, Ellen Tauscher, Rush Holt, and Jim McGovern.

Only Johnson, Ellison, Clarke, and Baldwin have signed onto both bills. (17 + 27 -4 = 40)

Congressmen Jesse Jackson Jr. and Maurice Hinchey have recently said that they support the impeachment of Cheney and Bush, but have not yet signed onto any bills. (40 + 2 = 42)

Other Congress Members have said privately that they favor impeachment but not these bills, even that they would only support impeachment if it included Bush. The lack of cross-over support between the two existing bills is an indication of the importance of petty personal politics within Congress, and the extent to which Congress Members will sign onto a bill based on who the sponsor and cosponsors are and who asks them, and whether anyone asks them, to sign on.

Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi has opposed impeachment since May 2006, but this week said that if she were not the Speaker she would probably be backing impeachment, and that impeachment of Gonzales is clearly merited. (42 + 1 = 43)

And here's some breaking news from YearlyKos about Rep. Steve Cohen (D-TN), a very progressive freshman who serves on the crucial Judiciary Committee.

Rep. Cohen could not get to Chicago but he sent a spokesman who announced, as reported by Bob Fertik:

Rep. Cohen is leaning strongly towards joining Rep. Kucinich's bill to impeach Cheney. Congress needs hearings, but so much evidence has already been produced, and there is so much obstructionism from the administration. Congress does not have to wait months for procedural decisions to come down from the Supreme Court. If Congress can't get to the root of the matter right quick it could be brought to a vote. All they need is a majority in the House.

Well, that and the wisdom not to believe really really dumb things.
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-05-07 12:41 AM
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1. it is appalling that the democrats are so poor in framing, changing the
talking points, and wresting control of the agenda from the republicans.

the republicans hammer the same things over and over in a coordinated and cooperative way and dems cannot or will not.

even with all the positive things dems in congress have accomplished they are not as a body able to portray themselves effectively. Instead it is a symphony of reaction, deflection, and apologizing. On this very day a democratic congressman capitulated, surrendered, and withdrew his true statement of the nature of the bush regime. Even when absolutely right he caved in.

seems like a lack of leadership to me.

msongs
www.msongs.com/political-shirts.htm
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-05-07 01:00 AM
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3. there's nary a strategist worth a plugged nickel.
I've known that for some years now.

If they would just plug in to the Internets -- that's where the best strategists are.
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puebloknot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-05-07 12:51 AM
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2. K&R Elementary! nt
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-05-07 01:02 AM
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4. Speaking of dumb things in print, Davey baby, how about THIS:
Pelosi tends to feed her view of the world to astroturf groups like Daily Kos that do her bidding.


1) Daily Kos is NOT an astroturf site, David, and everybody goddamn well knows it. It's a VIGOROUS GRASS ROOTS site, as those who ever visited even for a second or two can discern for themselves.

2) Daily Kos does NOT do Nancy Pelosi's bidding, and everybody goddamn well knows that, too. VIGOROUS Pelosi-bashing goes on there around the clock, as those who ever visited even for a second or two can discern for themselves.

Too bad you had to RUIN an otherwise valuable thread with a gratuitous and obvious lying smear of a major progressive Democratic online gathering place. My question to you is, are you here to promote progressive Democratic values, or to split and destroy the progressive Democratic community?
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Silence Dogood Donating Member (215 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-05-07 07:35 AM
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6. Kos is not grass roots either, it's NET roots.. n/t
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-05-07 08:28 AM
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7. Good catch. Highly technical, but good.
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davidswanson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-05-07 09:02 AM
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9. Kos
is two things. It's all the users of the site, which makes it highly pro-impeachment. And it's the guy in charge who sets up policies. He's fiercely anti-impeachment. He banned Cindy Sheehan for challenging Pelosi. He refused to allow Kucinich to come to his convention until threatened with a protest campaign. I'm a fan of the site as a whole and its users. They're great. But the site also has official policies on what sort of articles can be posted on the left-hand side. Ask some of the self-censoring bloggers about it.
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fightthegoodfightnow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-05-07 06:09 PM
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20. Yea.........I've heard that before....
That explains why there were no breakouts at the KOS convention on 'Impeachment" even though there were close to 150 breakouts.

