I am SOOOO EXCITED about Keith moderating the debate tonight!

[Nimrod2005]

I can't wait!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:toast: :bounce: :nopity: :beer: :hi: :thumbsup: :dem: :loveya: :headbang: :woohoo: :popcorn: :patriot: :yourock:

[gizmo1979]

1. Watch them melt.

It's going to be hot hot hot.Literally.Humid too.

[Like It Is]

3. The smart ones will remove their jacket and roll up their sleeves.

However they might have the Chicago Bears cooling units on stage. I feel sorry for the audience.

[Nite Owl]

2. And I have a meeting

going to have wait for the rerun.

[IndyOp]

5. Me too. Hope lots of clips are up by the time I get back. On edit:

This is going to be long! I will be able to catch some of the second hour... Does this mean that the first 1/2 hour of "Countdown" will be part of the debate?

6 p.m.–7:30 p.m.—Presidential forum
Broadcast LIVE on MSNBC and XM Radio
Host: Keith Olbermann

7:30 p.m.–8 p.m.—Live broadcast of "Countdown with Keith Olbermann"

[Nite Owl]

6. My meeting may be long

county dem committee, we are voting on impeachment. Can't miss this meeting.

[IndyOp]

7. Ooooh, come back and tell me how it went!

I was off to a MoveOn.org meeting - organizing two events this month to PUSH our Representative to do whatever is necessary to end the occupation - cut off funds - whatever is necessary.

I ran into a few old friends - one of whom has managed to get a small group meeting with the Rep that will include just 6 citizens and the Rep and staffers. The citizens include several Iraqi Americans, a foreign policy expert, a local minister, and the truly progressive candidate who ran against him during the primary in 2006 - she has promised to run against him again if he does not do right in September.

I haven't brought up the topic of impeachment with anyone locally - I don't think we have much of a chance of getting our Blue Dog Rep to push for impeachment. He lost his seat to a loyal Bushie Republican candidate in 2004 and even though he got the seat back in 2006 he is going to be running against the same loyal Bushie in 2008 and is afraid of an anti-impeachment backlash from conservative dems.

[Nite Owl]

8. It was just awful

Our Blue Dog rep talked to the county chair and asked him to cancel the vote. It could get out to the press and she might have to actually say she was or wasn't for it. The leadership in Congress has said no to impeachment and she doesn't want to go against them. There was a rather heated debate. I think if there was a vote it might have passed. Same stuff from those against it: we don't have the votes in Congress, it would take too much time...
We are the largest county in her district and that wouldn't look good ya know! I've so had it, I'm so fed up. It's all the politics not the Constitution. What have we become.

[IndyOp]

9. We've become over cautious, comfortable fitting into an authoritarian structures...

blah, blah, blah, :puke:, :puke:, :puke:

Was this the first attempt?
How many people really wanted this vote to happen?
Could you form a coalition within your county party and push for it to happen in future?

Never Give Up.

It is interesting that your Blue Dog recognizes that the resolution *might* have passed and was worried about it. If she had had no one contacting her office saying that they wanted impeachment, then she could've just assumed that it would get votes of very few people and she never would have contacted your County chair.

In other words - this shows that your county *is* making progress letting her know what you want. Now we just have to turn up the volume.

You've encouraged me to bring this up with my Rep, I was debating whether to bring up Iraq or impeachment at the upcoming "Women's Issues" luncheon - I think I will bring up both. I will have to work on making it brief and demanding.

:hug:

[Nite Owl]

10. Yes, it was the first attempt

I think it might have passed. I don't think she had the right to interfere. If it was want the county dems voted for so be it, we are the ones who put her in office, she needs to listen to us not the DC dems. Registration is 2/1 red but most of the Republicans here are registered R because their parents were etc. They are more libertarian than real right wingers. The old Rockerfeller republican types, * is at 23% in NY and it is just about that low upstate, it isn't all NYC. One of her arguments was it would take too much time yet she asked us to wait. She said that their is probably the votes in Congress to impeach Cheney and Gonzoles but not *.

[IndyOp]

11. She thought there were enough votes to impeach Cheney?

That is news to me. I've heard others say they thought they would have the votes to impeach Gonzales, but this is the first admission I've seen that they thought they had the votes to impeach the Big Dick.

Who is your Blue Dog? I might drop her name to my Blue Dog -- that she said she there were enough votes to impeach Gonzales and Cheney -- Baron Hill (Indiana, 9th)...

You are right that she should not have interfered.

And your Chair should've ignored her interference.

And there should've been a loud enough, large enough contingent among the members of your County party to override the Chair's bad decision - to push on the Chair harder than the Blue Dog pushed so that the Chair would have allowed the vote.

The first attempt didn't fly. You can still try again...

[Nite Owl]

12. I think there could have been enough votes

at the meeting (or at least we were the ones who spoke the loudest).

http://www.kirstengillibrand.com/Main

She is good on most votes but the chair admitted it was the money. The DCCC gave her a rather large donation near the election and she feels obligated to them. He defiitely said that there were probablly enough votes for Gonzoles and Cheney but not *.

[IndyOp]

13. The "chair said" or the "chair said Gillibrand said" there were probably

enough vote for Gonzales and Cheney...

Just double-checking.

Really interesting note about the DCCC -- this is why I should *never* give to the DCCC or DSCC again - it makes the people who get that money beholden to the leadership instead of to citizens. In 2006 I was so desperate for Dems to win I was giving to just about every group that asked.

:(

This explains why the Leadership doesn't want public financing of elections, huh?

[Nite Owl]

14. The chair said that

Gillibrand said. I was surprised too.

Yet even with this feeling in Congress they let them get away with so much, that is puzzling.

I never give to the DCCC or the DSCC. Schumer is head of the DSCC and he was so against Lamont in their primary. Never did really back him which helped Leiberman to win.
The money that they get ensures good little soldiers it seems. I was surprised it was actually admitted to about the money. I do see the other side, what we had was soooo bad, a real bushbot and sleezebag but this goes deeper on this issue it's not about party it's about our country at the core.

[Ian David]

4. but afterward, they're gonna let Tweety shit all over it.

Fair enough! EeEEehhhh!!!