I think he's too close to the powers that be.
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creeksneakers2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-05-07 07:02 AM
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5. Kos isn't astroturf n/t
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DutchLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-05-07 08:48 AM
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8. Why didn't Kucinich cosponsor the bill to impeach Gonzo?
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-05-07 09:34 AM
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10. Dave, what was the last year the Washington Post was favorable to the Democrats?
In your opinion?
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davidswanson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-05-07 10:17 AM
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13. i take offense
at your implication that I am THAT old :-)
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-05-07 09:52 PM
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21. Noted Ben Bradlee's comment that he feels guilty he didn't continue with Watergate investigation . .
but he thought it would hurt his career -- !!!!
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-05-07 10:15 PM
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22. I didn't see that comment by Bradlee because I was too busy researching what a friend told me about
Operation Mockingbird.

I didn't know that Walter Pincus was involved with that operation.
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-05-07 09:40 AM
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11. This is generally a very excellent post. The message is just do it.
Just impeach. Ignore the predictable objections.

Dems are allowing the extension of our invasion and slaughter in Iraq.
Dems are allowing atrocious invasions of privacy
Dems are blinking at Republican theivery and congressional accounting is a joke.
Dems allowed vote theft.
Dems like lobbyists.

Republicans have placed Dems in a steel cage - a little unlocked for going and coming - going to do THEIR work and returning for more instruction and direction.

If Dems stay to this path - history will not write it up well.
If Dems stay to this path - it means they approve of all the killing, maiming, theft, deception, destruction - the worst being the destruction of our Constitution, Bill of Rights, and BALANCE OF POWER.

This is my impression. This is my fear. This is very important point in the history of this country under white Christians from Europe.

To count and list who is getting away with what by voting with Republicans proves that Dems are allowing it. Evidently, some leaders have a higher tolerance level for secrecy, deception, theft, death, torture, cheating, spending our money in trillions and ignoring our citizens while 'inventorying' our every personal data bit AND CAVING in to every entity called a corporation - that's what it seems like. The direction appears to be to follow and step in the tracks of Republican criminals.

It would be nice if you retracted your comment about Daily Kos.
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Wetzelbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-05-07 09:42 AM
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12. thanks for the post David, keep up the good work nt
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davidswanson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-05-07 10:20 AM
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14. thanks
oh, and i do not know why kucinich has nto signed onto inslee - or, for that matter, vice versa, other than that they probably have not asked each other. Congress is a little like high school with bigger weapons.
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Wetzelbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-05-07 10:27 AM
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15. you're welcome
I actually thought he did sign onto it, until, well, I looked it up. I was surprised that he didn't I still haven't found any reason why he wouldn't, maybe they'll meet up in study hall and discuss it. :)
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In Truth We Trust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-05-07 10:52 AM
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16. IMPEACH NOW! Either you are with us or you are against us. nt
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bread_and_roses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-05-07 11:28 AM
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17. same old, same old...i'm more than half convinced the Dems are just salivating at all the power this
cabal has concentrated in the executive branch 'cause they'll have it next -

i scanned the article - very very quickly, i'm on my way out the door - but i didn't see anything about the Constitution, or separation of powers, or civil liberties, or crimes against international law and humanity... i guess they don't matter
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fightthegoodfightnow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-05-07 03:53 PM
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18. When Will Democrats Start Being Democrats
Michael Tomasky is wrong when he says "One of the Democrats' strongest arguments for 2008, regardless of their nominee, will be that it's time for the country to set aside rampant partisanship and ideologically driven government. Impeachment would take away that argument."

Nonsense. It's time for the Democratic wing of the Democratic party to finally take root. Pelosi isn't helping. You think she would have gotten the message when we elected a democratic majority that enabled her to take a leadership role. I've never been more disappointed in my life. I've lost all respect for her.
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davidswanson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-05-07 05:53 PM
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19. A Wing Taking Root
is just too apt a metaphor for the Democratic Party.
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calteacherguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-06-07 03:17 AM
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23. The Post is correct.
You don't have to be as expert a nose counter as Lyndon B. Johnson to know that impeachment wouldn't succeed. You'd have to get both Bush and Cheney to make any difference, which makes it a heavier lift. Even if the articles of impeachment somehow got through the House -- a stretch, because 61 Democrats represent nominally "red" districts and thus may feel compelled to vote nay -- conviction would require 67 votes in the Senate. That means at least 18 Republicans would have to vote to remove a Republican president and vice president. (I'm assuming that Sen. Joseph I. Lieberman, an independent, would vote no.) Of course, new bombshells could change all that. But for now, impeachment advocates are urging Democrats to start a fight they'd lose.

<snip>

One of the Democrats' strongest arguments for 2008, regardless of their nominee, will be that it's time for the country to set aside rampant partisanship and ideologically driven government. Impeachment would take away that argument.


I agree with the article...
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